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Sotiris wrote:But the basic story didn't change. She still goes to the matchmaker where she could sing Honor to Us All, she still comes back disappointed where she could sing Reflection, she still gets training where Commander Tung or Sergeant Qiang could sing I'll Make a Man Out of You (this one might have required some lyric changes). It's the tone that has changed the most but I still believe songs could work if the arrangement was changed to match the tone more.
Well, the premise is still the same, but several plot points could've changed. We don't know yet how much the story has been affected by the addition of new characters and the removal of others. Plus maybe the characters that are in both versions will have a different personality and background here, so the songs may not fit with them now.

Anyway, I've listened to the songs again paying attention to the lyrics, and maybe I went too far by saying that they couldn't have been added even if the filmmakers had wanted. I guess if the characters weren't too different here and if the situations in which the songs take place still existed in this movie, they could've made them fit, but not without a lot of changes to the lyrics. The only one that could maybe fit without being reworked, in my opinion, is "Reflection".

But, I don't know, even in the remakes that are very faithful to the originals, like Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, some lines seem a bit out of place in their new context, so I think it'd be a difficult task to make the songs work in Mulan, especially if the rumors are true and the musical numbers weren't shot with the rest of the movie. If they wanted to add them now through reshoots, the results could be quite jarring.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I agree, all of the songs except for “A Girl Worth Fighting For” could still work in Mulan as it is. The story for that one didn’t change dramatically, imo. All they did is cut all of the comic relief.
Why would it be more difficult to make that song work in the remake than the others?
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D82 wrote: Well, the premise is still the same, but several plot points could've changed. We don't know yet how much the story has been affected by the addition of new characters and the removal of others. Plus maybe the characters that are in both versions will have a different personality and background here, so the songs may not fit with them now.

Anyway, I've listened to the songs again paying attention to the lyrics, and maybe I went too far by saying that they couldn't have been added even if the filmmakers had wanted. I guess if the characters weren't too different here and if the situations in which the songs take place still existed in this movie, they could've made them fit, but not without a lot of changes to the lyrics. The only one that could maybe fit without being reworked, in my opinion, is "Reflection".

But, I don't know, even in the remakes that are very faithful to the originals, like Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, some lines seem a bit out of place in their new context, so I think it'd be a difficult task to make the songs work in Mulan, especially if the rumors are true and the musical numbers weren't shot with the rest of the movie. If they wanted to add them now through reshoots, the results could be quite jarring.
I agree with you, D82, that with the changing of the plot, a lot of these songs wouldn't work. This Mulan seems as though she's not nearly as clumsy as the original and the Matchmaker scene has been completely revamped. If she's getting a proper match then clearly she didn't disappoint her parents and dishonor her family so Reflection wouldn't work in this context without needing to be heavily changed.

I'll Make a Man Out of You works because Shang is the captain of soldiers who have no training whatsoever and they're supposed to be China's last hope. We have no idea if the same batch of soldiers will be as utterly unprepared and Shang doesn't even exist here.
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D82 wrote:Why would it be more difficult to make that song work in the remake than the others?
Because the comic soldier friends were cut, and the song’s too absurd to work if the rest of the film has no humor at all.

The rest of the songs would fit fine. From the trailer alone, we know that Mulan is not happy about going to meet the Matchmaker—“Reflection.” “I’ll Make a Man Out of You” could easily work as a montage song. And “Honor to Us All” was literally used as a line in the trailer—obviously the song would still work.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Because the comic soldier friends were cut, and the song’s too absurd to work if the rest of the film has no humor at all.
They weren't cut. Yao, Ling and Chien Po (now only Po) are also in the remake. I guess you're right and the overall tone of this version will be more serious, but that doesn't mean it won't have moments of humor too. Though instead of coming from Mushu, they'll probably come only from the human characters like Mulan's friends and that con artist duo that was announced.
JeanGreyForever wrote:This Mulan seems as though she's not nearly as clumsy as the original and the Matchmaker scene has been completely revamped. If she's getting a proper match then clearly she didn't disappoint her parents and dishonor her family so Reflection wouldn't work in this context without needing to be heavily changed.
I was going to mention that too, but I wasn't sure if I understood it well because I don't really know how these Chinese traditions work. But it's true; the Matchmaker even says in the trailer that Mulan meets all the qualities expected from a good wife.
JeanGreyForever wrote:I'll Make a Man Out of You works because Shang is the captain of soldiers who have no training whatsoever and they're supposed to be China's last hope. We have no idea if the same batch of soldiers will be as utterly unprepared and Shang doesn't even exist here.
I was also thinking that if Mulan's love interest in this version or the character played by Donnie Yen sung the song, maybe it would make audiences miss Shang even more.
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Q: Is it true that a new Pocahontas live-action could happen?

The DisInsider: No.
Source: https://i.imgur.com/Rk2YWiw.jpg
Q: Any update on the Pocahontas remake?

The DisInsider: There isn't one.
Source: https://i.imgur.com/qGXPXs9.jpg
Q: Have you heard anything about a live action Pocahontas being in the works?

Skyler Shuler: It was on the table years ago. As far as I know those plans were quickly scrapped.

Q: That’s a shame, hopefully they will reconsider it.

Skyler Shuler: No, there are to many hurdles to jump through to get this made at Disney.
Source: https://twitter.com/SkylerShuler/status ... 5158042627
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