Disney hate

[Disney-Fan]

I've been to only one of the new theme parks (Disney Studios at Disneyland Paris) and found it enjoyable

I thought the same thing! It's definetely not Disney standards but it was fun! With a bit more theming and lots of new rides this place could become great! Luckily, they've started construction on Tower of Terror and Toon Lot (with a Finding Nemo dark ride)!

[Wonderlicious]

I thought the same thing! It's definetely not Disney standards but it was fun! With a bit more theming and lots of new rides this place could become great! Luckily, they've started construction on Tower of Terror and Toon Lot (with a Finding Nemo dark ride)!

Where did you find this out? Anyway, that sounds quite interesting, in my opinion. Hopefully they'll also add Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin (a WFRR dark ride) to the Toon Lot, which from the title, is going to be similar to Mickey's Toon Town?

[Disney-Fan]

Where did you find this out? Anyway, that sounds quite interesting, in my opinion. Hopefully they'll also add Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin (a WFRR dark ride) to the Toon Lot, which from the title, is going to be similar to Mickey's Toon Town?

Well it was officialy announced as a part of the resort reconstruction plan. Roger Rabbit won't be this time around (because of the whole issue with Eisner/Spielberg), this is a sort of "Pixarland". It will have a Cars themed ride, a Nemo spinning dark ride and one more ride I seem to be forgetting. And the idea is that if ToonTown is where Toons live, Toon Lot is their working place!

[Sunset Girl]

Funny thread, to answer it, i'm not that kind of fan who can lower its expectetions just because it is Disney, i'm sure fi it was Dreamworks or others companies that would have released movies like Cidnerella2 or Tarzan2, then ALL OF THE DISNEY SEQUELS LOVERS here would scream that they are craps!

Have you even seen Tarzan II yet or are you basing your opinions soley on UD's review? I actually enjoyed it.

[Lazario]

I know this sounds like serious meddling, but could someone please change the title of this post/topic to something more like Disney Sequel Hate, or something. Because I clicked on this thinking it was something totally different than what it ended up being.

And I have nothing to say about the Disney sequel factory other than, why should they make sequels to movies made 30-40-50 plus years ago? No one who really admired or cared about the original thinks it's a good idea. No one who were to work on a project like this (a sequel) can really strike a great, compelling continuation of the story based on the original characters. Because only the original writers and artists understand the story they were telling. This really is a fad that should have been limited to fan fiction.

[bradhig]

no one complained about the Aladdin or TLM sequels.

[Siren]

no one complained about the Aladdin or TLM sequels.

You haven't been here nearly enough to hear those complaints. Many for both.

[Lazario]

I loved the Return of Jafar when I saw it. It may not have had the same Genie, but Iago was very much a main character this time. And I have to admit, I really liked Iago's change to good. But I don't think this sort of sequel is anything like the other movies and their endless sequels. Because the Aladdin sequel came right after the original. But it also reunited most of it's cast for the voices (right?). I haven't seen King of Thieves yet, but I want to soon.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Well since I've got nothing better to do I'm going to write mini-reviews for each movie and rate them:

Return of Jafar-0/10 I'm probably one of the few that hated this! Not only did Robin Williams not return but the animation was awful, the characters were pale imitations from the original movie. Plus I really hated the songs. The lyrics were written so poorly and they were just unbearable to hear! Plus it was the one that gave us the cheapquels for 12 years now!

King of Thevies-2/10 This is slightly better than ROJ but that's mainly because of Robin Williams returning! and funnier jokes. But the story was pretty bad and the animation was just burning my eyes! Same thing with the songs except they were burning my ears! Not to mention the AWFUL dialouge, but het it's a Disney sequel!

Simba's Pride-6/10 This movie is slightly above averege. Though this movie does try, it still didn't pull it off for me! And I'm a HUGE Lion King fan(after all my name is Timon/Pumbaa fan). The biggest thing I didn't like was how unbelievable it was. I just couldn't believe that there were another pack of lions. I would've just perfered if the hyenas returned as the villians. The romance was more interesting than most DTV's but nothing compared to Simba and Nala. But the thing I liked the most was the return of the characters. I especially liked seeing Timon and Pumbaa again! . And the songs were bearable. Overall it's alright.

Lion King 1 1/2- 9/10 Though my rating is a bit high, I really love this movie! Maybe it's just because I really love the comedy from Timon and Pumbaa, but I just really enjoyed it! The only complaint I have is that it's not really rewatchable. See it a few times, it starts getting old! But aside from that I like this movie! I just loved seeing all the things coming from Timon and Pumbaa's view. Sure there were some flaws, but hey it's what they saw in the story(some of it was probably bolony but hey it's Timon and Pumbaa! ). I also like the songs and animation which were superior compared to the other DTV sequels. In fact it was the best I've seen yet!

[DDMAN26]

"I do not like to repeat successes, I like to go on to other things."

Walt Disney

I think that quote there is a reason why people don't like the sequels that have been put out.

[Isidour]

well, not all sequels are good and you can always do a fan fiction.

[Lazario]

You know, we could very well take a look at all these really bad sequels and say it's because of them that the standard of Disney's big theatrical releases is so high. They get all the garbage out on straight-to-video, so that when they work on the big projects, they are much more focused on quality than on the quikkie sequels.

[Disney-Fan]

no one complained about the Aladdin or TLM sequels.

Then let me be the first for you. The Little Mermaid II is a big pile of cr*p and nothing more. It reprised everything exactly like the original movie, only did it in a much inferior manner. And don't even get me started on The Return of Jafar. It was so cheese I felt like puking. The second sequel was MUCH better.

They get all the garbage out on straight-to-video, so that when they work on the big projects, they are much more focused on quality than on the quikkie sequels.

So how come that almost every movie that has been released these past years has flopped? Maybe these movies satisfied us fans, but they don't satisfy the general public's high standards... Don't get me wrong though, I love most of the 2000 films.

[Lazario]

So how come that almost every movie that has been released these past years has flopped? Maybe these movies satisfied us fans, but they don't satisfy the general public's high standards... Don't get me wrong though, I love most of the 2000 films.

Are you talking about Home On the Range, Brother Bear, and Treasure Planet? Because I know Lilo & Stitch is it's own freakin' institution now. Isn't there a sequel out or in the works? And that apart from the TV series and the upcoming special edition DVD... But it could be in part due to the DreamWorks boom. They just seem to spend and be able to spend more money than Disney at the current moment.

[2099net]

So how come that almost every movie that has been released these past years has flopped? Maybe these movies satisfied us fans, but they don't satisfy the general public's high standards... Don't get me wrong though, I love most of the 2000 films.

Are you talking about Home On the Range, Brother Bear, and Treasure Planet? Because I know Lilo & Stitch is it's own freakin' institution now. Isn't there a sequel out or in the works? And that apart from the TV series and the upcoming special edition DVD... But it could be in part due to the DreamWorks boom. They just seem to spend and be able to spend more money than Disney at the current moment.

Yes, but given all the Disney Hatin', having a TV Series, a quasi-sequel DTV as well as a proper-sequel DTV is just Disney "cashing in" on the Lilo and Stitch "franchise".

I've never understood why people have so much hate for Disney. Why do people hold Disney above all other studios? Disney's "explotation" of characters is actually quite mild compared to others. A DTV sequel here and there isn't going to bring the whole building toppling down brick by brick.

In fact, my only complaint about Disney is their non-ending Princess merchandise. But it obviously sells. So people obviously want it. Nobody can complain about being given what they want, I suppose.

All I hear is the often quoted Disney/Sequels line. Well, wake up people. Walt lived and died in a different age. Entertainment was simpler and less competetive then. They followed Walt's rules and almost got taken over by other companies. Now Disney is a mega-corperation.

Releasing a limited number of films a year (say 8, 1 animated and 7 live action) will not keep the Disney banner flying for long. Pixar manage it with 1 film per year, but Pixar is a small company with only one building of employees. Disney has thousands upon thousands of employees worldwide.

Despite this, Disney has been the best in its treatment of classic characters.

Yes, you may not like the sequels. But does any of them treat the characters as bad as Warner's Batman and Robin treated Batman? Does any of them feature pointless redesigns like Loonatiks (yes, I know these have been changed now). Do any of them make cruel jokes about the characters, or totally reinvent them, like the first Scooby Doo motion picture did?

Disney is not perfect. But Disney is doing it's best to keep afloat in a competetive sector, When Walt was alive the only entertainment options were reading, watching television (with limited channels), going to see a movie or playing sport/playing out.

Today we have reading, television (including cable/digital), film theaters, home video, computer/video games, the internet, cell phones (yes, lots of kids would rather spend their money on calls and texts as entertainment) and sport (which is much more fashion concious these days). All of these activities are after your dollar.

[Lazario]

I still think this topic should be changed to Disney sequel hate. I've never held their sequels against Disney. In fact, I never held my dislike of The Lion King or The Fox and the Hound against Disney either. Disney managed to make many more great films after Walt died. And though I don't think they'll ever score another amazing classic, or even anything as great as The Little Mermaid or Aladdin, they do now what they've always done. Although the success of Little Mermaid gave the studio success they had not had since 1960's. And of course one could go on forever critisizing them for the current situation affecting their home video practices.

I actually don't get the point of this thread again. We're talking about someone else's dislike for Disney? Or the sequels? How can we understand people who would hate Disney just because every sequel since Rescuers Down Under have been really bad? Some people just don't have that ability to connect with the child inside them.

[Kenai]

One of my friends is really into Tori Amos, for example. Many people at one of her message boards have fallen in love with some of her music, but are highly critical of anything new that she puts out that might have a different flavor, leading my friend to almost feel guilty for liking her new material.

O_O I love Tori Amos. Scarlet's Walk was a brilliant album.

Anyway back on topic, yeah, it does get rather depressing seeing some of the anti-Disney peeps on the net, in fact, one of my main pet peeves is when someone always claims Pixar's always been the lead innovator in movies and Disney's never put out anything good. That really pisses me off. All American audiences these days know Pixar's movies and bother too watch them more than Disney's stuff (I myself don't find none of them with the magic Dsney movies have given me). Movies like Brother Bear and Lilo and Stitch are what set the originality momentum for me, good wholesome stories that you can cherish. Hits as they both were (Brother Bear grossed over 160 million overseas alone and Lilo was a big hit here on the homefront), they weren't given a chance by the audiences here to fully develop into something better, while everyone rushes to Pixar's stuff right away knowing it'll be good. Part of my anger over Disney ending 2-D is because (well, at least America) won't give their 2-D stuff a chance any more, good or bad. And while I'm starting to hype over Chicken Little, I think it would've been even better in 2-D.

As for the sequels thing, I'm not a fan of them either, but there have been reallly good ones that have been getting good reviews as of late, Tarzan 2, LK 1 1/2..even L&S2 looks good.

Sorry if my jabbering didn't make sense, just had to be said.

[Lazario]

I'm also a Tori Amos fan.

[Sunset Girl]

I'm also a Tori Amos fan.

Rock on. I am too; I'm really enjoying her latest album, especially her duet with Damian Rice.

I'm just not nearly as into her as the friend who introduced me to her music.

[bradhig]

As for TLM 2 I would loved to have seen Aeril swiming in that blue dress rather then get changed back into a mermiad.