Frozen (formerly The Snow Queen) - Part II

[Lnds500]

I seriously feel like I'm in some sort of alternate dimension whenever this movie comes up.

No one will even notice this film. In fact, no one cares about this film but you.

I actually feel really frustrated averytime it's mentioned. Nobody cares!

I do.

I know Wizard's Snow Queen is not part of this thread but I really want to see this film. I definitely don't get why all the hate, the prejudice and the snubbing. It's not the greatest work of animation ever, it's not Disney, Pixar or DreamWorks, it's foreign but give the film a chance people! Toy Story's animation is subpar for today's standards as well, but it still IS and amazing film. People aren't so judgemental of "Arjun: The Warrior Prince"... but yeah, that's distributed by Disney so it automatically is superior to everything else.

This doesn't have quality animation as well, but I've only heard good things about it.

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Neither did this.

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There are countless examples like this out there.

I wish this movie would be kept out of this thread. It looks mediocre and will be forgotten the minute it leaves theaters.

I really like you but your post is wrong and prejudiced in so many ways!

How do you know? have you watched it? Are you a psychic and can predict the future? Seriously...

Foreign animated films that achieve any kind of success only come from talented filmmakers, like Miyazaki and Nick Park.

That's very short-sighted. Also, making a "successful film" and making a "good film" are two different things. Many films have not become mainstream in the US, that does not mean they weren't worth it.

Wizart (even the name is a desperate Disney/Pixar knock-off) exists to sell dvd's accidentally bought by clueless soccer moms who can't tell the difference between Disney, Dreamworks and that whole line of cheap re-makes, like Ratatoing.

How in the name did you come up with that? What's so wrong about the name Wizard? where are the similarities between the names Wizard/Disney or Wizard/Pixar cause I honestly can't find any!
Also, to my knowledge, that's their first project, it's NOT a Disney remake as you make it out to be, nor are they associated with the rip-offs. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Sorry for being off-topic.

[Mooky]

Lnds500, for your post.

[Polizzi]

Sorry for being off-topic.

Me too. Look, I have no intention to bring this up again. I was just trying to let you know that Wizart's release date might affect Disney's release date now that two adaptations of The Snow Queen is in the same year since this year's Snow White adaptations.

[TheValentineBros]

Oh no! Does this mean, Frozen will be cancelled?



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What? No.

[DisneyAnimation88]

I was just trying to let you know that Wizart's release date might affect Disney's release date now that two adaptations of The Snow Queen is in the same year since this year's Snow White adaptations.

I get what you're trying to do but I really can't see this film affecting Disney's Frozen; for one thing, Wizart's film is being released right at the beginning of January while Frozen comes out next November so there's no chance of them overlapping or detracting attention from each other. The two Snow White films you mentioned were both big-budget Hollywood films that were released within a couple of months of each other so its not really an equal comparion between the two sets of films. I don't really have any interest in the Wizart film or an opinion about it, but I really don't think it will be any kind of threat to Frozen.

[SWillie!]

I do.

I, for one, have nothing against the film itself. I'm sure it has its merits. But its the obsessive way that it continues to be brought up that is turning me away from it.

Over a year later, and some people are seriously still in the mindset that it will affect Disney's release IN ANY WAY?? Regardless of how good a film it may turn out to be, 99% of the population will never even know it exists, simply because it is a low budget foreign film. Should people dismiss something for those reasons? Maybe not. DO people dismiss things for those reasons? Absolutely.

Stop hijacking the thread with this stuff. That's why a thread was created specifically for this movie.

[Wonderlicious]

It's not the greatest work of animation ever, it's not Disney, Pixar or DreamWorks, it's foreign but give the film a chance people! Toy Story's animation is subpar for today's standards as well, but it still IS and amazing film.

Yes, but one automatically takes the film's animation into historical context. Toy Story may look a bit outdated in terms of animation today, but it was a completely groundbreaking film. Similarly, the animation of the human characters in Snow White isn't as good as in later films (Sleeping Beauty, Peter Pan, Cinderella etc), but the film still holds up as well because we understand that it was a first attempt and that the same animators would go on to handle human characters more effectively (e.g. compare Snow White to Aurora, or the Queen to Maleficent). However, the characters in The Snow Queen look like sloppy dummies, sort of a misguided attempt at creating Tangled-style characters on a much smaller budget. Had they created a style that would better suit the budget, then I'm sure there would be far fewer complaints.

I wish this movie would be kept out of this thread. It looks mediocre and will be forgotten the minute it leaves theaters.

I really like you but your post is wrong and prejudiced in so many ways!

How do you know? have you watched it? Are you a psychic and can predict the future? Seriously...

Erm, he's judging from the trailer, which is fair enough. And to be honest, does anyone for one second believe that a film from a small Russian studio evidently trying to imitate the Disney style would ever create that big a splash in the US market? I'm sure that the only way this film would find much of an audience outside Russia is if a company picks it up and releases it as a budget DVD aimed at parents and children daft enough to think they're actually buying Frozen before it's even hit cinemas.

But look at the bright side, at least Disney changed the name to avoid similarities.

Wow, Disney seems to be so much feebler than they used to be!

[TsWade2]

Oh no! Does this mean, Frozen will be cancelled?



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What do you mean? Are you trying to troll?

No, I'm just worried.

[Edthehyena]

Some stuff i adore from Andersen original story : the evil queen stealing love/friendship (kay) from another girl (gerda), the contagious frozen spell from the mirror turning people stark and cold, the spring rose theme versus the snowflake theme…. that's all. I hope Disney will use that instead of creating EVERYTHING new. Creating new synopsis out of the blue can be OK, even better than the source sometimes, but when you have such good original stuff, you should be clever enough to use it ( like Howard and Greno did using the magic plant, the magic tear and so).

All what we know is we will have the magnificent queen and magnificent palace, the cold, the travel. The rest appears to me more and more like a kind of mid-quel, spin-off movie. It's like the real story of the snow queen, her family, her origins, the story of how her sister brought her back with the help of snowman, mountainman and reindeer… Kay and Gerda are from another story, another chronicle, another episode. Just two kids Elsa messed with in the meantime, you see what i mean ? Well, that's how i see things now.

Cause there are many things i never liked from Andersen original story : it is so, so long, complex, religious, too much symbolic vibe… And worst of all : we never know WHO is that queen, where does she come from, what does she want, why does she abduct Kay, why does she want him doing that stupid puzzle and writing the word "ETERNITY"… and above all, what becomes of her at the end of the tale ? Gerda arrives, kisses Kay then flies away with him. The Queen never tries to catch them back. The Queen is never defeated, nor healed or anything. We forget her suddenly.
I'm very thankful to the Disney talents to create for us a real and dramatic background story, believable origins, and a whole elaborate mythology around that fascinating character.

[JustOneBite87]

The plotline for this film has changed drastically from what I saw this time last year at the studio and I'm not too thrilled about it.

[Sotiris]

The plotline for this film has changed drastically from what I saw this time last year at the studio and I'm not too thrilled about it.

Could you tell us what was it supposed to be back then?

[JustOneBite87]

The plotline for this film has changed drastically from what I saw this time last year at the studio and I'm not too thrilled about it.

Could you tell us what was it supposed to be back then?

Closer to the original story in that the protagonist were at least named Gerda and Kai. There was no "Princess Anna" at the time but I suppose they just had to work in a princess somehow. The character designs were still being fine-tuned but I saw quite a few CGI models and storyboards and it looked quite beautiful. They had even gone to the design archives and had some vintage Walt-era art on display from when he apparently had tried to take a crack at the story decades ago.

[Sotiris]

Was also the character of the Snow Queen different? Was Menken still attached to the project last year?

[JustOneBite87]

Was also the character of the Snow Queen different? Was Menken still attached to the project last year?

Not sure about Menken and his involvement. I do know the title of Frozen was definitely settled upon at latest by Autumn of last year.

[Sotiris]

Do you recall anything else about the previous version? Was there a romantic element between Gerda and Kai? Was the Snow Queen her sister who could control the ice elements like she is now?

[Jules]

They had even gone to the design archives and had some vintage Walt-era art on display from when he apparently had tried to take a crack at the story decades ago.

I wish they'd stop worshipping older Disney art and look to the future, instead of the past.

[Sotiris]

Darrin Butters then showed us concept art for the company’s 2013 release, Frozen. Based on Hans Christian Anderson’s The Snow Queen, this film version appears to be like Tangled, in that it takes the basic premise, but turns it towards someplace new. I was hoping to see some rough animation, but the art still has me intrigued.

The music for Frozen is being composed by the husband/wife songwriting duo of Robert Lopez and Kristen Anderson-Lopez. They did an incredible job on 2011′s Winnie the Pooh, and if the song we were previewed (titled Let It Go) is any indication, the rest of the songs may be just as memorable. Let It Go played as a declaration, but also as a lament in a way, both touching and heartbreaking at the same time. Sad that I’ll just have the song stuck in my head until I see the film next year.

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Frozen will focus on the emotional connection between two sisters, Anna and Elsa. Anna, a free spirit and something of a “screw up” will be voiced by Kristen Bell. The regal and graceful Elsa will be voiced by Idina Menzel. Elsa’s worry is that she may be the fulfillment of an evil prophecy; that she may one day be the “ruler with the frozen heart.” Two other characters were also revealed: Kristoff, a mountain man who accompanies Elsa in her quest to find the Snow Queen, and Olaf, a talking snowman. Olaf is a creation of Elsa, albeit a somewhat flawed early effort. He is depicted as naïve, charming, and not very bright.

Described as “a race against time and the elements,” Frozen promises to prove that the love of family can melt even the coldest of hearts. As a special surprise, a new song, Let It Go, written for the character of Elsa, was performed live, accompanied by images used in development of the film.

Source: http://www.laughingplace.com/News-PID10 ... 051531.asp

[Super Aurora]

The plotline for this film has changed drastically from what I saw this time last year at the studio and I'm not too thrilled about it.

And I can guess why.

It seems to me Disney is going on a Wicked fad of lately.

Just now the going to release a OZ picture that talks of the past. They apparently making Maleficent movie in which the plot is similar to Wicked and that Maleficent was "misunderstood". And now they're doing same for Frozen to some extent, not to mention even hiring Idina Menzel to voice the "misunderstood" antagonist.

[SWillie!]

They had even gone to the design archives and had some vintage Walt-era art on display from when he apparently had tried to take a crack at the story decades ago.

I wish they'd stop worshipping older Disney art and look to the future, instead of the past.

While I agree that they should always be looking to the future, I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with having artwork from throughout the history of the studio there for the current artists to be inspired by. In fact, I think it would be ridiculous if they didn't.

[Edthehyena]

Like all of you i love when Disney stays true to the core of the original story, and i would have loved to see Disney Kay and Gerda (JustOneBite87 saw them, lucky one). But..

Yeah. "The plotline has changed drastically "

No one mention that very simple clue why Disney HAD to give up Kay and Gerda story... It would have meant a male character stuck during all the movie in the frozen palace... that difficult part of the tale may have be the reason why the movie was so difficult and long to achieve during the years. Disney NEEDS a male lead skiing, sliding among avalanches and snow whirls... So he HAD to be a man the heroic girl meets during her travel. Thanks to that decision, the movie can finally reach us so we should not blame them.
Anyway, the guy can't be named kay anymore and the girl needs another goal than just saving a friend : saving the world and saving the snow queen herself, especially if that queen is a slibing of hers. The princess elements just come from the fact that there's a queen. So her sister logically is a princess.

All fits.