Pegan or non-christian/muslim/jewish Beliefs

[STASHONE]

Im Jewish... thats got nothing to do with my "beliefs".

Religion is stupid imo. I dont want to have this controversial discussion though.

Not sure why I even posted that...

[poco]

It was a few years ago when Southern Baptists banned Mickey (theme park based ban). I don't remember the exact reasons, so give me some time to e-mail my friend and find out why. I remember a few years ago we dressed up in mickey ears for halloween and said that we were SOuthern Baptist traitors. Of course, they think Harry Potter is the spawn of the Devil and if you are any other denominaton or religion you are going to hell. Scary! They, in fact, kicked me out because I felt God calling me to the ministry. That scared them so bad because I wasn't the right gender.

PLEASE note that I am speaking about a few individuals that are SOuthern Baptist. I'm writing a disclaimer because NOT all Southern Baptists believe the above (the powers that be do....not the little indians)

It might be a couple of days before I find out the reason for the mickey ban though.

[Maerj]

It was a few years ago when Southern Baptists banned Mickey (theme park based ban). I don't remember the exact reasons, so give me some time to e-mail my friend and find out why. I remember a few years ago we dressed up in mickey ears for halloween and said that we were SOuthern Baptist traitors. Of course, they think Harry Potter is the spawn of the Devil and if you are any other denominaton or religion you are going to hell. Scary! They, in fact, kicked me out because I felt God calling me to the ministry. That scared them so bad because I wasn't the right gender.

PLEASE note that I am speaking about a few individuals that are SOuthern Baptist. I'm writing a disclaimer because NOT all Southern Baptists believe the above (the powers that be do....not the little indians)

It might be a couple of days before I find out the reason for the mickey ban though.

I would say that it is because of the unofficial Gay Days at WDW. They stand outside the gates and protest it every year I heard.

[Prince Phillip]

I would say that it is because of the unofficial Gay Days at WDW. They stand outside the gates and protest it every year I heard.

The what?!?

[Choco Bear]

Actually, you prove the opposite of what you are trying to say. First of all, the Koran says that you will be saved if "Allah so wills." The Bible says that Jesus will save you if you ask him to.

Second, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are complete opposites.

where r u gettin info from and its not like im bad mouthin ur religion but ur bad mouthin mine when u really dont hardly know ne thing about it also mohamed didnt use christianity as a tool he got his info from god u may not believe it and u dont have to but he didnt have ne education of christianity before that cuz he coulknt read ur being very prejudace to other religions not just mine i think u shpould learn more about islam before u say nething like what uve said when really u know poo ,u can have pride in ur religion but so do i :)also i know that mickey mouse and bugs bunny are differnt but god and allah rnt cuz there the exact same thing

PS prince phillip i know what u meant by "newest" sorry if i didnt get it before and sounded mean towards ur comment

[Prince Phillip]

That's OK Choco Bear

I still want to know more about what Maerj was talking about...

[Maerj]

That's OK Choco Bear

I still want to know more about what Maerj was talking about...

Okay. On the first weekend in June every year there is an unofficial Gay Day down at Walt Disney World and some of the other surrounding theme parks, but mainly at WDW. Now Disney does not official endorse this, but they don't exactly discourage it either as they get A LOT of people there each day for it.

Now, there are a bunch of religious people who come out to protest it every year because they don't like gays. In fact, this year they tried to get a court order to fly over the parks with lil planes with banners behind them. The court didn't let them do it as people aren't allowed to fly over the parks now thanks to the terrorist stuff.

[Prince Phillip]

interesting... I don't see why those religious people can't just leave them alone...

I must have met some Southern Baptists, because they told me that Harry Potter was the pawn of the devil ,and that the people who read his books would burn in hell... That is why I was originally surprised that you liked it Poco, I thought that just all religious people felt that way... My grandfather, who is a jehova's witness and strictly religious, said he saw the movie, which really surprised me, and he thought it was cute, but still feels that technically Harry is evil because he practices black magic.

COME ON people! He studies defense AGAINST the dark arts, and besides which he is a fictional character is a hermaless book series, that if anything, speaks against evilness...

Anyway Poco, glad you like it

see he doesn't look bad...

[Maerj]

interesting... I don't see why those religious people can't just leave them alone...

In the Bible somewhere it mentions that gays are an abomination to God, so they believe that its evil.

[Porce]

interesting... I don't see why those religious people can't just leave them alone...

In the Bible somewhere it mentions that gays are an abomination to God, so they believe that its evil.

Well the Bible says homesexuality is a sin, but these people are obviously taking the condemnation too far

[2099net]

interesting... I don't see why those religious people can't just leave them alone...

In the Bible somewhere it mentions that gays are an abomination to God, so they believe that its evil.

But like so many things in the bible it's debatable how much of this was in the original writings and how much was put in in the King James' version of the bible.

Talking about Harry Potter - the famous "thou shall not suffer a witch to live" was put into the bible on the demand of King James who was - let's say, somewhat paranoid about witches.

http://www.hollowhill.com/fun/halloween/witch-bible.htm (there's lots of other examples on the web, if you feel like discrediting this and I first heard of this on a BBC documentary)

so really the Southern Baptists are protesting Harry Potter due to the whims of an ancient British king.

That's why I don't care much for religion - the original teachings are/can be twisted anyway just to support any single persons personal views.

But obviously the basic teachings of religion are good, sound ways of living a life, so I don't look down on anybody who has moderate religious beliefs.

[Sulley]

It's so funny how many people ban Harry Potter books and can't get far enough away from them while they and their kids throughly enjoy The Wizard of Oz, which deals, like the Potter saga, with good witches, and bad witches.

[Disneykid]

Talking about Harry Potter - the famous "thou shall not suffer a witch to live" was put into the bible on the demand of King James who was - let's say, somewhat paranoid about witches.

http://www.hollowhill.com/fun/halloween/witch-bible.htm (there's lots of other examples on the web, if you feel like discrediting this and I first heard of this on a BBC documentary)

so really the Southern Baptists are protesting Harry Potter due to the whims of an ancient British king.

I find that interesting because the King James isn't the only version of the Bible out there. The New Internation Version (NIV) was translated into English directly from the Hebrew scrolls, and that version, too, also mentions witchcraft. Odd.

BTW, I wrote an entire research essay about why I believe HP not only is not evil, but actually PROMOTES Christianity. I'm very proud of it, and if you guys would like to read it, let me know and I'll post it (I still have it saved on my computer). This promotional paragraph has been brought to you by me.

[2099net]

http://www.templeofbast.com/WitchToLive.html includes the NIV of the bible.

^^^^ I'm aware of the URL, but you don't tend to get Christians questioning the Bible

According to the Hebrew, as backed up by a Hebrew dictionary, the phrase cited, Ex. 22:18, uses a negative context to refer to "one who uses herbs, dwelling/living among you" - i.e. you shall not allow someone who uses herbs in a negative manner, (poisoner), to dwell among you. Which is utterly unrelated to what the KJV says. If the original texts *meant* "witch" or "witchcraft", ("mekhashah" and "keeshoof"), then *why* did it NOT use the Hebrew terms for "witch" or "witchcraft" ?? Instead, the terms it used, being unrelated to "witch" or "witchcraft", were then *mistakenly* translated as "witch" and "witchcraft".

I've just done a quick Google search and there seems to be some intense arguments about the validity of various Bible texts and versions. And that's between the various Christian dominations!

All in all it just shows the folly of accepting everything written in the bible as being in simple black and white. Almost everything is grey and open to interpretation - and to live your life religiously - pardon the pun - over some text first written over 2000 years ago does seem strange.

To give some of the translators benefit of the doubt they could have translated the original to the best of their ability, but personal bais does colour translations intentional or not. The Bible directly contradicts itself in several places should you take the translations and their meanings literally (or so I've been told). And as for King James' version - it is a documented fact that he insisted on some changes for his own political or personal gain.

http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~dionisio/co ... tings.html

King James made sure his famous "translation" addressed a few items he found distasteful. For instance, he had a great fear of people who practiced magic, especially female practitioners. This prejudice was no doubt strengthened when three hired sorceresses tried to kill his brother.

I'm not anti-religion. As I said the world would be a much better place if everyone followed the basic techings of the various religions. But to become a "slave" to any religion seems... foolish to me. We just all need to get along.

[Prince Adam]

I am a Christian, and I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. I believe the words of the Bible, and that God will save you through His grace if you ask Him to. Over the past year, I've had my share of struggles with my faith-times when I was bored with it, times when I thought of giving it up, and times when I didn't know what to do. But then in May someone came into my life who inspired me how to become both a better Christian, and a better person in general.
But the one thing I hate is people who get into very heated religious debates. There's nothing wrong with discussing why we believe what we believe, but I don't like it when it gets to the point of "bashing" eachother religions. When it gets like that with my friends or peers, I usually try to have the attitude of "you believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe, let's just leave it at that." If a person is strong enough in their faith, and is happy with their religion, and they don't want to be converted to another, I think it's best to respect their wishes and leave them alone. I don't like the Christians who go around saying "If you don't believe in God, you'll go to Hell". I think that's wrong-it turns people away from Christianity. I prefer to let people know that God loves you no matter what, and he will "...never, never leave you nor forsake you.".
I think those Christians who protested Gay Days at Disney World have gone too far with condemnation-I would never say "God doesn't like you because you're gay". The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, and I believe that, but I hate the sin, not the person. We're all sinners, no matter what, and it is not our place to judge others.
I also don't like people who say Harry Potter is evil. I don't think there's been a single person who has turned to the occult because of HP, and I think if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Most people in our church (a Christian Reformed Church) don't think Harry Potter is harmful at all. My grandmother didn't think it was bad, and if she didn't, it must not be. Those people who condemn HP and those who read it are probably the same people who let their kids read Wizard of Oz, Lord of the Rings, and all those fairy tales that have good and bad witches and fairies.

Well, that's my opinion. It out there for anyone to agree with or dispute. I welcome any dissent, although I may not respond to it (I'm here to discuss Disney, after all !)

Hope you don't mind my opinion, and remember that's all it is-I don't want to get into any arguments !

And as Ariel said: "In harmony, harmony... you're you, I'm me: together we can live in harmony."
We all need to learn to live together, oblivious to race, creed, religion, and sexuality. Part of being your own person is having your own beliefs.

[indianajdp]

I don't like the Christians who go around saying "If you don't believe in God, you'll go to Hell". I think that's wrong-it turns people away from Christianity.

My sister-in-law and her family believe that all non-Catholics are going to Hell. Period. End of discussion. They also believe that only 144,000 people will ever get into Heaven. Ever...in the history of mankind. And guess what...she and her entire family are included in that number (in their minds).

It's that kind of arrogance and hypocrisy (judge not lest ye be judged) that makes some religions downright intolerable. And it's truly unfortunate that the truer meanings of His word are lost in abstract and twisted interpretations.

[Prince Adam]

I know-no offense to your sister-in-law, but a "holier-than-thou" attitude does little for you in this world, or the next.