I think we may need to save the Treasures series

[Big Disney Fan]

Now, this is probably a far-fetched rumor, but maybe they're going to release the series on Blu-Ray. We all know about how obsessed Disney is (and how they want their fans to be obsessed with it, too) about Blu-Ray. Think of it. They can release several older prints this way and create some new ones as well.

[mdnitoil]

Now, this is probably a far-fetched rumor, but maybe they're going to release the series on Blu-Ray. We all know about how obsessed Disney is (and how they want their fans to be obsessed with it, too) about Blu-Ray. Think of it. They can release several older prints this way and create some new ones as well.

I in no way mean this to come off as disparaging, but there is almost no chance of this happening any time soon. Much as BR folks may want it to happen, there just isn't a big enough market to cost justify this.

[Big Disney Fan]

Now, this is probably a far-fetched rumor, but maybe they're going to release the series on Blu-Ray. We all know about how obsessed Disney is (and how they want their fans to be obsessed with it, too) about Blu-Ray. Think of it. They can release several older prints this way and create some new ones as well.

I in no way mean this to come off as disparaging, but there is almost no chance of this happening any time soon. Much as BR folks may want it to happen, there just isn't a big enough market to cost justify this.

That must be the reason then that the Treasures is more or less gone. That, and they've pretty much run out of Disney cartoon shorts serieses to include. General serieses, that is (Mickey, Donald, etc.).

[merlinjones]

>>That, and they've pretty much run out of Disney cartoon shorts serieses to include.<<

Not true. Still plenty of Mickey and Donald and Goofy TV animation left undocumented, let alone Jiminy Cricket, Ludwig VonDrake, Ranger Woodlore Chip an Dale and many animated odds and ends, shows, featurettes and shorts from the classic Walt Disney era (and no, these are not just bumpers - - shows like "An Adventure in Color" and "Carnival Time" are almost entirely original animation).

[jediliz]

Blu Ray can hold more materiel and they'd be able to get what took up two discs onto one, probably.

I'd be willing to invest in Blu Ray versions since I never got to buy them the 1st time on DVD.

[The_Iceflash]

Blu Ray can hold more materiel and they'd be able to get what took up two discs onto one, probably.

Only if they keep the sizes what they are. If they make HD transfers it would take up the extra space.

[Big Disney Fan]

Blu Ray can hold more materiel and they'd be able to get what took up two discs onto one, probably.

Only if they keep the sizes what they are. If they make HD transfers it would take up the extra space.

I don't know what the big deal is with HD, anyway.

[Heil Donald Duck]

>>That, and they've pretty much run out of Disney cartoon shorts serieses to include.<<

Not true. Still plenty of Mickey and Donald and Goofy TV animation left undocumented, let alone Jiminy Cricket, Ludwig Von Drake, Ranger Woodlore Chip an Dale and many animated odds and ends, shows, featurettes and shorts from the classic Walt Disney era (and no, these are not just bumpers - - shows like "An Adventure in Color" and "Carnival Time" are almost entirely original animation).

I think he is meaning animated Theatrical material. And It wasn't convincing when last year (wave 9) didn't have any animated (theatrical) material. But I can see were you are coming from with the TV stuff. I hope didn't anger you with relier comment on the TV stuff as i was pissed since some people don't want Disney to revisit relier seats and give us even better presentation of those wonderful shorts than they have already done (i.e correcting flawns that are still there). But I see it as important to release those TV material as well. But This is the approach I want them to take cut them down and give us only the new bridge material don't relay on the original theatrical shorts. For example I personally thought Day in Life of Donald Duck was excellent candidate for such treatment. As I feelt I could do without seeing those shorts included there in black and white as they didn't make or brake the main storyline of the episode. But I rember that I once saw Inside Donald Duck (Von Drake) on VHS ween I was kid and I can agree that episode would be ruined if the theatrical material would be removed.

Lets re-check what is left in the theatrical field alone.
Silent era:
1. Laugh-O-grams (do Disney have surviving material in there archive?)
2. Alice (do Disney still have have surviving shorts that they haven't released in there archive already?)
3. Oswald (all still unreleased shorts are lost and if they survive somewhere they are probably somewhere deep in Universal is vault. and Im not sure if the trade deal was that Universal would send Disney those remeing films if they are found.)

Golden era:
4. 3 Solo Chip 'n Dales (should have been bonus on Donald vol 4,instead of MouseWorks cartoons).
5. 2 Donalds from the 1965 (educational and no theatrical release is possibility but I have seen no evidence that confirms that on or off)
6 2 Goofys from the 1965 (educational and no theatrical release is possibility but I have seen no evidence that confirms that on or off)
7. Scrooge McDuck and Money
8. 3 other One shots (one of them might actually be educational)
9. Possible other commericals, educationals and wartime shorts (Im not sure how many they are and they might and might not have got theatrical I have only count 20 such possible release)

Post Walt:
10. 2 Goofy cartoons
11. 10-15 One-shot cartoons (I exlude all compaltion short since far as I know they didn't include anything new. and some of those might be form those unmade Fantasia 2006)
12. Winnie The Pooh ( some might argue that the 1977 feature film is enough (not sure if there is a diffrence between the original shorts and the 1977), also the 1983 short was not made by Disney, and 1981 short might have been used for educational use rather than theatrical release)
13. Roger Rabbit (those shorts are all to be found on Roger Rabbit feature DVD so many might argue against inclusion of those and mater of fact the this rabbit was not invented until 22 years after Walt's death).

I think I have covered the theatrical field, Apart from features. I will only say this if Disney can figure out to have the package feature 100% uncut in general release then there is no reason to release them in side of WDT line. There also animated bits by Disney in none Disney live-action features so who owns that material I don't know it could be Disney as supplier of those material or it could be the current owners of those features

[Heil Donald Duck]

Blu Ray can hold more materiel and they'd be able to get what took up two discs onto one, probably.

I'd be willing to invest in Blu Ray versions since I never got to buy them the 1st time on DVD.

And don't forget Wave 1 was released in 2001. The same year as Snow White was first time on DVD so they are probably bound to revisit the earliest wave at some point.

[Elladorine]

Blu Ray can hold more materiel and they'd be able to get what took up two discs onto one, probably.

I'd be willing to invest in Blu Ray versions since I never got to buy them the 1st time on DVD.

And don't forget Wave 1 was released in 2001. The same year as Snow White was first time on DVD so they are probably bound to revisit the earliest wave at some point.

That would be great, especially when you consider how they were released in such limited quantities.

[Heil Donald Duck]

And don't forget Wave 1 was released in 2001. The same year as Snow White was first time on DVD so they are probably bound to revisit the earliest wave at some point.

That would be great, especially when you consider how they were released in such limited quantities.

They could easily have had limited run of the tins and then sold tinless treasures. For me the tin doesn't matter it is the stuff that is inside. that matter. And those material are that good that they should have more public exposure than limited run.

[merlinjones]

Just give us some Ludwig!

[Big Disney Fan]

Not true. Still plenty of Mickey and Donald and Goofy TV animation left undocumented, let alone Jiminy Cricket, Ludwig VonDrake, Ranger Woodlore Chip an Dale and many animated odds and ends, shows, featurettes and shorts from the classic Walt Disney era (and no, these are not just bumpers - - shows like "An Adventure in Color" and "Carnival Time" are almost entirely original animation).

I meant the theatrical shorts serieses are more or less complete. Well, more complete than not.

[merlinjones]

There was an interesting post over at Shout Factory's site from one of the producers (Brian Ward) of the upcoming "Leave it to Beaver" DVD box set in response to an inquiry about Blu-Ray. Shout Factory specializes in classic TV programs for DVD release, so they know the market for vintage material - - licensing this particular series from Universal for release (Universal stopped after the second season). Here was his recent comment on "Beaver" for Blu-Ray:

>>As for the question regarding Blu-ray, the costs are just too prohibitive (3-4 times higher than DVD). Blu-rays are still an underwhelming minority in the marketplace. Between that and the market research that indicates the older audiences we expect to purchase the majority of the Leave It To Beaver sets haven't "graduated" to Blu-ray, we've decided against a Blu-ray release. Certainly not for a good long while, anyway. So I wouldn't hold off for an announcement. I don't think it's coming anytime soon. Hope that helps.<<

http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/2695/thread.aspx

No doubt "Beaver's" numbers are way lower than any Walt Disney library release because Walt has such an ardent and active pool of fans and film buffs at the ready, but this is likely the case for why Blu-Ray "Treasures" are way off in the future - - the format is not yet wide enough for the studios to tackle the majority of vintage material.

But this is certainly not the case for the highly saturated DVD market, especially with Disney animation titles. I would therefore deduce that our only hope to see more of Walt's work any time soon is to encourage the rights holders to engage in further exploitation of the Walt Disney library on DVD - - especially with the Walt Disney Treasures - - or perhaps license the works to specialty companies.

[Big Disney Fan]

But this is certainly not the case for the highly saturated DVD market, especially with Disney animation titles. I would therefore deduce that our only hope to see more of Walt's work any time soon is to encourage the rights holders to engage in further exploitation of the Walt Disney library on DVD - - especially with the Walt Disney Treasures - - or perhaps license the works to specialty companies.

Or maybe have us serious fans get into the company itself and run it and make all the decisions there, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, either.

[merlinjones]

What's important is that the brand doesn't abandon Walt.

[Big Disney Fan]

What's important is that the brand doesn't abandon Walt.

How so?

[merlinjones]

>>How so?<<

We need the classics, the art, the optimism, the ideas, the idealism, the laughter now more than ever.


>>They could easily have had limited run of the tins and then sold tinless treasures. For me the tin doesn't matter it is the stuff that is inside. that matter. And those material are that good that they should have more public exposure than limited run.<<

Good points!

[Big Disney Fan]

We need the classics, the art, the optimism, the ideas, the idealism, the laughter now more than ever.

Yeah, we do, emphasis on "we". Yet the people at Disney are interested only in fickle people's current interests! As Walt said, "I hope we never lose sight of the past." Yet that is what this company seems to be doing, and the public is only following along.

Just like Mickey in the 1930s, Walt's name appears to become just one of those logo names and nothing more. A corporate name, if you get what I mean.

[WDWLocal]

Yeah, we do, emphasis on "we". Yet the people at Disney are interested only in fickle people's current interests! As Walt said, "I hope we never lose sight of the past." Yet that is what this company seems to be doing, and the public is only following along.

Just like Mickey in the 1930s, Walt's name appears to become just one of those logo names and nothing more. A corporate name, if you get what I mean.

(beep, beep, beep, beep) Not true. Not true. Not true. Not true. (beep, beep, beep, beep)