Are the remakes "erasing" the originals?

[Farerb]

My take on this matter is that the remakes will also cheapen the value and quality of the originals.

And now, I just found out that there is going to be a remake of "Snow White" and not the proposed "Rose Red", which at least sounded different.

Don't worry in a few years they'll be as beloved and remembered as the Disney sequels.

As I said before, whether they will be beloved or remembered is beside the point. The point is, they made them, so we're stuck with them, particularly from a historical standpoint.

Disney aalready did that with the cheapquals and franchising everything while making them juvenile and aimed only for kids (like the Disney Princess franchise).

[JeanGreyForever]

Disney aalready did that with the cheapquals and franchising everything while making them juvenile and aimed only for kids (like the Disney Princess franchise).

I agree with this because the DP franchise has probably wreaked more havoc on the integrity of Disney's animation catalog than the cheapquels and live-action remakes combined. In fact, some of the most egregious elements in the live-action remakes are directly because of how the DP franchise has watered down the original female characters.

[nomad2010]

I don’t think these live action remakes will ever erase the originals and I think that’s honestly on purpose.

The originals are interesting in the fact that they’re great stories but streamlined to a point of near perfection. They don’t run too long but they leave enough to emotionally fulfill you. The animated movies should’ve served as a picture perfect blueprint for these remakes, but instead Disney has chosen odd choice after odd choice for directors. Bill Condon’s directing of Dreamgirls is highly criticized for being boring, Guy Ritchie in many peoples opinion has never directed a truly great movie to begin with, with my of his movies being pretty awful.

I’m not saying these remakes were meant to fail, but I often wonder if Disney was too afraid to allow these films to be better than the originals. There’s truly no excuse for Beauty and the Beast to not have been an award winning, stunningly beautiful, timeless fairy tale for the ages in live action. But Disney allowed casting to overtake the project. Directing to bore. Sets and artistic direction to not capture a true mood of a gothic castle. They were too afraid to allow it to be creepy. Probably in fear of a PG-13 rating which in all honesty may have helped the film. The castle just isn’t scary, the battle with Gaston isn’t as intense. Again, with Aladdin, they removed Jafar turning into a snake, toned down a lot of the darkness in the climax.

The sets for both were incredibly underwhelming in certain scenes. They knew there should’ve been almost no budget for these movies, but they allowed them to be constrained, and the marketing showed that and the audience reacted poorly to the trailers.

I know many on here love Emma Watson as Belle, but her casting and the poor excuse of a soundtrack for that film proves my point. This is Hollywood, where people can be as talented as they come. Auto tuning a soundtrack to that level is an embarrassment. And if the movie were truly supposed to ever be taken seriously, they should’ve paused production and recast. They did it with Back to the Future, for instance.

It’s sad to say, but I think these movies truly were designed to be inferior. They were meant to make money, and not be the definitive version. And really, it should’ve been an easy task to make these into the definitive versions. So in my mind, no these will never eclipse the original or erase them. I think they’re their own thing and can exist side by side. But I truly have to wonder if they weren’t designed to not become the definitive versions and allow the animated ones to stay the go to version of these stories.

[Disney's Divinity]

Autotune in film musicals didn't begin with B&tB and Aladdin, and they certainly won't be the last. Into the Woods, Mamma Mia, Les Miserables, The Greatest Showman, Sweeney Todd, etc. They almost always choose actors over singers for the main parts. Rarely do they get both in one package or even attempt to get them; Disney was certainly not going to be a game-changer in that regard.

[Disney Duster]

Nomad2010, I think you may actually be right. It's something I wondered myself.

[DisneyFan97]

There some Disney movie i don't think worked or would work in live action.
Bambi can't be a good live action movie.

Aristocats doesn't lend itself well to live action either.

Robin Hood is imoppsible to make good in live action if you're adapting the Disney movie. But as an unralted robin hood movie wth humans it could work

The Jungle Book was a poor choice for an adaprision given how much personality was in the way the animals were animated in the orginal.

The Great Mouse Dective would look atrocious in n live action. But they could make an unralted Disney Sherlock Holmes movie.
Live Action Fox and the hound would make me fall asllep given how boring the orginal already was.


To litte spectacule for a big blockbuster and the alliens will proabbly look unappealing in live action.


Alantis would litraley get like only five people buying tickets and story isn't that Unique
Trasure Planet. Who cares about Treasue Planet ?

It would make like 10 dollars at the box office and they should just make a period acurate treasue Island movie instead And even that might be boring.

[DisneyFan97]

So i can't a theard about these Disney live action movies that are bassefd older Disney thing as a whole. So i will say something to state about them here.

In my opinion the three best new Disney live action movies that revived their old properties are

Dumbo from lat which i would rate 8 out of 10

Mary Poppins Retruns which rate as 9 out of 10

and Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland(2010) which think is a 10 out of 10 movie and also actually is my fourteenth favorite movie OF ALL TIME !

Yje two worst were Aladdin which only served to make the story orse than the orginal and Maleficent: Mistress of Evil In my opinion a thrown together , tinley confusing, unintentionally funny mess which has paper fin charters an over complicated yet still somehow vaguely explained mythology, a bounch really ugly and genric faries copmlety made up for the movie with dull motvation. I rediculuy happy ending for an otherwise darlkk movie random moments of sitcom-like humor that feels super out of place, . A villainess who is more sympathetic and likable than most of the heros. The freaking suicide of a beloved disney character which end with punch that is reference to the original movie ending !!!

Ed Skrein being as engchaing acrboardcutout , a very boar Chiwetel Ejiofor aearly phone it in forr a paycheckthe wasting of Imelda Staunton one the best actress in england( for god's sake she gave more of an imperssion as the face of a flower ! with only two freaking lines in another disneey movie 10 years ago thantourghout his whole thing ! and a price maganges some be more boring than the most the clöassic animated prices !! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE !

The only ones come out unsgaved are Jolie who is still despite bad script giving it 100 and 10 proscent ! and Michelle Pfeiffer who just so god as an actress she meage to evenmake thistrash mostly work and who also seems to have realized a bit into production just what rediculus cartoon she is actually and is clearky having blast haming it up. Also since Queen Ingrith has an unserstandable and sypyhatitic backstory and the dark farries are all either boring, mean/rudd or just mod bord looking actors super ugly make up i can't help but side with her plan to view them all out. I don't want hertoo kill all the froest creatures of course since they all just cute and or harmless except in selfdefense. but by all means go and kill all the ugly very agressiv and boradline fantical dark faries. They seem kind facistic any way. Would proabbly havestrartt a war with themself if Ingrith was frist just out of blind hate and the "honor" of war or what ever crap kind öf life philosophy have they most seemn really war turst and arngy aginest humans orr just emtionless ugly blends ugly makrup and very good CGI.


Also despite Aurora eem like she was a good ruler of the morors wwe ever actually saw do much ruleing on screen. Why should her mother in law good mother or thse ugly dark farry things take away her power she seemed like was doingpretty fine job ruleing the m,orors fraily and jusyicly with the interferinces of Maleficent , her would be mother in law or those blody dark farries, In fact was is she even getting married she din'tseem taht into the prince in frist movie andwhycan't the powerful monrach be an unmarried queen.

I could go on and on but suffice it to say Mistress of Evil is turkey the bottom of the barrel of the live action interpretation, in fact i would rathe watcg Snowwhite and the Huntsman or Jack the Giant Killer to non Disney movies trying to cash in on thse kind of movies than Mistress of Evil. Hel i might even prefer Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters oiover rhis movie, At least Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters know it was a joke and wassn't mostly even tryimg to be any kind of serious drama. Heck i think Terry Gilliams Brothers Frim might be a better darily live action movie than Mistress of Evil at leat it hade Jonathan Pryce, Lena Headey ,Peter Stormare , Monica Bellucci and good dos of expect random Gilliam weirdness,

I don't care what you say 2012's mirror Mirror is a real underated gem and actually pretty good. It masterpice comperad to Mistress of Evil at least !

[DisneyJedi]

Autotune in film musicals didn't begin with B&tB and Aladdin, and they certainly won't be the last. Into the Woods, Mamma Mia, Les Miserables, The Greatest Showman, Sweeney Todd, etc. They almost always choose actors over singers for the main parts. Rarely do they get both in one package or even attempt to get them; Disney was certainly not going to be a game-changer in that regard.

Les Mis didn’t use auto tuning or pre-recorded music. All the music was sung live.

[JeanGreyForever]

There some Disney movie i don't think worked or would work in live action.
Bambi can't be a good live action movie.

Lol you jinxed it, we are getting a live-action Bambi after all.

So i can't a theard about these Disney live action movies that are bassefd older Disney thing as a whole. So i will say something to state about them here.

In my opinion the three best new Disney live action movies that revived their old properties are

Dumbo from lat which i would rate 8 out of 10

Mary Poppins Retruns which rate as 9 out of 10

and Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland(2010) which think is a 10 out of 10 movie and also actually is my fourteenth favorite movie OF ALL TIME !

Yje two worst were Aladdin which only served to make the story orse than the orginal and Maleficent: Mistress of Evil In my opinion a thrown together , tinley confusing, unintentionally funny mess which has paper fin charters an over complicated yet still somehow vaguely explained mythology, a bounch really ugly and genric faries copmlety made up for the movie with dull motvation. I rediculuy happy ending for an otherwise darlkk movie random moments of sitcom-like humor that feels super out of place, . A villainess who is more sympathetic and likable than most of the heros. The freaking suicide of a beloved disney character which end with punch that is reference to the original movie ending !!!

Ed Skrein being as engchaing acrboardcutout , a very boar Chiwetel Ejiofor aearly phone it in forr a paycheckthe wasting of Imelda Staunton one the best actress in england( for god's sake she gave more of an imperssion as the face of a flower ! with only two freaking lines in another disneey movie 10 years ago thantourghout his whole thing ! and a price maganges some be more boring than the most the clöassic animated prices !! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE !

The only ones come out unsgaved are Jolie who is still despite bad script giving it 100 and 10 proscent ! and Michelle Pfeiffer who just so god as an actress she meage to evenmake thistrash mostly work and who also seems to have realized a bit into production just what rediculus cartoon she is actually and is clearky having blast haming it up. Also since Queen Ingrith has an unserstandable and sypyhatitic backstory and the dark farries are all either boring, mean/rudd or just mod bord looking actors super ugly make up i can't help but side with her plan to view them all out. I don't want hertoo kill all the froest creatures of course since they all just cute and or harmless except in selfdefense. but by all means go and kill all the ugly very agressiv and boradline fantical dark faries. They seem kind facistic any way. Would proabbly havestrartt a war with themself if Ingrith was frist just out of blind hate and the "honor" of war or what ever crap kind öf life philosophy have they most seemn really war turst and arngy aginest humans orr just emtionless ugly blends ugly makrup and very good CGI.


Also despite Aurora eem like she was a good ruler of the morors wwe ever actually saw do much ruleing on screen. Why should her mother in law good mother or thse ugly dark farry things take away her power she seemed like was doingpretty fine job ruleing the m,orors fraily and jusyicly with the interferinces of Maleficent , her would be mother in law or those blody dark farries, In fact was is she even getting married she din'tseem taht into the prince in frist movie andwhycan't the powerful monrach be an unmarried queen.

I could go on and on but suffice it to say Mistress of Evil is turkey the bottom of the barrel of the live action interpretation, in fact i would rathe watcg Snowwhite and the Huntsman or Jack the Giant Killer to non Disney movies trying to cash in on thse kind of movies than Mistress of Evil. Hel i might even prefer Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters oiover rhis movie, At least Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters know it was a joke and wassn't mostly even tryimg to be any kind of serious drama. Heck i think Terry Gilliams Brothers Frim might be a better darily live action movie than Mistress of Evil at leat it hade Jonathan Pryce, Lena Headey ,Peter Stormare , Monica Bellucci and good dos of expect random Gilliam weirdness,

I don't care what you say 2012's mirror Mirror is a real underated gem and actually pretty good. It masterpice comperad to Mistress of Evil at least !

I don't care much for the live-action Alice but I like the visuals a lot and it's a least an entertaining watch. Maleficent II is one of the worst films Disney could ever have made. Those fairies were hideous and I cannot get over the fact that people were reporting online that when Maleficent sees more fairies of her kind, people in the audience were laughing and getting hysterical over how ridiculous the situation was. Pfeiffer made that film and my only regret is that she didn't slaughter every character onscreen, especially those dumb fairies. Destroy bland Elle Fanning's wardrobe while she's at it.

[DisneyFan97]

[/quote]
. Maleficent II is one of the worst films Disney could ever have made. Those fairies were hideous and I cannot get over the fact that people were reporting online that when Maleficent sees more fairies of her kind, people in the audience were laughing and getting hysterical over how ridiculous the situation was. Pfeiffer made that film and my only regret is that she didn't slaughter every character onscreen, especially those dumb fairies. [/quote]

You took the words right out of my mouth

Agree

[JeanGreyForever]

. Maleficent II is one of the worst films Disney could ever have made. Those fairies were hideous and I cannot get over the fact that people were reporting online that when Maleficent sees more fairies of her kind, people in the audience were laughing and getting hysterical over how ridiculous the situation was. Pfeiffer made that film and my only regret is that she didn't slaughter every character onscreen, especially those dumb fairies.

You took the words right out of my mouth

Agree

Glad to hear it. Disney should be embarrassed for making that film, and even the original one.

What did you think of The Nutcracker and the Four Realms?

[Farerb]

Sad to say but the last live action film done by Disney that I actually liked was Saving Mr Banks. Actually when I think about it, Disney isn't really strong with live actionction. They make a good live action film once a decade and everything else is forgotten.

[JeanGreyForever]

Sad to say but the last live action film done by Disney that I actually liked was Saving Mr Banks. Actually when I think about it, Disney isn't really strong with live actionction. They make a good live action film once a decade and everything else is forgotten.

I love that film. One of Disney's best from the past decade. I agree with you about their live-action content. Even in the Walt days, there were dozens of films but only a select few are remembered these days.

From the 2000s onwards, I'd say their most popular ones have been Pirates of the Caribbean, The Chronicles of Narnia, The Princess Diaries, National Treasure, and Freaky Friday. Lindsay Lohan's The Parent Trap was a late 90s film but is appreciated by this generation so it can be grouped with the rest of the films and same goes for Hocus Pocus. Maybe Tron as well but I don't think the new film really caught on. And it's interesting that pretty much all those franchises were in the 2000s and the 2010s haven't really spawned any memorable films besides the live-action remakes. My favorite from the 2010s would be Saving Mr. Banks and Into the Woods. I'm very partial to John Carter as well though.

[Farerb]

Sad to say but the last live action film done by Disney that I actually liked was Saving Mr Banks. Actually when I think about it, Disney isn't really strong with live actionction. They make a good live action film once a decade and everything else is forgotten.

I love that film. One of Disney's best from the past decade. I agree with you about their live-action content. Even in the Walt days, there were dozens of films but only a select few are remembered these days.

From the 2000s onwards, I'd say their most popular ones have been Pirates of the Caribbean, The Chronicles of Narnia, The Princess Diaries, National Treasure, and Freaky Friday. Lindsay Lohan's The Parent Trap was a late 90s film but is appreciated by this generation so it can be grouped with the rest of the films and same goes for Hocus Pocus. Maybe Tron as well but I don't think the new film really caught on. And it's interesting that pretty much all those franchises were in the 2000s and the 2010s haven't really spawned any memorable films besides the live-action remakes. My favorite from the 2010s would be Saving Mr. Banks and Into the Woods. I'm very partial to John Carter as well though.

And Enchanted.

[JeanGreyForever]

I love that film. One of Disney's best from the past decade. I agree with you about their live-action content. Even in the Walt days, there were dozens of films but only a select few are remembered these days.

From the 2000s onwards, I'd say their most popular ones have been Pirates of the Caribbean, The Chronicles of Narnia, The Princess Diaries, National Treasure, and Freaky Friday. Lindsay Lohan's The Parent Trap was a late 90s film but is appreciated by this generation so it can be grouped with the rest of the films and same goes for Hocus Pocus. Maybe Tron as well but I don't think the new film really caught on. And it's interesting that pretty much all those franchises were in the 2000s and the 2010s haven't really spawned any memorable films besides the live-action remakes. My favorite from the 2010s would be Saving Mr. Banks and Into the Woods. I'm very partial to John Carter as well though.

And Enchanted.

Oh yeah, I can't believe I forgot about that since it's one of my favs too! I guess that's what happens when Disney barely markets it anymore and didn't even bother giving it a Special Edition 2-Disc DVD.

[Disney's Divinity]

Sad to say but the last live action film done by Disney that I actually liked was Saving Mr Banks. Actually when I think about it, Disney isn't really strong with live actionction. They make a good live action film once a decade and everything else is forgotten.

Yes, it's true that I've never cared that much for Disney's live-action output. But the number of live-action films I become attached to are few and far between, regardless of studio.

[Farerb]

Sad to say but the last live action film done by Disney that I actually liked was Saving Mr Banks. Actually when I think about it, Disney isn't really strong with live actionction. They make a good live action film once a decade and everything else is forgotten.

Yes, it's true that I've never cared that much for Disney's live-action output. But the number of live-action films I become attached to are few and far between, regardless of studio.

Yeah, I'm more into animation as well. There are like 20 or something live action films I really enjoy.

[Avaitor]

I had a bit of a phase where I was getting into the live-action films from Walt's era a while back, and I still really like a good handful of them. The Hayley Mills films are among my favorites- she had a lot of charm and helped sell most of her material. Pollyanna is an especially well-made film, among my very favorite Disney films.

I'd also rank 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea quite highly. It's a terrific blockbuster, and James Mason as Captain Nemo is among my all-time favorite performances. Most of the better remembered films from that era are worth checking out, as are a handful of less discussed gems. I've always wanted to make a video series or something detailing them. Maybe some day.

The films did become less likable after Walt died, but there are some exceptions. The Love Bug is fun, some of the Chinese parts aside, and I also have fun with the Dexter Riley and Witch Mountain films, although they're all kinda dopey, to say the least. I start to fade out a little after the mid-70's, but I do think each decade has a few live-action highlights.

I'd agree that Saving Mr. Banks is probably the last particularly noteworthy live-action Disney, unless you count their Muppet stuff, never mind Marvel and Star Wars. I do intend to check out Togo on Disney+ at some point, though.

[JeanGreyForever]

I've only seen Pollyanna and The Parent Trap from Hayley Mills' work and I adored both films! Still need to catch That Darn Cat! on Disney+ but they need to add the rest of her films on there. I want to see Summer Magic a lot and I always had a crush on the actor in The Moon-Spinners.

I've seen 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Old Yeller and both are classics. The same cannot be said for Babes in Toyland lol.

I also really like Song of the South, So Dear to My Heart, and Treasure Island. Bobby Driscoll was a great actor in them, as well as in The Window (non-Disney) and it's a shame that his career basically tanked afterwards and admittedly enough, Peter Pan was not his best role. He was too old by that point and his voice did not match the timeless and ageless nature of the character. A few years earlier and the role would have been far more suitable for him, had it been released in the 40s like originally planned.

I didn't expect to like The Love Bug since I'm not into cars at all but it's actually a very funny and enjoyable comedy. The last hour or so drags with the race but everything before it is really fun and I surprisingly enough recommend the film! I've also seen The Happiest Milionaire which I also quite liked and the songs are pretty catchy too even if the script is a bit bizarre and outrageous, even for a Disney film.

Beyond that, most of the Disney live-action films I've seen come from the late 90s and onwards.

[Avaitor]

I've only seen Pollyanna and The Parent Trap from Hayley Mills' work and I adored both films! Still need to catch That Darn Cat! on Disney+ but they need to add the rest of her films on there. I want to see Summer Magic a lot and I always had a crush on the actor in The Moon-Spinners.

That Darn Cat's a lot of fun. It has a good sense of humor, and surprisingly decent thriller aspects. But I think it's beast seen for its historical context in the Disney timeline- it's the last movie with Hayley, and the first with Dean Jones, a perfect end of one era and start to the next.

Summer Magic is a treat, and has some really good songs, aside from a gawdy piece on femininity that I'd like to think is ironic, but I don't think translates as well as such. "The Ugly Bug Ball" is probably the most iconic song from the movie, being included in one of the Sing-a-Long tapes (although I believe an instrumental version of "Flitterin'" can be heard on Disneyland's Main Street), but my favorite has to be "On the Front Porch", which is a delightful group track. I also recall one of the Sherman brothers saying that it's among their favorite songs of theirs.

I've only seen The Moonspinners once. I thought it was fine, but kind of jarring compared to her other movies. I've heard it considered Hitchcock lite before, and if I recall it right, that's fairly apt.

I do also like In Search of the Castaways, although it has a couple of tone shifts that don't always work in its favor. It's still a pretty decent Verne adaptation, and features a fun turn with Maurice Chevalier, who has a fun duet with Hayley. Ultimately though, her first two films for Disney will always be her most essential.

I've seen 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Old Yeller and both are classics. The same cannot be said for Babes in Toyland lol.

Agreed, that one only really works for historical purposes. I think it's a chore to watch, but the episode from Walt's anthology focusing on it is nice.

I also really like Song of the South, So Dear to My Heart, and Treasure Island. Bobby Driscoll was a great actor in them, as well as in The Window (non-Disney) and it's a shame that his career basically tanked afterwards and admittedly enough, Peter Pan was not his best role. He was too old by that point and his voice did not match the timeless and ageless nature of the character. A few years earlier and the role would have been far more suitable for him, had it been released in the 40s like originally planned.

I like the other two, but I struggled with Song of the South the last time I tried to watch it. Besides its unfortunate racial connotations, I just don't find it very interesting, give or take the animated sequences. If Disney does ever decide to release it, I'll be first in line to buy it, but that's about it.

I do think you're right about Driscoll though, especially as Peter- his voice doesn't quite work for him at that age. Kathryn Beaumont is still perfect as Wendy, though, imo.

I didn't expect to like The Love Bug since I'm not into cars at all but it's actually a very funny and enjoyable comedy. The last hour or so drags with the race but everything before it is really fun and I surprisingly enough recommend the film! I've also seen The Happiest Milionaire which I also quite liked and the songs are pretty catchy too even if the script is a bit bizarre and outrageous, even for a Disney film.

I agree about the last hour of The Love Bug, but to be fair, I feel like that's true of a lot of racing films. I had a similar reaction to Ford v Ferrari (which is technically a Disney film, lol), in that the ending race didn't do much for me, especially compared to earlier sequences.

I'll admit that The Happiest Millionaire is a blind spot for me, having only seen the first act ages ago. I was watching that online, and my link crapped out. I just never got around to finishing it, although now I have it on DVD as a part of a 4-pack, so it's about time that I finally saw the whole thing. It's worth doing, especially since I believe that the Grand Floridian Resort has references to it inside.