

A bus driver at Walt Disney World brought that up to me. He asked what was Cinderella's last name, and I just looked at him puzzled. At first I thought it would be a lame answer like "Charming," but he assured me that wasn't the case. I then asked, "Wait, you don't mean Tremaine, do you?" which happened to be what he was thinking.Disney Duster wrote:Anyway...I was thinking, if Lady Tremaine married Cinderella's father, wouldn't she take his last name, and keep that name even after he died? So does that mean Cinderella's father's last name was Tremaine, and Cinderella's last name is also Tremaine?!?!?!!!!
I've noticed that as well. It's one of the reasons I've often wondered if maybe the Fairy Godmother is supposed to be what Cinderella's mother would look like? I know it sounds ridiculus, but the story basically implies that her mother dies at her birth and she wouldn't have recognized her. And then the Fairy Godmother appears under the willow tree which the stories say is her mother's resting place. That's just something I've always assumed, as the Fairy Godmother is a heavenly presence.Disneykid wrote:
Something I find fascinating is that when this happens, where does Cinderella run to? The bench in front of the garden's willow tree. In the original Brothers Grimm version of the story, the spirit of Cindy's mother inhabited a willow tree and gave her what she needed to go to the ball. So not only is Disney referencing the original fairy tale, but they put a very subtle story aspect in there as part of the "Cindy's looking for love" plot thread. Just like the leaves in Pocahontas represent that character's mother, so does that tree represent Cinderella's.
To me, the dress ripping scene is a metaphor for when people destroy your hopes and dreams, and laugh as they do so.Disneykid wrote:Her big crying scene only comes as a response to the dress ripping scene. Even then, I don't think it was the fact that her stepsisters ripped that thing to shreds. After they back off, she just stands there dazed, looking at Tremaine. It's only when Tremaine gives her a smirk and an ironic remark that Cindy loses it, probably because she officially realizes that her stepmother will never love her.
I actually have a similar history with Cinderella, but when I first came to this forum I was still rather immature and only really cared for TLM. Over time, I think I've come to accept just about every movie the company's made, even if I still prefer some over others.pap64 wrote:Disney Duster: I honestly did not see "Cinderella" as the masterpiece it is till the 2005 DVD. I didn't care much for it during my childhood, but can't get enough of it as an adult.
The story is deceptfully (sp?) simple, yet when you analyze it you discover many deep and wonderful things.
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I think I recognized that, and I think Cinderella's the most realistic, or perhaps as you said, live-action-y, of the Disney fairy tales, at least in designs. I've thought of, and like to use, the term "industrial" when thinking of Cinderella's world. Maybe that's not the right word...?MagicMirror wrote:The studio instead made it a bit too live-action-y for my tastes in some parts.
Wah. Well, that's a lot like most other people's scores, it seems. Even though I currently see what seem to be a few imperfections, I would rate the film 10/10, because even masterpieces aren't perfect, and there's no such thing as a perfect film, at least a perfect film that's perfect for everyone. Though if the film should be perfect to me, I don't feel it is right now, but I can't think of any film that I loved every part of. Maybe there is, I dunno. Maybe I need a film all about Disney dust. LOL.MagicMirror wrote:In terms of a score, I'm not sure whether to give it a 7/10 or an 8/10, so I'll settle for 7.5/10.
Hmm...you make a great point about Cinderella's apparent happiness despite their situation.yukitora wrote:My sister recently became obsessed with Cinderella and became upset by the fact that there wasn't a Cinderella 4![]()
Although when I asked her if she liked the original or the first sequel better, she said the sequel. I guess it's understandable that the new generation prefers animation closer to Sunday cartoons than what was popular back in the 50s.
Anyhow I always liked the personality given to Cinderella in the film. In the opening scene alone when she doesn't want to wake up, but sees how everyone has gathered around, it's almost as if she puts on a happy facade on as not to disappoint them. And slowly throughout the morning, the support of all the animals changes this "facade" into genuine happiness, only for the human characters to bring her back to reality and remind her where she really is, up to the point where the break her and her whole spirit just collapses.
Of course it's wrong to say that after this point, I kinda lost interest, as in when the film suddenly goes uphill thanks to the fairygodmother, but I did. Although when I as rewatching it with my sister, I liked it a lot better.
I personally think she is by far the most antagonized character in any animated Disney film (given that I haven't seen any other lately). The key scene to this is what she says to Bruno as he dreams about eating Lucifer - to survive here, you need to adapt to your habitat. She's been so abused and misused, she's come to realize that the only way to survive is through not letting Lady Tremaine and her step sister's comments get to her. Only at the end of the film, she is able to break free of their hold on her life by going back on her initial ideals and outright defy her enemies.
I can see why a lot of people just see Cinderella looking happy, and seeing how good things happen to happen for her, and then theres a happy ending, but behind it all I'm starting to see a great psychologically battle out there.
Though Sleeping Beauty is still my favourite, in all its not-quite-as-deep-as-Cinderella-but-so-much-so-than-SnowWhite glory.
I suppose you could say that if I had listed reasons why they had depth (which wouldn't be for this thread), but you brought the subject up by saying other films didn't have the depth Cinderella has. Which I feel, isn't true, which is what I stated in my post. Also, I was mostly replying to pap64 anyway--my entire post didn't revolve around contradicting you.Disney's Divinity, well, this is not the thread to go comparing all the depth we find in all the films, and depth is subjective anyway, but I will say I feel the subtle depths in this film trump the "depths" the other films have. It would be nice to know all the depths you think they have in some thread. Glad you didn't include Aladdin, though if you read Film Freak's review you may change your mind.