Disney to Distribute Ghibli's The Wind Rises

[Super Aurora]

Why?? "Spirited Away" was the only decent film in the past 20 years. I take that back, "Akira" is also in my collection. Don't understand what all the hoopla is over a these films.

Almost all of their films are more profound, witty and intelligent than anything Disney have released after Sleeping Beauty. And Akira, while brilliant, isn't even a Ghibli movie. Ignorance is a bless, I guess.

Exactly. Saved me time posting that! thanks! Though I wouldn't exactly say Sleeping Beauty is profound outside it's art/animation.

Scamander, how dare you? A majority of Disney's films after Sleeping Beauty were profound, witty and intelligent, thank you very much.

How dare he state an opinion!

This thread is dropping my IQ

This post is dropping my I.Q

Scamander, how dare you? A majority of Disney's films after Sleeping Beauty were profound, witty and intelligent, thank you very much.

Somebody sane ! Hallelujah !

Nope. Just someone who's whiney and can't handle someone opinion which is more objective than most people want to believe.

I think I kind of agree with Scamander, but I do love the Disney films, promise.

DisneyJedi and thelittleursula: The Ghibli films may feel more profound because they are not made to necessarily appeal to kids. Most of the WDAS films were made to be family-friendly, and as result the film-makers were limited as to the maturity and breadth of emotions and story ideas they could portray. I'm pretty sure there's tremendous talent at WDAS, and I think there's mutual respect between the two studios, but I think the Japanese artists are luckier because they are allowed to tackle subject matter that Disney management would never allow the WDAS artists to touch with a ten foot pole.

That's why Ghibli make films like Grave of the Fireflies, Ocean Waves, From Up On Poppy Hill, or The Wind Rises. Don't get me wrong, there's probably nothing in these films that is inappropriate for children (an adult film need not be necessarily full of cursing, blood and sex ...), but Disney executives would greatly discourage any director at WDAS (or Pixar) at attempting to tell such stories. They probably reason that children will be bored with an animated drama.

I still am hopeful for a profound and artistic film from WDAS, however. Though I don't think it will happen while Lasseter is chief creative officer.

Thank you. This. You also already explained the Hunchback reason too.


The reason Ghilibi films don't dumb down is because, Japanese films are first and foremost catering to Japanese audience. Japanese have a totally different culture and outlook on things than we do. And their entertainment taste also goes along with it. Japanese tend to go for more story orientated stories and focus on emotions, philosophies and themes. Where as American films tend to go bit difference direction in focusing on humor/comedy, and action. In fact the clear difference can be told even withing Disney itself. Compare Tangled's and Frozen's marketing between the two and the culture/taste differences becomes clear as day.

[DisneyJedi]

Hey, Super Aurora? Being whiny is definitely better than living under a bridge like a troll.

[Super Aurora]

Hey, Super Aurora? Being whiny is definitely better than living under a bridge like a troll.

But I'm not being a troll. Not my fault that you couldn't handle someone opinion. You got mad at him because what he said didn't fit along your line of thinking and maybe also because deep down you know he was right and you couldn't accept that fact and so you felt the need to called out on him.

[thelittleursula]

But I'm not being a troll. Not my fault that you couldn't handle someone opinion. You got mad at him because what he said didn't fit along your line of thinking and maybe also because deep down you know he was right and you couldn't accept that fact and so you felt the need to called out on him.

Says the person that couldn't handle other opinions being expressed and called them "whiny "

maybe also because deep down you know he was right and you couldn't accept that fact

Not my fault that you couldn't handle someone opinion.

*Snorts out Coffee in laughter *

Oh deary me.

deary me.

How Dare he post a Opinion !

If we disagree with your opinions Super Aurora we are whiny and closed minded

If we agree then others who disagree with your opinion are whiny and closed minded even though we are doing the thing that those who are agreeing with your opinion are doing; posting a opinion.

[Super Aurora]

But I'm not being a troll. Not my fault that you couldn't handle someone opinion. You got mad at him because what he said didn't fit along your line of thinking and maybe also because deep down you know he was right and you couldn't accept that fact and so you felt the need to called out on him.

Says the person that couldn't handle other opinions being expressed and called them "whiny "

A more legitimate way of responding to him would be "Scamander, I can see what you're saying but I personally don't fully agree with that statement. I think Disney have always been clever, witty and full of intelligent writing even after Sleeping Beauty! "

not

Scamander, how dare you? A majority of Disney's films after Sleeping Beauty were profound, witty and intelligent, thank you very much.

Which is why I called that post "whiny" because that's exactly what it came across as.

And then you add:

This thread is dropping my IQ

in respond to scamander's post. An ad hominem.


I'd say, you two are worse than anything I've said in this thread.








And since when did I resort to not being able to handle someone's opinion? Cause as far as I recall there is none.

maybe also because deep down you know he was right and you couldn't accept that fact

Not my fault that you couldn't handle someone opinion.

*Snorts out Coffee in laughter *

Oh deary me.

deary me.

The way he gets like that over anyone making remotely anything negative on hand-drawn Disney, I wouldn't be surprise if that deduction is the case. But please continue laughing if it makes you feel better.

How Dare he post a Opinion !

If we disagree with your opinions Super Aurora we are whiny and closed minded

I didn't make any opinion other than agreeing with Scamander, pointing out DJ was being whiny and immature in his response to Scamander, and stating the cultural fact about Japan and it's preferences.
Nor did I call any of you close minded.

Normally, I shouldn't be surprise by this coming from him, but even I think he can respond more respectfully. As much as a reactionary he is, he's not wade. He can be pretty mature with some of the stuff he says.

If we agree then others who disagree with your opinion are whiny and closed minded even though we are doing the thing that those who are agreeing with your opinion are doing; posting a opinion.

The difference is how you handle and address it.



If you hate me that much, you might as well say it in my face now, so I then know I have some more people here who dislike me and what I say. Cause I far as I recall you seems to get overly offended at anything I say.

[PatrickvD]

Since Sleeping Beauty?

Such a statement could only be made around here. One Hundred and One Dalmatians came right after Beauty and is wittier, subtler, has amazing art and is about a billion times less pretentious than half of the Disney animated films that came after it and the entire Ghibli library. But I'm still not surprised this forum can't appreciate the subtleties and artistic achievement of that simple little film.

Not to mention the sheer delight of the expressive animation, which for me will always be lacking from anime. No matter how well done Ghibli's films are. (And yes I am aware that is my personal opinion).

I also find comparing these two types of films to be problematic because of the fundamental cultural differences between America and Japan. Ghibli and Disney are two completely different entities and since Rises will be under the Touchstone label, I don't see a problem here.

[NeoSuperBlissey]

You might want to sit down for this post.

At the Venice Film Festival, Studio Ghibli president Koji Hoshino announced that "The Wind Rises" will be Hayao Miyazaki's last feature film.

“Miyazaki has decided that “Kaze Tachinu” (The Wind Rises) will be his last film, and he will now retire.”

http://variety.com/2013/film/internatio ... 200595053/

[thelittleursula]

If you hate me that much, you might as well say it in my face now, so I then know I have some more people here who dislike me and what I say. Cause I far as I recall you seems to get overly offended at anything I say.

Whoooaaaaaaaaaaaa

I don't hate you Super Aurora. Hate is a very, very, very strong word. I just find some of your posts rather trollish. That's all.

I think we should all just let this Disney VS Ghibli thing go. I was rather emotional and upset before because Aladdin, HOND etc being downright insulted that's all. Hence why I was angry and rather bitchy.

But do I hate you ? No ! I don't even know you.

[Scamander]

Hey,

sorry for the late reply. I was in the hospital for a few days because of a slipped disk and only now read your replies. Thanks for your support @Jules and SuperAurora.

What I said was maybe a little harsh and exaggerated. The truth is, I really love Disney Animation for my whole life. I'm 26 now and with the exception of Chicken Little, I've seen every DAC since The Rescuers Down Under in the cinemas. BUT I realize, that Disney Animation has a totally different focus than Ghibli or Japanese Animation in general and I love both types of animation for different reasons. I just can't stand if someone who clearly never occupied oneself with Ghibli films posts something like "the films after Spirited Away weren't even that good". You may prefer the Art of Disney Animation, but the truth is, that Ghibli is in terms of storytelling far more mature, intelligent and profound. I love both Studios and I didn't insult any of the Disney classics, because they focus on different things!

@Patrick: Funny that you mentioned 101 Dalmatians. I'm a big fan of this film (actually of most of the Reitherman films) and the only reason why I mentioned Sleeping Beauty instead is because of the groundbreaking and complex art, though of course I agree that 101 Dalmatians would have been the better fit for my argument.

[Sotiris]

The English dub will be produced by Frank Marshall. The film will open on November 8th for a one week Oscar-qualifying run at the Landmark Theater on Pico in West Los Angeles.

[Victurtle]

I used to be a huge fan of Studio Ghibli until I came to the very sudden realisation that... I don't like them.

Not all of them, but most of Hayao Miyazaki's films. The other directors in the company tend to produce films which fit your descriptions of 'thoughtful', namely Grave of the Fireflies. The only Hayao exception I can think of is Nausicaa, but only because that too had a war theme.

Hayao is in my opinion, the Japanese John Lassetter. He's formulaic, bias to his own style, and fires directors who try otherwise. His story telling is very simply. For example - Totoro, about two girls who discover Totoro. They have fun. They needed some sort of conflict, so the youngest daughter goes missing. Then they find her, with Totoro's friend the Catbus. This took 2 hours. Sure the mother is sick, but then at the end she is suddenly better. There is no story. There is no food for thought. This is a child's tale at heart, and doesn't try to be anything more.

Spirited Away is very much the same. The conflict was simply resolved by taking to Yubaba's sister. I don't even remember the 'conflict' of Ponyo, and I saw it 5 times.

The appeal is in the imagination and fantasy of these films. That's why they have such long runtimes, because of the attention to detail.

Studio Ghibli do not tend to produce story driven pieces like Disney and Pixar. It's very much character based. Hence the simplicity of storylines. However even so, I would argue they don't even go far into analysing these characters. The best example I think is Howl's Moving Castle. Hayao basically cut the story novel/storyline, taking only the first 3 or so chapters that introduced the characters. Then there is a war, and finally the movie is resolved when Howl and Sophie confess their love for each other. They simply, perhaps accurately reflect emotions, but they don't analyse them. I think Studio Ghibli isn't food for thought, they simply like putting realistic human emotions within a fantasy context.

[ajmrowland]

^I would somewhat beg to differ. While there is some formula, It definitely seems looser than most studios here in the west, and I used to not like their films too much but have grown to love them.

Super Aurora made some great points about cultural differences, mutual respect, and the like. Disney still commands a certain level of respect for their features, and there's barely anyone working in animation today whom I saw berating studio Ghibli.

[Little Red Henski]

I would've preferred Gkids to handle The Wind Rises. The job Disney did Arrietty dub ( Dumbed down script, Disney Channel Song inserted ) left a lot to be desired. Also Disney will not go all out to get the bonus features from Ghibli like Gkids or Studio Canal would. Hopefully the Brits make their own dub again in case of Disney does another horrible job.

[Sotiris]

The film is slated for limited release in North American theaters on Feb. 21, 2014, and expanded release on Feb. 28, 2014, under the Touchstone Pictures banner. The Wind Rises will also open for Academy Award® qualification engagements in New York and Los Angeles Nov. 8-14, 2013, showcasing the original film in Japanese with English subtitles.

Source: http://www.awn.com/news/places/disney-s ... wind-rises

Geoffrey Wexler and Frank Marshall will exec produce a dubbed version of Hayao Miyazaki’s “The Wind Rises,” with Gary Rydstrom directing and the voice cast to be announced soon. When North American distrib Disney opens the film Nov. 8-14 in New York and L.A. for an Oscar-qualifying run, it will be the subtitled version. But when the film bows in a limited release Feb. 21, before expanding, audiences will have the chance to see either a dubbed or subtitled version. Wexler, chief of the international division at Studio Ghibli in Tokyo, admitted that many Miyazaki fans want to see it in the original form, but the visuals are so important, some people want to watch the images, not read. So he urged: “Purists, just give it a chance.”

Source: http://variety.com/2013/film/news/toron ... 200608439/

[Lady Cluck]

This will be a serious contender for the Oscar as a farewell to Miyazaki and considering the relatively weak field.

[estefan]

I'm surprised they're not releasing it earlier in the month, as soon as the Oscar nominations are announced. I guess they need time to put the publicity and marketing together.

[JTurner]

I would've preferred Gkids to handle The Wind Rises. The job Disney did Arrietty dub ( Dumbed down script, Disney Channel Song inserted ) left a lot to be desired.

I dunno, I've liked all the dubs Disney did for Ghibli's movies. Arrietty wasn't my favorite, but it certainly wasn't bad in my opinion. I did like Bridget Mendler's performance and Carol Burnett was very good as Hara, although the second song at the closing credits was a mistake. Still, all the Disney dubs have great performances to them: Mark Hamill was fantastic as Colonel Muska in Laputa, as was Cloris Leachman as Dola (both really MADE the dub for me), Phil Hartman (God rest his soul) made Jiji for me, Keith David, Minnie Driver, and Billy Crudup were all fantastic in Princess Mononoke, Kimberly Williams-Paisley stole Porco Rosso's dub for me... the list goes on and on.

That said, the non-Disney dubs of these movies aren't all universally superior. I haven't seen Arrietty's alternate dub, but I can vouch for the following. The only non-Disney dub of Ghibli that I liked was Totoro, as that was the version I saw first. But I thought the Fannings did a good job too. Kiki's older dub wasn't too horrible either. However, when it comes to Nausicaa, Laputa, and Porco Rosso, dub-wise, there's no contest: Disney's dubs for all three surpass their counterparts, hands down. All three movies suffered from truly horrible early dubs. Nausicaa was basically bastardized into "Warriors of the Wind". Laputa's older dub, despite being less chatty than Disney's otherwise fine version, was dull, emotionless, and sloppily written (even the leads in Disney's version, IMO, turned in far better performances than their '80s counterparts. Younger though they may have sounded, neither Barbara nor Lara were convincing or emotional as Pazu or Sheeta). Porco Rosso's older dub was not particularly well received either.

Sorry if this turned into a longer post, but I'm an absolute nerd when it comes to the Ghibli movies, and I think Disney's dubs have been nothing but great. They're not without their faults, but I certainly haven't heard one I disliked.