The Emperor's New Groove Discussion
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The "grooviest" movies since Aladdin. I totally agree with this statement. It's so funny, and I don't get tired of watching it over and over again. Aladdin, pretty funny. The Emperor's New Groove, HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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One of Disney's funniest yet clever animated classics! A perfect entertainment the whole family will enjoy from time to time.
The Emperor's New Groove is one of my favorite animated classics. It's like Mulan and Aladdin. It's amusing, hilarious and filled with non-stop humor.
The characters are outrageously funny especially Yzma's sidekick Kronk!
One of the best voice talents in Disney history! Everyone will simply love it.
It's not successful in the box office but it deserves to be part of your collection!
The Emperor's New Groove is one of my favorite animated classics. It's like Mulan and Aladdin. It's amusing, hilarious and filled with non-stop humor.
The characters are outrageously funny especially Yzma's sidekick Kronk!
One of the best voice talents in Disney history! Everyone will simply love it.
It's not successful in the box office but it deserves to be part of your collection!
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I enjoy this movie immensely every time. Also, it's probably the only Disney animated feature (perhaps except Aladdin) that I can still get my teenage sons to watch with me. Nuff zed.
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I'm surprised that there's not already a big discussion thread for this film!
I've been geeking out over concept art from various films, but this website has a BUNCH of Kingdom of the Sun concept art!!!
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... ept%20Art/
I had already seen a few of these, but not the vast majority of them. As much as I enjoy The Emperor's New Groove, and I do, I find Kingdom of the Sun/Kingdom In the Sun to be more facinating (but then again, the production process always fascinates me more than the actual films).
As a lot of you probably already know, the story was going to be like "The Prince and the Pauper", and it's neat to see the concept art of the original Pacha and the Kuzco character. Again, I do very much enjoy the film, and maybe it's better that it ended up being a comedy, but just IMAGINE the epicness of the original idea. I'm often trying to find more info on the project. If only The Sweatbox could be released!!!!!
Can anybody make out what this poster says?
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... omfull.jpg
(I can only make out a little of it.)
If you look at some of the model sheets on this page, it says "New Kingdom": Were they just referring to how this version was the new version of Kingdom Of the Sun, or was the film at one point titled [/i]New Kingdom[/i]?
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... %20Sheets/
I've been geeking out over concept art from various films, but this website has a BUNCH of Kingdom of the Sun concept art!!!
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... ept%20Art/
I had already seen a few of these, but not the vast majority of them. As much as I enjoy The Emperor's New Groove, and I do, I find Kingdom of the Sun/Kingdom In the Sun to be more facinating (but then again, the production process always fascinates me more than the actual films).
As a lot of you probably already know, the story was going to be like "The Prince and the Pauper", and it's neat to see the concept art of the original Pacha and the Kuzco character. Again, I do very much enjoy the film, and maybe it's better that it ended up being a comedy, but just IMAGINE the epicness of the original idea. I'm often trying to find more info on the project. If only The Sweatbox could be released!!!!!
Can anybody make out what this poster says?
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... omfull.jpg
(I can only make out a little of it.)
If you look at some of the model sheets on this page, it says "New Kingdom": Were they just referring to how this version was the new version of Kingdom Of the Sun, or was the film at one point titled [/i]New Kingdom[/i]?
http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20F ... %20Sheets/
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There was a panel with the filmmakers of The Emperor's New Groove celebrating its 15th anniversary at the El Capitan a week ago. You can now watch the panel in full. It's really interesting; it's like a making-of for the film.
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Better than the Sweatbox? Cause that one was really interesting and elaborate.Sotiris wrote:There was a panel with the filmmakers of The Emperor's New Groove celebrating its 15th anniversary at the El Capitan a week ago. You can now watch the panel in full. It's really interesting; it's like a making-of for the film.
Either way, while I overall like "TENG" and thought it was a breath of fresh air. I was still looking forward to "Kingdom of the Sun", hence the premise sounded more intriguing. And also due to my interest of Incas. It's a pity they couldn't find ways to resolve that version. And it was a wasted opportunity with the soundtrack, since it was absent of Andean Music.
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Yeah, I agree. While I love the film we got I can't help but wonder what it could have been. Kingdom of the Sun had great potential. I still believe it could have been salvaged if the studio stuck with it long enough.DisneyFan09 wrote:Either way, while I overall like "TENG" and thought it was a breath of fresh air. I was still looking forward to "Kingdom of the Sun", hence the premise sounded more intriguing. And also due to my interest of Incas. It's a pity they couldn't find ways to resolve that version. And it was a wasted opportunity with the soundtrack, since it was absent of Andean Music.
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Ohhhhhhh my goodness, so excited to grab my sister and watch this panel. It's one of our favorite Disney movies!Sotiris wrote:There was a panel with the filmmakers of The Emperor's New Groove celebrating its 15th anniversary at the El Capitan a week ago. You can now watch the panel in full. It's really interesting; it's like a making-of for the film.
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The Emperor's New Groove
Couldn't find a discussion dedicated to the movie in general, so I created one instead.
Why wasn't the movie a bigger hit? Saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, and I think the problem is that the audience have no idea what they are looking at. Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast and Snow White obviously take place in some European country centuries ago. But what about The Emperor's New Groove? Well, it seems to have something to do with the incas, but other than that? We have no idea when this is supposed to be or what kind of world it is. The emperor wants water parks, has rollercoasters and Kronk's clothes also look suspiciously modern. Also, Pacha has a wagon, but incas didn't use wheels. Then there is the weird diner where they are served gigantic bugs, and later when the guards are transformed into weird creatures it turns into something from Looney Tunes.
(The backgrounds also seem a little minimalistic and stylistic at some places. But a little experimentation doesn't hurt. The next features, Atlantis and Lilo & Stitch, also used an art style which we normally don't associate with Disney, while Treasure Planet used almost as much CGI and traditional animation.)
That's the major problem the way I see it; people are not sure what they are looking at and because of that, it is hard to relate to the story. The same thing happened with Speed Racer, even if it isn't a Disney movie. A lot of people outside America and Japan had never heard about the cartoon when the live action movie was released. So they had absolutely no idea what they were looking at; is it the future, a parallel world, an alternate history or something else? What kind of world is it, why is racing so important? And so on. It would probably have worked better if they used some Star Wars inspired opening crawl (and to exclude the kid and his chimp).
Either way, the movie was not bad, even if it wasn't perfect either. But when you release a movie, the audience should always be able to tell what kind of world it is you are showing to them. If not, it leaves them confused, and as a result, it will probably have a negative impact on how it is received.
Why wasn't the movie a bigger hit? Saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, and I think the problem is that the audience have no idea what they are looking at. Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast and Snow White obviously take place in some European country centuries ago. But what about The Emperor's New Groove? Well, it seems to have something to do with the incas, but other than that? We have no idea when this is supposed to be or what kind of world it is. The emperor wants water parks, has rollercoasters and Kronk's clothes also look suspiciously modern. Also, Pacha has a wagon, but incas didn't use wheels. Then there is the weird diner where they are served gigantic bugs, and later when the guards are transformed into weird creatures it turns into something from Looney Tunes.
(The backgrounds also seem a little minimalistic and stylistic at some places. But a little experimentation doesn't hurt. The next features, Atlantis and Lilo & Stitch, also used an art style which we normally don't associate with Disney, while Treasure Planet used almost as much CGI and traditional animation.)
That's the major problem the way I see it; people are not sure what they are looking at and because of that, it is hard to relate to the story. The same thing happened with Speed Racer, even if it isn't a Disney movie. A lot of people outside America and Japan had never heard about the cartoon when the live action movie was released. So they had absolutely no idea what they were looking at; is it the future, a parallel world, an alternate history or something else? What kind of world is it, why is racing so important? And so on. It would probably have worked better if they used some Star Wars inspired opening crawl (and to exclude the kid and his chimp).
Either way, the movie was not bad, even if it wasn't perfect either. But when you release a movie, the audience should always be able to tell what kind of world it is you are showing to them. If not, it leaves them confused, and as a result, it will probably have a negative impact on how it is received.
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It's obviously set in the Incan empire, pre the Spanish conquista, but obviously given some funny elements here and there to make it work as a comedy. Anachronism Stew TVTropes calls it (i hate recalling that dumb site, but it's the closest thing I can call it).
Though I'm not surprised that the film initially didn't go good. Aside from the designs and backgrounds there's very little peruvian/incan culture thrown in (white american liberals will probably get angry at this, even if they think Peru is just an extension of Mexico), making Peruvians uninterested in the film, but as for the rest of the world...*shrug* Esp. since the mainstream seems to eat up like nuts any dumb wacky comedy that's thrown at their faces.
Though I'm not surprised that the film initially didn't go good. Aside from the designs and backgrounds there's very little peruvian/incan culture thrown in (white american liberals will probably get angry at this, even if they think Peru is just an extension of Mexico), making Peruvians uninterested in the film, but as for the rest of the world...*shrug* Esp. since the mainstream seems to eat up like nuts any dumb wacky comedy that's thrown at their faces.
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I think "Anachronism Stew" makes it a little too surreal, especially in a non-magical setting. Merlin in Sword in the Stone and Genie in Aladdin had some modern day references, but those specific scenes makes it a little easier to accept, especially in Aladdin. In Hercules, when he show us a modern action figure, is just seems out of place. In The Emperor's New Groove, it's an essential part of the plot since the emperor wants to build his water parks, which becomes important for his relationship with Pacha. And Kronk is wearing his hat and clothes all the time, not just in a funny chase scene.
Sleeping Beauty just wouldn't be the same if Maleficent relaxed after a long day by listening to radio.
Considering the next movie, Lilo & Stitch, made an effort to show some Hawaiian culture and had artists visiting the islands to find inspiration, it does sound weird that a movie about incas focus on mostly on design and little else. Sure, it's a little difficult to visit incan culture since it no longer exist, but it still feels like a strange product of its time.
Sleeping Beauty just wouldn't be the same if Maleficent relaxed after a long day by listening to radio.
Considering the next movie, Lilo & Stitch, made an effort to show some Hawaiian culture and had artists visiting the islands to find inspiration, it does sound weird that a movie about incas focus on mostly on design and little else. Sure, it's a little difficult to visit incan culture since it no longer exist, but it still feels like a strange product of its time.
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Don’t have time to write in length.
The anachronism in TENG is intentional and perfectly acceptable because it fits the narrative style of the film. It is useless to compare it to more “logical” examples of anachronism as in Aladdin or Sword in the Stone. It doesn’t need to make sense. You just have to accept it and enjoy it.
I agree that Maleficent would not look right listening to the radio. However keep in mind that Sleeping Beauty is an epic and dramatic film with a serious ambition to amaze. It also comes complete with matching Tchaikovsky music.
TENG is a farce. Stop taking it seriously. With a film like that you have the opportunity to run wild and not limit yourself in any way. So it takes place in the time of the Incas who didn’t use wheels but there’s a cart in the film. So what? So Kuzco wants to build a waterpark. Well, I believe him and I’m OK with it. This is not a documentary on Incan history. So the guards turn into Looney Tunes-style animals at the end. What’s the problem? This is not Pocahontas or Bambi.
I say the film would have failed creatively had it not taken advantage of these liberties. As it is I think it is a marvelous achievement especially when considering the behind-the-scenes hell and drama of the production.
Also I’m glad we got TENG and not Kingdom in the Sun. We didn’t need another epic and dramatic Lion King-style musical in 2000. God bless Mark Dindal.
The anachronism in TENG is intentional and perfectly acceptable because it fits the narrative style of the film. It is useless to compare it to more “logical” examples of anachronism as in Aladdin or Sword in the Stone. It doesn’t need to make sense. You just have to accept it and enjoy it.
I agree that Maleficent would not look right listening to the radio. However keep in mind that Sleeping Beauty is an epic and dramatic film with a serious ambition to amaze. It also comes complete with matching Tchaikovsky music.
TENG is a farce. Stop taking it seriously. With a film like that you have the opportunity to run wild and not limit yourself in any way. So it takes place in the time of the Incas who didn’t use wheels but there’s a cart in the film. So what? So Kuzco wants to build a waterpark. Well, I believe him and I’m OK with it. This is not a documentary on Incan history. So the guards turn into Looney Tunes-style animals at the end. What’s the problem? This is not Pocahontas or Bambi.
I say the film would have failed creatively had it not taken advantage of these liberties. As it is I think it is a marvelous achievement especially when considering the behind-the-scenes hell and drama of the production.
Also I’m glad we got TENG and not Kingdom in the Sun. We didn’t need another epic and dramatic Lion King-style musical in 2000. God bless Mark Dindal.