Disneyland Could Lose Toontown and Big Thunder Ranch!!!

[Big Disney Fan]

The blog called Disney and More recently weighed in on the issue of Star Wars Land replacing Toontown. Here's what it said (in bold):

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Frankly, there's something that i don't get. [...] Mice Age is saying ( again ) that Disney envision to build Disneyland Star Wars land where DL Toon Town currently is as well as on a big part of the Festival Arena area. Toon Town will be removed as well as probably the Festival Arena which will be less a pity than Toon Town.

Editing: Please note that it seems that i did a mistake on the picture, indicating the Fantasyland stage as the Festival Arena when in fact this one is more on the left in Frontierland hoods. That will probably make a bit more space on the left for the Star Wars Land but not that much.

Anyway... if you look at this Google Maps screen capture [in the link] above you'll see not only where is what but also the total area where Disney envision to build DL Star Wars Land. Which is not particularly big as you can see. I understand that they don't have much room at Disneyland but what i don't get is this: we're talking here about a new land based on one of the most successful movie license in all movie history which potentially could give birth to dozens of rides, etc.. I mean, if one wanted to build a whole theme park on Star Wars they could do it because there is so many universes and characters in Star Wars that the material to create rides out of it is practically endless.

So, why do they insist to build a Star Wars land inside Disneyland and in that space and don't create a brand new third gate on the land they have opposite Harbor Blvd, in which they would eventually put a Marvel land if they wish? I know, they're supposed to need that land for DL employees car park, etc... Still, even if they remove some of the backstage buildings that you can see behind Toon Town, DL Star Wars land won't be that big. Someone clearly have a vision a bit too narrow on this project, don't you think?

To add to that post up there, as I said before, Iger said he wanted to do the project big and do it right, but, as you can see from the image put up, even with backstage stuff thrown in, that does not look big at all. And that does not even figure in the fireworks issue, either, especially with new fireworks displays on the way for the 60th.

[DisneyJedi]

So... Are they actually going to go through with bulldozing Toon Town for a Star Wars area?

[Nala]

The blog called Disney and More recently weighed in on the issue of Star Wars Land replacing Toontown. Here's what it said (in bold):

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz35 ... 174855.png

Frankly, there's something that i don't get. [...] Mice Age is saying ( again ) that Disney envision to build Disneyland Star Wars land where DL Toon Town currently is as well as on a big part of the Festival Arena area. Toon Town will be removed as well as probably the Festival Arena which will be less a pity than Toon Town.

Editing: Please note that it seems that i did a mistake on the picture, indicating the Fantasyland stage as the Festival Arena when in fact this one is more on the left in Frontierland hoods. That will probably make a bit more space on the left for the Star Wars Land but not that much.

Anyway... if you look at this Google Maps screen capture [in the link] above you'll see not only where is what but also the total area where Disney envision to build DL Star Wars Land. Which is not particularly big as you can see. I understand that they don't have much room at Disneyland but what i don't get is this: we're talking here about a new land based on one of the most successful movie license in all movie history which potentially could give birth to dozens of rides, etc.. I mean, if one wanted to build a whole theme park on Star Wars they could do it because there is so many universes and characters in Star Wars that the material to create rides out of it is practically endless.

So, why do they insist to build a Star Wars land inside Disneyland and in that space and don't create a brand new third gate on the land they have opposite Harbor Blvd, in which they would eventually put a Marvel land if they wish? I know, they're supposed to need that land for DL employees car park, etc... Still, even if they remove some of the backstage buildings that you can see behind Toon Town, DL Star Wars land won't be that big. Someone clearly have a vision a bit too narrow on this project, don't you think?

To add to that post up there, as I said before, Iger said he wanted to do the project big and do it right, but, as you can see from the image put up, even with backstage stuff thrown in, that does not look big at all. And that does not even figure in the fireworks issue, either, especially with new fireworks displays on the way for the 60th.

Where is Festival Arena? Haven't been to DL since 2008.

[Big Disney Fan]

Where is Festival Arena? Haven't been to DL since 2008.

It's that theater back behind Big Thunder Ranch.

[Nala]

Where is Festival Arena? Haven't been to DL since 2008.

It's that theater back behind Big Thunder Ranch.

When did it open as I can't remember it in 2008?

[Big Disney Fan]

It's that theater back behind Big Thunder Ranch.

When did it open as I can't remember it in 2008?

I think it opened in 1996 for a Hunchback of Notre Dame promotion (Festival of Fools, I believe).

[DisneyJedi]

I'll find out if Toon Town will be cleared to make way for a Star Wars area for you guys at the D23 Expo, provided they do share any intel about it.

[Big Disney Fan]

I'll find out if Toon Town will be cleared to make way for a Star Wars area for you guys at the D23 Expo, provided they do share any intel about it.

I'm actually going to the D23 event myself.

[disneyphilip]

So... Are they actually going to go through with bulldozing Toon Town for a Star Wars area?

No, they are not. Once again, it's just big fat lie that was made up by MiceChat, Jim Hill, WDW1974, Lee MacDonald and other such untrustworthy sources.

Plus, DL cannot get rid of Toontown. Not only is it popular (especially with kids), but it's also landlocked combined with the fact that it has to close early every night for the fireworks.

They also just introduced new costumes for Toontown's cast members.

[disneyphilip]

Where is Festival Arena? Haven't been to DL since 2008.

It's that theater back behind Big Thunder Ranch.

FYI, the Festival Arena is now Big Thunder Ranch Jamboree.

[Disneyphile]

Disney to Reveal ‘Ambitious’ Theme Park Plans for ‘Star Wars’

The big tease of what Disney has planned for “Star Wars” inside its theme parks continues 11 months before “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” flies into theaters.

Disney chief Bob Iger told Wall Street analysts that there’s “a fair amount of design and development (taking place by the company’s Imagineers) to greatly increase ‘Star Wars” presence in multiple locations around the world,” shortly after the Mouse House announced another strong financial quarter. “The plans are ambitious so it’s going to take some time for them to be built and opened.”

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/disney-r ... 09049.html

[Avaitor]

Does anyone else wish this could happen already so disneyphilip could shut up?

I kid, I kid!

[DisneyJedi]

Okay, seriously. Is Toon Town really going bye-bye or is it just some made-up rumor?

[Big Disney Fan]

Okay, seriously. Is Toon Town really going bye-bye or is it just some made-up rumor?

I really don't know. No one does, really. But there have been more hints at this by Iger from Variety (and Yahoo): https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/disney-r ... 09049.html.

He did not specify what parks, but in Disneyland's case, as I said before, I really hope that it's not Toontown as is the persistent rumor. It's too small, Toontown is a great section of the park, one primarily intended for the young'uns, and I don't think one small section in Disneyland is enough to do justice to Star Wars. Plus, Toontown has to close for the fireworks, and so would a Star Wars land if one was built back there. I would think that the new fireworks show coming for the 60th will probably stick around for at least as long as Remember Dreams Come True and Magical before it both did, if not longer.

Iger said that he wanted to do Star Wars big and do it right, but there's really no space for a Star Wars land in Disneyland. At WDW, certainly, which is where they should concentrate much of their Star Wars stuff (and maybe will), but not at Disneyland - unless they build a third park, which is also rumored, but I doubt that there's going to be one in the near future.

[Nala]

Does anyone else wish this could happen already so disneyphilip could shut up?

I kid, I kid!

Yes. Disneyphilip is really getting annoying.

[disneyphilip]

Okay, seriously. Is Toon Town really going bye-bye or is it just some made-up rumor?

Just a made-up rumor.

Plus, on Laughingplace.com, a seemingly-knowledgeable user called PeterPan1313 has said that Star Wars Land is being planned to be built in the Simba parking lot and become part of California Adventure with the transition to and from that area supposedly being on a bridge over the road between DCA and the Simba lot (similar to how several of DL's attractions got built outside the Railroad tracks).

[Big Disney Fan]

One poster on MiceChat showed off a map of Disneyland, with color-coded areas marking the potential spots for the Star Wars expansion: http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff4 ... y-0006.png. I had to do it in a link and not as an image on the post itself, because it's apparently too big to fit.

Anyway, the many areas marked in red (including those behind Toontown and Big Thunder Ranch) are backstage areas, and not attractions, shops or restaurants. This person suggested relocating these backstage areas someplace else so that they can be repurposed as the space for the Star Wars land. However, another poster argues convincingly that those backstage areas are the reason the park exists today, that they can't function without it. Some spots, like the slim little patch of red on the left side, may be a fire exit. The park can't just pick up these backstage buildings and move them anywhere they please, and even if they could, where could they go? There's not a lot of room in the surrounding area. This person argues that the only real spot where anything Star Wars-related might work is in the Autopia/Innoventions spot, the area marked in blue (with the addition of the submarine lagoon, which is not colored in). But even it crosses over the train tracks to what might be the parade warehouse.

[Big Disney Fan]

Okay, seriously. Is Toon Town really going bye-bye or is it just some made-up rumor?

Just a made-up rumor.

Plus, on Laughingplace.com, a seemingly-knowledgeable user called PeterPan1313 has said that Star Wars Land is being planned to be built in the Simba parking lot and become part of California Adventure with the transition to and from that area supposedly being on a bridge over the road between DCA and the Simba lot (similar to how several of DL's attractions got built outside the Railroad tracks).

I don't believe I ever heard of a Star Wars land going in the Simba parking lot.

But now, this was from a few months ago and I only now picked this up, but according to one poster from WDWMagic.com, it seems as though a Star Wars land as replacement for Toontown is all but a done deal. According to the post in question, TDA (meaning Team Disney Anaheim) is already beginning to relocate backstage services behind Toontown off-site and that process will continue into the next year. This project is huge, and they want to open it in 2019, so construction will need to begin in earnest well before the 60th is over in 2016.

That post was put up on March 25th, just so you know, long after the announced closure of Innoventions (but before it finally did close), the update of which was and still is unclear. A rumor was since put up that Star Wars stuff may go in there, but I think that conflicts with the rumor of Toontown being replaced, don't you think?

[disneyphilip]

Just a made-up rumor.

Plus, on Laughingplace.com, a seemingly-knowledgeable user called PeterPan1313 has said that Star Wars Land is being planned to be built in the Simba parking lot and become part of California Adventure with the transition to and from that area supposedly being on a bridge over the road between DCA and the Simba lot (similar to how several of DL's attractions got built outside the Railroad tracks).

I don't believe I ever heard of a Star Wars land going in the Simba parking lot.

But now, this was from a few months ago and I only now picked this up, but according to one poster from WDWMagic.com, it seems as though a Star Wars land as replacement for Toontown is all but a done deal. According to the post in question, TDA (meaning Team Disney Anaheim) is already beginning to relocate backstage services behind Toontown off-site and that process will continue into the next year. This project is huge, and they want to open it in 2019, so construction will need to begin in earnest well before the 60th is over in 2016.

That post was put up on March 25th, just so you know, long after the announced closure of Innoventions (but before it finally did close), the update of which was and still is unclear. A rumor was since put up that Star Wars stuff may go in there, but I think that conflicts with the rumor of Toontown being replaced, don't you think?

Those are still lies. Please stop listening to those phonies and stop bringing this stupid thread back up.

Besides, they can't move backstage services off-site. They have to be on site. Again, the joker who said that is only lying because they have a personal vendetta against Toontown, Autopia, the Nemo Submarines and other things. Heck, those same fibbers already tried spreading lies about Autopia, Nemo, etc. getting scrapped for Star Wars-related things and they obviously did not happen, proving that they are not to be trusted.

In addition for the backstage facilities and services behind Toontown not moving off site due to having to stay on-site, I also must reiterate that Toontown is not only still popular (especially with kids, a big part of DL's bread-and-butter guest demographics), but is also landlocked and it has to close early every night for the fireworks, further proving that those liars are indeed liars. On the same token, ALL of Disneyland Park is landlocked and boxed-in now, so any new expansions like that are downright impossible.

If I were you, I would much rather believe PeterPan1313 (and his far more believable claims of Star Wars Land replacing the Simba parking lot) over at the LaughingPlace.com forums than any of the countless fake "insiders" at WDWMagic.

End of story.

[Big Disney Fan]

[T]hey can't move backstage services off-site. They have to be on site. Again, the joker who said that is only lying because they have a personal vendetta against Toontown, Autopia, the Nemo Submarines and other things. Heck, those same fibbers already tried spreading lies about Autopia, Nemo, etc. getting scrapped for Star Wars-related things and they obviously did not happen, proving that they are not to be trusted.

In addition for the backstage facilities and services behind Toontown not moving off site due to having to stay on-site, I also must reiterate that Toontown is not only still popular (especially with kids, a big part of DL's bread-and-butter guest demographics), but is also landlocked and it has to close early every night for the fireworks, further proving that those liars are indeed liars. On the same token, ALL of Disneyland Park is landlocked and boxed-in now, so any new expansions like that are downright impossible.

Well, don't forget, those "liars" are the same people who hinted at most of the stuff that DID happen at the Disneyland Resort or IS happening right now. These include such things as Luigi's Flying Tires being closed and replaced, the additions of Frozen stuff (whether temporary, like the Frozen event at DCA, or more permanent, like the addition of Arendelle to Storybook Land), the transformation of Condor Flats into Grizzly Park Airfield, and even the return of the Hatbox Ghost to the Haunted Mansion. So not everything they say are lies. And I wouldn't say that expansion at Disneyland is impossible, just very difficult.