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SWillie! wrote:
JustOneBite87 wrote: You have no idea what Disney's tentative plans are for Gargoyles in the future. The show could very well see a full release on DVD in the next year or two.

Oh, and DVDs are digital. Hence "Digital Video Disc". And desiring a physical format and collection over online streaming isn't being grumpy, it's expressing a preference.
Of course I have no idea what their plans are. It was an educated guess. I'll happily admit I was wrong if and when it does happen. But it won't, because ALL signs point to a digital future.

And don't get all technical on me just for the sake of arguing. DVD is a physical format. You know full well that's what I meant.
Well, to be honest, while digital has it's benefits, people have been saying for years the future is digital, and yet(correct me if I'm wrong), DVD still makes up about %90 of all home entertainment purchases.

Also, you forget one key factor: bonus features that we already complain about being skimped on are even less likely to be made packaged with a download of a movie. I mean, Itunes and PSN store havent been pushing them exactly.
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Why do I like physical DVDs more than downloads?

Because this:

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both looks better and has more content than this:
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Also, legally you cannot copy a digital to a DVD. A majority of movie downloads are the barebones movie. Not the extras many DVDs come with including commentary, behind the scenes, galleries, bloopers, interviews, games, etc.

And like I said, downloads can be "stolen" from owners, even after they have been paid for. They have the technology to take them right off our devices. When was the last time a company went into someone's home and said, "Sorry, since you purchased this from Walmart 8 months ago and Walmart no longer has the right to sell it, we are taking it back...here's your $30 back. Have a nice day."

Digitals are cheaper, but you also get what you pay for...less content and the chance they may take it back from you one day.
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^I doubt they'll really go that far, but they'll probably block you fom re-downloading if you delete it and the same circumstances come up. But that's still a long shot. I use PSN and they still have obscure things from 5 or 6 years ago.
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Well, obviously you wouldn't use the generic quicktime file image for your cover art... duh. That's an invalid argument. That's like saying this:

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is the same as this:

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I've gone into this whole physical/digital debate way too many times on here. Bottom line is, we aren't there yet, but it's coming. The extras will come with it, the art will come with it, and it will continue becoming more and more practical over the next few years. So you can either embrace it or fall behind the times. That's fine if you don't care and you'd rather do so, but by complaining about it you just sound like a grumpy old codger who wants his walkman back.
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It is not an invalid argument. What cover art? Coverart does not come with digital as the items are suppose to remain digital. Why should I spend time and money designing or downloading coverart, to print it, and then add it to a blank case when I could just BUY it all at once? Honestly my printer is not the best and ink is expensive. If I printed my own cover art for all my DVDs, I'd be buying a cartridge a week. And again, what about the extra content? And if they release all the extra content digitally...its still illegal to make copies of it. And even if it was legal the extra content means I'd need a whole new computer to burn them onto bigger DVDs/Blurays. Again more money spent when I can just purchase everything together. It would be like selling a car in pieces and you put it together yourself. I rather buy the whole car.

And they CAN take away the downloads you purchased, I posted a link above of Amazon doing that EXACT thing. And that is not the first time it happened. If iTunes loses the rights to distribute a movie, then you could lose the right to own it. They send you a refund and you have no legal grounds to do a damn thing about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/techn ... mazon.html

That's fine you think I am grumpy and want my walkman back...wait till the day comes when you download a movie and then lose it cause they weren't suppose to distribute it...then see who is grumpy.

And its illegal to make copies of the digital downloads. So until the law changes, the coverart and such won't be sold so readily. The law needs to change before we go 100% digital, IMO.

Again, and one more time....have you ever heard of any company taking physical, legal, DVDs/CDs/books, away from anyone? I am all for a digital copy sold WITH a physical one, but IMO they should continue selling physical copies with or without digital copies.
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Ironically. I was just now checking out the fine print of Disney Movies Online, and came across this bit of info.
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I don't have any idea idea what you're going on about printing stuff... Why would you do that? The point of digital distribution isn't to make your own physical copies... It's supposed to remain digital.
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I'm not going to keep arguing with people who I am obviously not going to agree with. And that's fine.

I will however call attention to the fact that Episode 39 "Sentinel" has not been uploaded. Whether this is an oversight or not is anyone's guess. Still, that's extremely irritating. I will be shocked if Disney gives these episodes a second thought much less goes back and uploads what is missing.
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Well yes, of course we aren't going to agree. But at the end of the day, your points about laws and the option to take rights away at any time are completely true- and that why I've been saying that while we aren't there yet, it IS coming. Things will get better and better until it is practical in those ways that it isn't today.
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jpanimation wrote: Most people use a combination of DVRs and Netflix to watch what they want, when they want. I can't remember the last time I didn't watch something off my DVR, since I can't be bothered remembering schedules. Hell, I have HBO and yet I only use HBO GO.
"Most people" huh? Who are "Most people?" Do you mean "Most people" or you? 20th Century thinking my friend. What you are fighting for is the newest version of an old idea. Let the powers that be dictate to you when you get to watch something and for how long. As for how much you care about these shows, you may not care enough past a single DVR viewing, but MOST PEOPLE do.

I use NetFlix to decide if I want to buy the DVD. I know a lot of people that do that.

SWillie! wrote:Just more proof that the future is digital. These will not be coming out on DVD, no matter how bad some of you want that to happen. Evolve with the times or turn into grumpy old men, people.
I've worked too hard to see that happen. Do you know the wise words of the great Yogi Barra, "it ain't over till it's over?" This fight has just started friend. I'd rather you help out, but if you'd rather sit back and watch the rest of us pull off a miracle, at least please sit there and be a witness to Disney history.

JustOneBite87 wrote:
I will however call attention to the fact that Episode 39 "Sentinel" has not been uploaded. Whether this is an oversight or not is anyone's guess. Still, that's extremely irritating. I will be shocked if Disney gives these episodes a second thought much less goes back and uploads what is missing.
AMEN! Back when I had a Disney contact at DHE and had been told about the great plans for this show, I had honestly thought the fight was done and it was just a matter of waiting. I was shocked, SHOCKED, when I found out that the powers that be decided to pull this move instead, leaving the DVD's in limbo. NOT COOL!


For the "digital download/ iTunes" people: Here's the thing, cutting to the chase. I think the argument for why DVD's (or Blu-ray's) are THE preferred form of media has been made. Now I realize that despite these very valid points, some of you still prefer spending money to rent (in the case of these Gargoyles episodes for right now, same idea without the money part) these titles until Disney decides to pull the plug on you.

And truth be told, I'm not against any Disney Afternoon show end up on NetFlix or iTunes. In fact, I hope each and everyone do end up on both as it would only further push these classic shows with a new audience that may not be as familiar with them, but are willing to try them out without spending money on them. Anyway, I'd even be willing to add something like this to my campaign efforts.

However, DVD's (and/ or Blu-ray's) will always be the center of any campaign activities I work for. I want to pay for these shows ONCE, and be able to watch them when ever I darn well please. I want to be able to watch these with my kids, and then 20 years later with my grand kids. And I want to know that I will be able to watch all 100 episode of "DuckTales" always.

Fact is, there just isn't the same dependability with digital, despite the fact that Disney seems to be pushing it hard. But they serve as a great way for new fans to test these shows out, or for us old fans to enjoy them until the DVD's come out. But mark my words, the DVD's WILL COME OUT. I'm not resting until they do. So I ask you iTunes people, please help me help you. We can achieve both if we work together. Help me make sure Disney knows that these shows still matter.
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SMH. You people are really fishing to make free episodes a bad thing :?
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And again, as jp animation has said... If you DOWNLOAD the episodes RIGHT NOW, you will own them FOREVER. No one will be able to take them away from you. Ever. They will be at least DVD quality, if not higher.
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SWillie! wrote:And again, as jp animation has said... If you DOWNLOAD the episodes RIGHT NOW, you will own them FOREVER. No one will be able to take them away from you. Ever. They will be at least DVD quality, if not higher.
The youtube uploads of season one and season two are actually inferior to the DVDs resolution wise. Lots of macroblocking but still leagues above most of what else has been posted to youtube. I will take screen caps of both sources for comparisons sake.
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SWillie! wrote:And again, as jp animation has said... If you DOWNLOAD the episodes RIGHT NOW, you will own them FOREVER. No one will be able to take them away from you. Ever. They will be at least DVD quality, if not higher.
You cannot guarantee you have them forever. I am sure the buyers on Amazon Kindle thought they purchased their books forever too and they lost them.
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JustOneBite87 wrote:
SWillie! wrote:And again, as jp animation has said... If you DOWNLOAD the episodes RIGHT NOW, you will own them FOREVER. No one will be able to take them away from you. Ever. They will be at least DVD quality, if not higher.
The youtube uploads of season one and season two are actually inferior to the DVDs resolution wise. Lots of macroblocking but still leagues above most of what else has been posted to youtube. I will take screen caps of both sources for comparisons sake.
Yeah, I got some macroblocking trying to watch on Xbox Live Youtube. Plus they kept buffering. I don't have such problems with Netflix and such.
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Siren wrote:
SWillie! wrote:And again, as jp animation has said... If you DOWNLOAD the episodes RIGHT NOW, you will own them FOREVER. No one will be able to take them away from you. Ever. They will be at least DVD quality, if not higher.
You cannot guarantee you have them forever. I am sure the buyers on Amazon Kindle thought they purchased their books forever too and they lost them.
Do you not understand the definition of DOWNLOAD? If you download them, you have the actual FILE. Not a link, not a stream... An actual file. Just like your personal pictures and word documents. It would be on your computer, and you would own it for as long as you decided you wanted to keep that file. The users of kindles don't have actual files to work with on their harddrive- they only have purchases made through amazon that are synced to their device. There is a difference. Just like Disney could never take away the hundred or so DVDs that I have ripped, they would never be able to take away the YouTube files that you could rip. that just not how digital ownership works.
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SWillie! wrote:
Siren wrote: You cannot guarantee you have them forever. I am sure the buyers on Amazon Kindle thought they purchased their books forever too and they lost them.
Do you not understand the definition of DOWNLOAD? If you download them, you have the actual FILE. Not a link, not a stream... An actual file. Just like your personal pictures and word documents. It would be on your computer, and you would own it for as long as you decided you wanted to keep that file. The users of kindles don't have actual files to work with on their harddrive- they only have purchases made through amazon that are synced to their device. There is a difference. Just like Disney could never take away the hundred or so DVDs that I have ripped, they would never be able to take away the YouTube files that you could rip. that just not how digital ownership works.
Do you own a Kindle? Do you understand you DOWNLOAD books? Did you read my link about how DOWNLOADED books on Kindlr devices were ripped off? Legally you are not allowed to download off Youtube so that is a moot point anyways. But the Amazon cudtomers PURCHASED books which.they DOWNLOADED and Amazon ripped the books right off Kindles everywhere and REFUNDED MONEY. They were not links, who pays for links? They were actual file.purchases! Duh yourself lol
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Siren wrote:
SWillie! wrote: Do you not understand the definition of DOWNLOAD? If you download them, you have the actual FILE. Not a link, not a stream... An actual file. Just like your personal pictures and word documents. It would be on your computer, and you would own it for as long as you decided you wanted to keep that file. The users of kindles don't have actual files to work with on their harddrive- they only have purchases made through amazon that are synced to their device. There is a difference. Just like Disney could never take away the hundred or so DVDs that I have ripped, they would never be able to take away the YouTube files that you could rip. that just not how digital ownership works.
Do you own a Kindle? Do you understand you DOWNLOAD books? Did you read my link about how DOWNLOADED books on Kindlr devices were ripped off? Legally you are not allowed to download off Youtube so that is a moot point anyways. But the Amazon cudtomers PURCHASED books which.they DOWNLOADED and Amazon ripped the books right off Kindles everywhere and REFUNDED MONEY. They were not links, who pays for links? They were actual file.purchases! Duh yourself lol
My family owns a kindle and I understand full well how it works. And again, you don't seem to be understanding what kind of files you're working with here. Since kindle files are purchases straight from amazon, they have the rights to "turn the files off" and refund the money, as was the case in your link. However, by ripping a YouTube video, you are creating your OWN file, one which no one has power like that over. No one would be able to take it away from you, ever. And downloading YouTube videos is most certainly NOT illegal. A simple web search will tell you as much. Any content obtained from a legal source and used for personal, non-commercial use is indeed legal. It's the same idea as ripping a cd or dvd to your computer. You are ripping a completely legal copy for your own personal use, and nothing about it is illegal until you start to distribute it or use it for commercial purposes. This has been proven in court cases. Again, it seems like some here simply don't understand how digital ownership works.
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yeah, just type Youtubedownloader HD and Illegal in the search bar and either way, I've been using that program for years and nobody can catch on. Anything illegal on youtube is reported if the content owner cares about it and youtube is free, so nothing gets stolen unless it's already stolen and you use the direct links to even get the video.

And even then, only when it's reported by the copyright is it taken off the website. Hence the availability of all those Song of the South uploads and free Yu-gi-oh! episodes, because the copyright owners dont give a shit about thoise, but you wont find an unaltered pixar film(recording your own commentary is legal, for example) because Disney <3 Pixar.


And it's not entirely invalid to think that downloads can be taken away. Playstation Plus subscribtion runs out, and suddenly you have limited time to play the game you downloaded for $5.00. It was Bolt, so I didnt waste much money there, and I quickly had a huge value for $50 a year with free AC multiplayers and some other things, but if you dont renew a subscription, things can get taken away.

But I have never heard of this happening for a movie from a basic download service. That's just stupid, but I guess it's to prevent piracy. Which is stupid. They really should've cornered pirates 10 years ago to stifle them, but of course the ethical questions are still in play. But the weird thing is that most of these downloads are copy protected, so you really have to bypass that too. I found a way, but that was because I wanted to watch on my tv and the PS3 download takes much longer than Itunes. It was for a tv show and I never distributed it.

I guess I need to learn how much a dollar is worth. :P
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SWillie! wrote:But at the end of the day, your points about laws and the option to take rights away at any time are completely true- and that why I've been saying that while we aren't there yet, it IS coming.
If and when that happens people can always re-evaluate their position on the matter. However, it's improbable that things like geo-lock or copyright laws will ever change. You can't expect people to embrace digital distribution now when it currently has much more limitations than physical media.
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