is disney creating a perfect world????

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I actually think it's a little simpler than that.

Ultimately, Walt was an entertainer....he created Entertainment for all ages...kids and adults alike.

Now, people go to the movies or watch Television for many reasons. For Entertainment, to be informed, to forget about the every day drudge of life. There's more reasons than I have space to write about.

However, everything Disney has done has started with a germ of a story. Whether it be a story inspired by a book or such as Snow White and Mary Poppins or original ideas such as The Lion King or Atlantis and within these stories the characters will do things and have things happen to them. If the story is a good one we'll hopefully connect with them and understand what they did or what happened and feel something for them.

I guess I'm trying to say that I don't think Disney's style of entertainment has ever set out to portray a "perfect World". It is absurd to think that during the various stages of animation that this notion would even come up. The types of things that would come up would be
- Is the Story a good one?
- Does the story resolve itself
- Will people warm to the characters and feel for them?
- Is this Entertaining?
- Will people enjoy this?

So in short answer to your questions
Do you think disney is using only perfect characters for their animated movies?
Answer : No, many characters have had flaws which they have overcome as part of the stories ( Aladdin, Beast, Pinocchio ) but that's not to say that those very same characters wouldn't have other flaws and issues which are apparent in other situations.

Is disney trying to create a perfect world in their animated movies?
Answer : No, they are though trying to create stories which are meaningful, which entertain, and utimately like any business make money.

Do you think children (or you) get influenced by the idea of 'the perfect world of disney', through watching disney's animated movies?
Answer : No, that is way above the head of any child. I agree with DreamerQ18 that children can pick up a positive message but that message will always resound around what happened in that particular story to those particular characters. And as for adults they only have to watch the news to realise that life isn't always full of happy endings.

The notion that Disney may try to purport some kind of a "Perfect World" is incorrect however if the story being told resolves itself with a happy ending, as a great many of the movies do, is entertaining, and as Disney is want to hope for makes them loads of cash, then I'm sure that everyone from the story department, Animation teams, marketing, and money men would all be happy.

For us as consumers if we have spent our money and been entertained or received value for our cash, or learned something then I think the vast majority of us would be be pretty happy.

Feel free to comment on my thoughts anyone. Look forward to seeing your responses.
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2099net wrote:Lots of movies don't have happy endings. In some respects it's a shame that people do always expect and desire happy endings.

Moulin Rouge!, American Beauty, Titanic, Cast Away, Citizen Kane, Memento, Bridge on the River Kwai, Donnie Darko, Glory, the Sixth Sense. All are films without happy endings just dragged up from a quick glance at my DVD shelf (yes, I'm sorry to report we have Titanic).

Then there's films which have ambiguous endings, even recent blockbusters such as Spider-Man and X2 have these. You'd be hard pushed to call those endings happy.
Oh my goddness point proven right here the movies you are naming are not for children they are more for adult viewing and teenagers. Thats the point they are children movies. Could you imagine a child sitting down watching a movie where there is nothing but doom? Yes its the real world but the truth is that when a child is young the real world dosent exist. They have and live in thier own worlds they have thier own ideas and thier own perspectives they dont see the bad in everything and pick at things like adults do becasue they dont see it. They start to see as they grow up thats why its called growing up. Having a happy endning at the end of the movie in a childs eye just gives them them hope motivation that if they really want something they can accomplish it by being themselves, being kind to others, nbeing themselves thats what they pick up on. Now as they start to gorw up they will see that yes there is more to it. But why ruin it for them now let them think postive and be kids. They will learn in time it really isnt a bad thing.
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But it doesn't alter the fact that several of the original fairytales had unhappy endings. And they were written for children.
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2099net wrote:But it doesn't alter the fact that several of the original fairytales had unhappy endings. And they were written for children.
Your right it dosent but really with so much bad stuff happening in the world today everywhere dont you think that kids should at least be able to see a happy ending instead of the same bad karma? Casue thats the point I am trying to make don't rush them to getting there and seeing all thats bad let them get there and hold on to ambition a little longer.
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I think it's a bit unreasonable to think that Disney is "trying to create" a world of any kind at all. A product? yes. A profit? yes. A retreat? Arguably. But a world? No- neither realistic nor perfect, I just don't think it's part of their agenda.

I find it interesting that adults always overanalyze how children are affected by thematic elements, without much proof. All trendy psychobabble aside, generations of kids have grown up on these movies and are no worse for the wear. I think that if you are able to look at these things with a child's mentality (I keep mine on reserve! :wink:), then you can better understand it.

I agree with reaganhockey, kids need a bit of magic. I'd even go so far as to say that they need it more than a dose of realism.

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Post by marr »

Hi Guys!

It is good to read your messages. I have not been able to react any earlier, im sorry for that.
For some of the responses: I know it is not the most usefull 'research' ever, but since some people made a problem out of it, and I did not agree on their statements, I thought it would be nice to find out opinions of others on this topic.

Reagon hockey wrote: 'teach kids you need to work for what you want and then in the end you get your happily ever after. '

Some people wrote that chlidren just didn't watched movies in a way people think they get influenced.

What i want to say, do children get the message reagon hockey wrote, when they do not look at movies at this level of consciousness?
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Post by Piet Snotneus »

Why do people associate Disney with "family values"? Because the characters are cute and happy? Because of the incessant and pointless singing? Or maybe because nothing ever goes wrong in the Disney universe, and it's comforting for irresponsible parents to know that they can avoid spending time with their kids by putting on a video, and saving a few bucks on a babysitter at the same time
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Because of Walt Disney's personal commitment to family values, and because of the nature of his films, which upheld family values.

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