I'm so tired of Frozen

[Tristy]

If the internet existed in the early 90s, people would have bitched about the obnoxious fans and oversaturation of Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. That's the only reason there are these "fandom" wars and getting annoyed with people you don't even know who are obsessed with the movie.

Complaining about merchandise and promotion is silly. Merchandise has ALWAYS been a huge moneymaker for Disney and of course they'll push their new films when they come out, and push them even more if they turn out to be hits.

Just look at The Lion King - merchandise was everywhere, complete strangers were saying Hakuna Matata to each other, developing the Broadway show began very quickly, there were two direct to video sequels, the Timon & Pumbaa TV series came out only ONE year after the movie, its presence increased in the parks including two separate Lion King shows coexisting at one point, and more. A lot of us were probably just kids then, so it seemed magical at the time, but it was actually more obnoxious than Frozen

My thoughts exactly.

[Escapay]

Frozen is to a six-year-old today what Beauty and the Beast was to me at that age. It's their movie, this is their time. Who am I to take that away from them? The overexposed merchandise, the ear worm of a power ballad, the rampant celebration in the parks, it belongs to them. Let them have these precious moments; they'll look back on these years in their adulthood with the same fondness and magic that I still have whenever I re-watch Beauty and the Beast.

Ten years from now, when they're moody teenagers going on a family trip to Walt Disney World, I want them to get that little spark as they sit down for "For the First Time in Forever: A Frozen Sing-Along Celebration" - assuming it's still playing at Disney's Hollywood Studios. Lest we forget, "Beauty and the Beast: Live on Stage" debuted the same day that the film came out; it has continued performing in the park for 23 years. So it could happen. Frozen has the endurance to stay there forever.

I want these kids to roll their eyes at the Arendelle historians Eric and Aria, but hum quietly to themselves when "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" begins playing. I want them to look around slightly embarrassed as their whole family sings along to "Love is an Open Door," dialogue included, while they start smiling at the absurdity of this communal experience. Then, as Elsa walks that mountain and the piano trills, I want them to suddenly remember what an impact this film had on them at six, and they find themselves singing along, softly at first, but with a gradual buildup. And, finally, they have come home to the Disney that shaped who they were, and they...

"Let It Go."

Albert

[Disney Duster]

I mean you were with me at WDW in aug, mike. Remember all that shit in MGM? rock band concert, sing a long, parade, fucking ICE RINK? I don't remember other movies(except maybe pixar ones but i'm unsure on that) receiving that much. At best as far i remember was the most it got was a parade dedicated to the new movie and maybe an opening attraction. Oh don't forget replacing Aurora in the MK parade too!

I didn't notice all that, or know that they replaced Aurora in the parade, but that's why I said maybe they're doing a little too much but not that bad. Sure, I don't think Frozen is a much better movie than Tangled but I do think it's better by a good amount and I'm happy it's getting a lot of popularity and praise. I get it. Maybe we have to accept that Frozen is considered an incredible movie, better than the few good recent previous ones, in a lot of people's opinion, even if to us it's not.

[ProfessorRatigan]

Maybe we have to accept that Frozen is considered an incredible movie, better than the few good recent previous ones, in a lot of people's opinion, even if to us it's not.

I don't think we have to accept anything. If you like something, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Just because a bunch of people like something you don't or don't like something you DO, that doesn't mean you should just go with the crowd. Form your own opinions. Stick with them. Fight for them. That's what being a fan of art is all about, right? Discussion! Debate! Popular and/or critical consensus never means a damn in the long run. A film is either going to make it or it's going to be forgotten and dismissed in the future. All you can do is be true to your own feelings and your own likes and dislikes.

[Widdi]

I wish I had a kid in that 5-9 age right now to watch them obsess over Frozen the way I did Aladdin, The Lion King and Toy Story. My world was so much fun when I was playing with my Aladdin action figures and Simba stuffie.

I get that Disney is pushing Frozen hard right now, but who can blame them? They finally got the money printing machine back up and running and good for them! I hope Frozen's success opens the doors to many more successes in the future, because as a Disney fan I crave high caliber movies like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid and would much rather see Disney make them than Brother Bear, Chicken Little or Bolt. If it means dealing with crazy amount of merchandise or cross promotion oh well. Really that stuff only bothers you if you let it and is someone taking a little joy from a movie is keeping you up at night then you have bigger problems than a bombardment of Frozen things.

[rodis]

As a Disney fan who up until 5 years ago was starting to lose hope in their new films, I couldn't be happier. They've had a fantastic run this decade and seeing Frozen turn into this unbelievable juggernaut everybody's talking about gives me sheer joy. That crown belonged to Pixar and to a lesser extent Dreamworks in the 00's and it's about time it got back to its rightful owner Seeing any Disney film receive this kind of success and fanfare means so much to me.

[unprincess]

you know one thing that does piss me off about all this? its really great that Disney is rolling in the dough and enjoying enormous success and all time popularity thanks to Frozen... Youd think that at least one of the higher ups at Disney(coughIgercough) would look at that success, that momentum, and think "hmmm, we're on a roll right now, why dont we use the good position we're in right now to try out something more experimental... maybe a hybrid animated film.... or heck even (gasp!) a hand drawn film. Even if its not as successful as Frozen or even Tangled it will honor our hand drawn legacy and show that we still feel artistic merit and tradition is important at the studio."
but nooooooope....not gonna happpen.

[rodis]

you know one thing that does piss me off about all this? its really great that Disney is rolling in the dough and enjoying enormous success and all time popularity thanks to Frozen... Youd think that at least one of the higher ups at Disney(coughIgercough) would look at that success, that momentum, and think "hmmm, we're on a roll right now, why dont we use the good position we're in right now to try out something more experimental... maybe a hybrid animated film.... or heck even (gasp!) a hand drawn film. Even if its not as successful as Frozen or even Tangled it will honor our hand drawn legacy and show that we still feel artistic merit and tradition is important at the studio."
but nooooooope....not gonna happpen.

Isn't Winnie the Pooh the answer to your question? It was completely out of left field after the huge success of Tangled and unfortunately it didn't meet expectations. I'm sure no one was holding their breath for a $500M hit but still, its $33M worldwide doesn't warrant another chance as far as Disney's concerned, unfortunately.

[unprincess]

^so? is that really going to completey backrupt the company? a low performing animated film once every 5-6 years is not going to kill them...and it will eventually make up its cost in foreign & home release anyway...

if they were a struggling little studio I could understand but come on...

[Sotiris]

obese women are wearing tacky Frozen t-shirts

Then I see grown ass obese women singing "Let it Go" as they fucking shop

You know what pisses me off? Entitled and hateful attitudes like yours. Grossly fatphobic, prejudicial, misogynistic statements like the ones you made.

Whilst I do agree you should try to dress suitably for your shape

Nope! You don't get to tell other people what they should or should not wear.

I think any adult (unless in Disneyland) should probably stay away from Frozen t-shirts.

Why? Because "cartoons" are for children?

There are also tons of skinny and normal weight girls belting out 'Let it go' on YouTube and in Disney stores and adding to the Frozen overexposure you complain about but you don't mention these as pissing you off.

That's because he's obviously biased against fat women.

If you like something, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Just because a bunch of people like something you don't or don't like something you DO, that doesn't mean you should just go with the crowd. Form your own opinions. Stick with them. Fight for them. That's what being a fan of art is all about, right? Discussion! Debate! Popular and/or critical consensus never means a damn in the long run. A film is either going to make it or it's going to be forgotten and dismissed in the future. All you can do is be true to your own feelings and your own likes and dislikes.

Well said!

Isn't Winnie the Pooh the answer to your question?

Not even close. Winnie the Pooh was not experimental or risky in any way. It was solely created to revitalize the Pooh franchise because merchandise sales were on the decline. The project was imposed on the studio despite the protests of 2D animators at Disney who viewed that a preschool property like Pooh would be doomed at the box office, and that it was the wrong project to pursue at a time that 2D animation was struggling to prove its commercial viability. To make things worse, it was released in the worst possible time going directly against the final Harry Potter movie which ruined its chance of becoming even a small success.

a low performing animated film once every 5-6 years is not going to kill them...and it will eventually make up its cost in foreign & home release anyway

Let's not forget that The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh were significantly cheaper than Disney's CG films. TPatF cost 65 million and Pooh only 24, whereas Bolt and Frozen 150 million, Wreck-It Ralph 165, and Tangled 260 million. With such low production costs for 2D films, it would be financially feasible to produce more of them. The problem is that Disney is too greedy. They're not interested in modest successes, they want blockbusters and they don't believe a hand-drawn animated film could ever become one nowadays.

[ProfessorRatigan]

Well said!

Thanks!

Not even close. Winnie the Pooh was not experimental or risky in any way. It was solely created to revitalize the Pooh franchise because merchandise sales were on the decline. The project was imposed on the studio despite the protests of 2D animators at Disney who viewed that a preschool property like Pooh would be doomed at the box office, and that it was the wrong project to pursue at a time that 2D animation was struggling to prove its commercial viability. To make things worse, it was released in the worst possible time going directly against the final Harry Potter movie which ruined its chance of becoming even a small success.

-You took the words right out of my mouth. THIS.

Let's not forget that The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh were significantly cheaper than Disney's CG films. TPatF cost 65 million and Pooh only 24, whereas Bolt and Frozen 150 million, Wreck-It Ralph 165, and Tangled 260 million. With such low production costs for 2D films, it would be financially feasible to produce more of them. The problem is that Disney is too greedy. They're not interested in modest successes, they want blockbusters and they don't believe a hand-drawn animated film could ever become one nowadays.

PREACH. Seriously, I wish this could be stapled in front of everyone's eyes. It's a point that NEVER gets brought up. Unfortunately, this is life under the Bob Iger system. Franchises, franchises! We GOTTA HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR FRANCHISE! What?! No franchises!? Then BUY SOME! Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars! WE'LL BUY EVERYTHING! ...It's getting tiresome.

[Disney Duster]

Maybe we have to accept that Frozen is considered an incredible movie, better than the few good recent previous ones, in a lot of people's opinion, even if to us it's not.

I don't think we have to accept anything. If you like something, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Just because a bunch of people like something you don't or don't like something you DO, that doesn't mean you should just go with the crowd. Form your own opinions. Stick with them. Fight for them. That's what being a fan of art is all about, right? Discussion! Debate! Popular and/or critical consensus never means a damn in the long run. A film is either going to make it or it's going to be forgotten and dismissed in the future. All you can do is be true to your own feelings and your own likes and dislikes.

But my point was just to accept other people really love the movie and think it's really good... I guess to think "No, it's not that great a movie!" and think you are right and debate until people agree you are right would be cool, but...

[universALLove]

I guess to think "No, it's not that great a movie!" and think you are right and debate until people agree you are right would be cool

I don't think that would be cool at all personally. Belligerently forcing your opinion/viewpoint onto someone to the point they cave in and agree you are "right" just to shut you up is not really what I would consider a healthy debate. It's also extremely arrogant as well to think your perspective is absolute or the truth and that everyone should agree with your mindset and where you're coming from. At the end of the day an opinion is just that... An opinion, it's not factual it's just someone's point of view, there is no real right or wrong in that respect. Debate to me is more about enlightenment and opening your mind to another point of view that you may not have thought of and challenging your own thoughts as well as others, leaving you with things to ponder.

[Super Aurora]

obese women are wearing tacky Frozen t-shirts

Then I see grown ass obese women singing "Let it Go" as they fucking shop

You know what pisses me off? Entitled and hateful attitudes like yours. Grossly fatphobic, prejudicial, misogynistic statements like the ones you made.

You're jumping to assumptions, aren't you. Of all the things he talked about, this is what stood out to you?

And I like how people, especially SJW, used the word "entitled" as if such derogatory thing.

other than that, I'll let him do the rest of responding to this. lol

[MeerkatKombat]

Whilst I do agree you should try to dress suitably for your shape

Nope! You don't get to tell other people what they should or should not wear.

I'm not telling anyone what to wear.
If anyone has ever been on People of Walmart, they will know what I mean.

I think any adult (unless in Disneyland) should probably stay away from Frozen t-shirts.

Why? Because "cartoons" are for children?

If any of us here really, truly, honestly believed that, we would certainly not be here. I personally would not have spent a small fortune on Disney merchandise, Disney trips and Disney media and I absolutely resent that accusation.
I own a few Mickey Mouse t-shirts myself but on the other hand 99% of Disney clothing I see if for children and so maybe I just associate the two together but I certainly do not think the films are for Children only.

There are also tons of skinny and normal weight girls belting out 'Let it go' on YouTube and in Disney stores and adding to the Frozen overexposure you complain about but you don't mention these as pissing you off.

That's because he's obviously biased against fat women.

That we both agree on.

[unprincess]

Not even close. Winnie the Pooh was not experimental or risky in any way. It was solely created to revitalize the Pooh franchise because merchandise sales were on the decline. The project was imposed on the studio despite the protests of 2D animators at Disney who viewed that a preschool property like Pooh would be doomed at the box office, and that it was the wrong project to pursue at a time that 2D animation was struggling to prove its commercial viability. To make things worse, it was released in the worst possible time going directly against the final Harry Potter movie which ruined its chance of becoming even a small success.

-You took the words right out of my mouth. THIS.

Let's not forget that The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh were significantly cheaper than Disney's CG films. TPatF cost 65 million and Pooh only 24, whereas Bolt and Frozen 150 million, Wreck-It Ralph 165, and Tangled 260 million. With such low production costs for 2D films, it would be financially feasible to produce more of them. The problem is that Disney is too greedy. They're not interested in modest successes, they want blockbusters and they don't believe a hand-drawn animated film could ever become one nowadays.

PREACH. Seriously, I wish this could be stapled in front of everyone's eyes. It's a point that NEVER gets brought up. Unfortunately, this is life under the Bob Iger system. Franchises, franchises! We GOTTA HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR FRANCHISE! What?! No franchises!? Then BUY SOME! Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars! WE'LL BUY EVERYTHING! ...It's getting tiresome.

yep...I also wonder if theyve become superstitious about 2d or something...like if they have a 2d film that flops suddenly it'll jinx their winning streak or tarnish their brand name and people will stop seeing their future animated films, even the cgi ones.

as for the franchise buying...there was a rumor going around on some comic book forums I frequent that they were thinking of buying/merging with Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers! can you imagine how terrifyingly scarily HUGE and POWERFUL a company like that would become? Disney, Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel AND DC!!! Loony Tunes, Cartoon Network, Harry Potter!!! No company should ever be allowed to be that enormous.

[Sotiris]

You're jumping to assumptions, aren't you?

No. I was careful not to make generalizations like "you're a misogynist" (which is a loaded accusation) but to call out what he said i.e. "you said something misogynistic" which can actually happen to the best of us.

Of all the things he talked about, this is what stood out to you?

Yeah, because his bias was so obvious it stuck out like a sore thumb. As for his rather pointless rant, I did not have anything to add as other people addressed it adequately.

And I like how people, especially SJW, use the word "entitled" as such a derogatory thing.

Being entitled is a negative trait. How else is supposed to be used?

If anyone has ever been on People of Walmart, they will know what I mean.

I do know what you mean and I disagree. People of Walmart is horrible website that makes fun of people just because of what they wear. Shallow and hateful. No question about it. Saying that "people should dress according to XYZ" is not a healthy attitude. The fact of the matter is that it's none of our business and it certainly doesn't give us the right to judge, mock, ridicule people who don't conform to our own sense of taste or our beliefs.

If any of us here really, truly, honestly believed that, we would certainly not be here. I personally would not have spent a small fortune on Disney merchandise, Disney trips and Disney media

So cartoons are not only for children but T-shirts with cartoon characters are? I don't get it.

I also wonder if they've become superstitious about 2D or something...like if they have a 2D film that flops suddenly it'll jinx their winning streak or tarnish their brand name and people will stop seeing their future animated films, even the CG ones.

I think you're right! They do seem to have become superstitious about the hand-drawn medium. It's ridiculous!

Belligerently forcing your opinion/viewpoint onto someone to the point they cave in and agree you are "right" just to shut you up is not really what I would consider a healthy debate. It's also extremely arrogant as well to think your perspective is absolute or the truth and that everyone should agree with your mindset and where you're coming from. At the end of the day an opinion is just that... An opinion, it's not factual it's just someone's point of view, there is no real right or wrong in that respect. Debate to me is more about enlightenment and opening your mind to another point of view that you may not have thought of and challenging your own thoughts as well as others, leaving you with things to ponder.

That rings particularly true when it comes to something as inconsequential as entertainment media.

[Disney Duster]

I guess to think "No, it's not that great a movie!" and think you are right and debate until people agree you are right would be cool

I don't think that would be cool at all personally. Belligerently forcing your opinion/viewpoint onto someone to the point they cave in and agree you are "right" just to shut you up is not really what I would consider a healthy debate. It's also extremely arrogant as well to think your perspective is absolute or the truth and that everyone should agree with your mindset and where you're coming from. At the end of the day an opinion is just that... An opinion, it's not factual it's just someone's point of view, there is no real right or wrong in that respect. Debate to me is more about enlightenment and opening your mind to another point of view that you may not have thought of and challenging your own thoughts as well as others, leaving you with things to ponder.

Well I just mean debating with someone and then they perhaps see you are really right. I like to think there is a true right and wrong. But, going along with what you said, you can believe what you want.

[Big One]

obese women are wearing tacky Frozen t-shirts

Then I see grown ass obese women singing "Let it Go" as they fucking shop

You know what pisses me off? Entitled and hateful attitudes like yours. Grossly fatphobic, prejudicial, misogynistic statements like the ones you made.

What exactly did I say that was in any way misogynistic? Give me a legitimate and sound reason here. Nothing I said was towards hating women, nor was it sexist in any way whatsoever. If you took it that way, that's all on you. I've seen boys do the same thing I listed, but I've seen many things and unless you want an essay-sized paragraph of what kind of things I've seen from Frozen fans, I'm going to stick with one example.

As for being "fatphobic" I am absolutely in every way fatphobic in every regard. Being morbidly obese is not healthy in any sense whatsoever and should never be acceptable in society. It's always healthy to have fat on your body, like me personally I prefer more chunky women over thinner women, but to be obese goes outside the normal realms of acceptable fat levels. It becomes a whole new health issue all together. It's not a case of whether you should treat them respectfully, cause you should treat EVERYONE with respect, but in terms of their health it is an issue cause as a human being I do worry about people who are eating badly or eating too much.

I do agree society likes to push hard on fat people to be point where it can get ridiculous, as in the concept that beauty = skinny reinforced by society's rules. This has lead to a lot of girls doing unhealthy things like forcing themselves to puke and go practically bulimic.

If you plan on responding to this post with an obscene amount of it multiquotes I'm simply not going to respond, but I just wanted to lay this out there to clear things up. Do not claim something so drastic especially in a thread that has nothing to do with the subjects you're accusing me of.

[Disney's Divinity]

Well...if we're going to have respect...that would include not mocking people in completely unrelated discussions. If a person is obese, absolutely nobody is saying you have to think they "look good" or to be attracted to them or say they're healthy when they're not. But that should mean having enough self-awareness to know that their entire mindset isn't going to revolve around looking the way you want them to either. It's nobody's business. Saying you're concerned about their health is bs. Why don't you work on making healthy foods affordable if you care that much? That would be more productive than making someone feel awful about themselves. Just a thought.

Anyway,

I wish I had a kid in that 5-9 age right now to watch them obsess over Frozen the way I did Aladdin, The Lion King and Toy Story.

This (plus Escapay's post) describe how I feel. Of course, I can understand why people are sick of it, since if this had been Tangled, I can definitely imagine how irritable I would've been. But I'm glad I can have a small enjoyment out of Disney's most recent phenomenon in Frozen.