The Lost Chords

[Atlantica]

Does this get a UK release at all ?

[bruno_wbt]

Do you know if The Little Mermaid has any deleted song?

Could it be in this collection?

[Jay]

Do you know if The Little Mermaid has any deleted song?

Could it be in this collection?

"Silence is Golden" was the original song for Ursula but Howard Ashman hated it so he threw it out and wrote PUS. Pat Carroll never recorded that song but there is a demo of Ashman singing it on the DVD. I also heard Eric was suppose to get a song but the voice actor wasn't confident enough to sing. I'm not sure how true that is or if a song was ever even written for him.

There are extended versions of "Fathoms Below" and Poor Unfortunate Souls". Both go more into the history of Triton and Ursula. The extended scenes were on the DVD release a few years back. Also Ariel was suppose to reprise "Part of That World" at the end when she came out of the sea as a human but for some reason that was scrapped.

[Atlantica]

I actually really liked the alternate ending, with Ariel coming out of the sea singing Part Of That World to Eric, think it worked.

[Jay]

I actually really liked the alternate ending, with Ariel coming out of the sea singing Part Of That World to Eric, think it worked.

I know me to it made everything kinda come full circle I thought.

[Disney Duster]

"Silence is Golden" was the original song for Ursula but Howard Ashman hated it so he threw it out and wrote PUS. Pat Carroll never recorded that song but there is a demo of Ashman singing it on the DVD.

Don't you mean Alan Menken wrote PUS and sang it on the DVD?

I actually really liked the alternate ending, with Ariel coming out of the sea singing Part Of That World to Eric, think it worked.

I know me to it made everything kinda come full circle I thought.

I concur, that ending was beyong beautiful and I think would have ended the movie even better!!! Likely to make me get closer to tears or at least chills.

[qindarka]

Do you know if The Little Mermaid has any deleted song?

Could it be in this collection?

Theres this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ioj0PZ9v2U

[bruno_wbt]

Do you know if The Little Mermaid has any deleted song?

Could it be in this collection?

Theres this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ioj0PZ9v2U

I love this song!

Thanks!

[SpringHeelJack]

"Silence is Golden" was the original song for Ursula but Howard Ashman hated it so he threw it out and wrote PUS. Pat Carroll never recorded that song but there is a demo of Ashman singing it on the DVD.

Don't you mean Alan Menken wrote PUS and sang it on the DVD?

They both wrote it, but I'm pretty sure Howard is singing it on the DVD. He's definitely singing it on the demo I have.

[Disney's Divinity]

Likely to make me get closer to tears or at least chills.

I think that’s been easy to achieve with the ending they already have, for most people.

I doubt TLM will have a Lost Chords, but it would be nice anyway. But I find it very hard to believe that “One Dance” is a deleted song from the film. It’s abominable, and wasn’t it part of that cheap DVD that came with the Platinum Edition that had a bunch of other songs that are spin-offs from the film itself.

[PatrickvD]

I was thinking, with Hunchback and Mulan on the horizon, I hope they'll get this treatment as well.

I don't think the original, unedited version of Reflection was ever released in any way right? I still find it superior to the short version in the film.

[Jay]

"Silence is Golden" was the original song for Ursula but Howard Ashman hated it so he threw it out and wrote PUS. Pat Carroll never recorded that song but there is a demo of Ashman singing it on the DVD.

Don't you mean Alan Menken wrote PUS and sang it on the DVD?

Howard Ashman sang the demo. Pat Carroll states on the DVD she asked him to record a demo for her and he did:


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[Chernabog]

Again the BIG PROBLEM of getting this - for us outside of the US. I´m so sick and tired of this strategy of just making it available for people on the American north continent. What about the rest of us?

Anyone who is willing to help me out with this?

[PatrickvD]

Again the BIG PROBLEM of getting this - for us outside of the US. I´m so sick and tired of this strategy of just making it available for people on the American north continent. What about the rest of us?

Anyone who is willing to help me out with this?

They're available in the Dutch iTunes. Have you tried downloading them some other way?

[ProfessorRatigan]

Howard Ashman sang the demo. Pat Carroll states on the DVD she asked him to record a demo for her and he did:

Well, actually, Ashman always recorded demos for his songs. I think Pat Carroll actually mentioned on the DVD that she and he were in a waiting room and she asked him to sing it for her on the spot and he did. (And her going on about how, "I ate him up," is just hysterical!) He actually recorded all of the demos before the parts had even been cast, as a template for what he wanted the actors to replicate in their renditions. That's why there are demos of EVERY Ashman/Menken song. Not just Poor Unfortunate Souls, but Fathoms Below, Part of Your World, Under the Sea, Kiss the Girl, etc. Same with the songs in Beauty and the Beast and the (unfortunately) deleted songs in Aladdin. The majority of the demos are Ashman singing, but there are several in which Menken sings. (Mostly the softer, ballad type songs like Part of Your World, which Ashman felt he didn't have the range for. And in all the later ones where Ashman was too sick, Menken took over, which is why I don't think there is a demo of Something There.)

You really get the sense that Ashman was the real...how do I say it...force behind those songs. Menken has always seemed like a Yes Man to me since Ashman's death. Cut a song? Sure! Re-write? A-okay! New, terrible songs for the Broadway show that pale next to the original score? Fine by me! He doesn't really seem to put his foot down. And there are always FAR more deleted songs on the non-Ashman Menken collaborations. (Pocahontas had SEVERAL. Hunchback had three or so. I'm not sure about Hercules, but I know Tangled had a few, and the Snow Queen, which obviously didn't manifest into anything...I wonder if we'll ever get to hear those in the future.) Other than Aladdin, which occurred after his death, there are relatively few Ashman-penned songs that got deleted. Silence is Golden is one. Human Again is another. But I think that's it. There were, however, a lot of lyric cuts. (Most all of them for time. The full version of Poor Unfortunate Souls is absolutely vital, and I don't understand at all how they could have cut the entire middle of the song like they did. I will never unhear Ashman's AMAZING rendition of the FULL version of that song. To me, he IS the definitive Ursula. I love Pat Carroll, but Ashman's Poor Unfortunate Souls puts the film's version to shame! Same with Ashman's demo of Friend Like Me. Robin Williams, eat your heart out!)

I love Menken and respect him, but I always got the sense that Ashman was more of a fighter when it came to dealing with pressure from the studio. When Katzenberg tried cutting Part of Your World, Ashman flipped. He went berserk and, with the help of Glen Keane, was instrumental in keeping the song in the film. When Ashman died and Katzenberg wanted to cut Proud of Your Boy from Aladdin, Ashman wasn't there to defend it, and the song was history. As were the rest of his songs (besides the [heavily edited] Arabian Nights, Friend Like Me and Prince Ali) It's sad, really. I do wonder, if Ashman had lived even just a few more years, what Aladdin would have become. That one was his baby. The project he was really rearing to do. And Ashman actually was HEAVILY involved in the production of the films he worked on, not just when it came to songs. He, like Walt, acted out each character for the story people, contributed heavily to the script, created several of the characters...It was he who came up with the concept of making Sebastian Jamaican, who wrote most of Sebastian's scenes in the film, he who practically invented Lumiere, Cogsworth, Mrs. Potts and Gaston...

I really don't think Disney fans, and certainly not the general public, give the man the credit he deserves.

[PatrickvD]

I strongly disagree with your assessment that Menken is more of a push-over without Ashman. Howard Ashman was a writer and a producer on both The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast. That explains the more focused way the songs were written and weaved into the story. He was the key player in both productions. I agree here, because he was a story guy, like Walt. He could act out all the characters and knew them by heart.

But you can't blame the songwriting process' problems during Pocahontas, Hunchback and Hercules solely on Menken. There were MUCH larger problems at Disney in terms of management at that point and Menken's influence was simply not that big. There was a power struggle going on and Menken was a composer, not a producer.

I also don't think having many deleted songs is necessarily an indication of poor and unfocused writing. The early Disney films often had a ton of deleted songs, none of which reflect poorly upon the final product.

[ProfessorRatigan]

And what about the weak stage adaptations of Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid? You can't really blame that on management issues at Disney... I think all the additional songs in those two are exceptionally weak, and undermine the quality of the overall productions.

It seems like, especially in Beauty and the Beast, every time there was a quiet, somber, beautiful moment in the film (the Beast letting Belle go, the Beast's death) they inserted an unnecessary, sappy puke-inducing song that TOTALLY killed the moment. The Little Mermaid's Broadway show was, and I think I'm safe in calling a spade a spade, a colossal piece of shit.

We'll see how Aladdin turns out. But from the 'new' songs I've seen/heard (not the original Ashman ones. The new ones Menken has penned that were played during the Seattle and St. Louis productions.) it's looking rather disappointing. I hope I'm wrong. I really do.

[ProfessorRatigan]

And I wasn't implying having many deleted songs meant poor, unfocused writing. I meant it in the sense that, Ashman fought back against his songs being deleted, resulting in less BEING deleted. The only one he didn't support being deleted was Human Again. And that happened at a time when he was so sick he couldn't really protest it.

[Chernabog]

Again the BIG PROBLEM of getting this - for us outside of the US. I´m so sick and tired of this strategy of just making it available for people on the American north continent. What about the rest of us?

Anyone who is willing to help me out with this?

They're available in the Dutch iTunes. Have you tried downloading them some other way?

No I can´t buy and download them from there either

[Chernabog]

Hello again
Is it really not anyone who can help me out with this?
PETER PAN THE LOST CHORDS + DIGITAL BOOKLET
from Amazon US.
I´m outside of USA and are not allowed to buy it according to their stupid rules, and every other site I can find it on, it seems they not include the digital booklet in a purchase, which is a MUST for me.

Is there anyone who can buy it for me, send it to me in rar or as single mp3s and I pay you through Paypal.

I hold my tumbs and really really hope that someone reply about this to me (private message).