milojthatch wrote:I personally don't think films from Walt's era should be remastered into Hi Def. For modern films to be is one thing, but I think for older films, it actually messes up the film. I can see a Blu Ray release happening sooner or later for these films, it is just a matter of time, but I think a better use of that space is to just make two disk DVD's into one disc Blu Rays, maybe with new extras. Heck, a great idea would be to take film series (sequels and remakes) and put them all on one disc!
But, considering how gung ho people are today about making everything Hi Def...
I don't get what you're saying. Motion picture film is higher resolution than HD; if anything "messes up the film" it's sacrificing image quality and detail for DVD presentation.
Give me <i>Treasure Island</i>, <i>20,000 Leagues</i>, <i>Swiss Family Robinson</i>, and <i>Mary Poppins</i> and I'd be satisfied...plus the stuff from the <i>Tomorrowland</i> Treasures collection.
I'm saying that lightening these films up, which normally is part of the HD presses, as well as destroys the original viewing of the film. It's worse then colorizing old black and white films or making full screen movies into wide-screen. How can you not understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that HD isn't meant for old movies, but becuase Hollywood wants to make as much off of these old titles as possible and because a lot of the general public is getting caught up into the "HD makes it better" mind set, these classic films get distorted anyway!
SpringHeelJack wrote:
milojthatch wrote:I personally don't think films from Walt's era should be remastered into Hi Def. For modern films to be is one thing, but I think for older films, it actually messes up the film. I can see a Blu Ray release happening sooner or later for these films, it is just a matter of time, but I think a better use of that space is to just make two disk DVD's into one disc Blu Rays, maybe with new extras. Heck, a great idea would be to take film series (sequels and remakes) and put them all on one disc!
But, considering how gung ho people are today about making everything Hi Def...
You do know that since the original films had a higher resolution than a DVD, they aren't "making" it high-def, they're presenting them closer to their original form, right?
And I don't know how anyone could make the argument that "The Wizard of Oz" was "messed up" when it was released on Blu-ray.
I've seen the HD version of "Wizard of Oz." Totally messed that film up! It just looks so off.
I think I've said what needs to be said, making old films into Hi Def screws up the old film. I understand that most here would disagree, and great for you. Enjoy your messed up film. I'm sticking with my DVD versions, which looks the way they should look. Feel free to argue with me more about this if it makes you feel good about yourself, but it will be one sided from here out as I'm done.
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milojthatch wrote:I think I've said what needs to be said, making old films into Hi Def screws up the old film. I understand that most here would disagree, and great for you. Enjoy your messed up film. I'm sticking with my DVD versions, which looks the way they should look. Feel free to argue with me more about this if it makes you feel good about yourself, but it will be one sided from here out as I'm done.
Just to clarify, your defense of your opinion is not based on any kind of research or reasoning, but giving up? At least other forum members post poor quality screencaps and colour-faded lobby cards to justify their "facts".
I'm not sure I get the quality complaint for older films on Blu-Ray - - several highly comparable classics of similar vintage have been released lately to great reviews and nice screencaps, like "The Sound of Music," "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and "Willy Wonka" - - I'm sure Walt's movies would look just as nice well mastered in HD (meaning that the original 35mm film elements are used for a new HD master -- as naturally an enchanced old DVD video master just isn't going to do on Blu).
As long as these five movies make it out in the next couple of years I will be happy...........
Song of the South (I doubt we will see this in my lifetime)
Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier
Davy Crockett & The River Pirates
The Parent Trap (Hayley Mills version)
The World's Greatest Athlete (Jan-Michael Vincent)
There are a bunch more but I would like to see those as soon as possible.
The only way to watch movies - Original Aspect Ratio!!!!
I LOVE my Blu-Ray Disc Player!
milojthatch wrote:I'm saying that lightening these films up, which normally is part of the HD presses, as well as destroys the original viewing of the film. It's worse then colorizing old black and white films or making full screen movies into wide-screen. How can you not understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that HD isn't meant for old movies, but becuase Hollywood wants to make as much off of these old titles as possible and because a lot of the general public is getting caught up into the "HD makes it better" mind set, these classic films get distorted anyway!
I'm not sure how you equate releasing a film on Blu-ray with "lightening" it. Again, do you at least have a screencap showing what you mean?
Does the Blu-ray version (the one where you can make out things like the details on the chairs and the carpet and, you know, their faces aren't fuzzy) look worse to you? Also, just on a side note, does it look "lighter"? I think the DVD looks far brighter than the Blu-ray, personally.
"Ta ta ta taaaa! Look at me... I'm a snowman! I'm gonna go stand on someone's lawn if I don't get something to do around here pretty soon!"
HOLY HELL!!! That is BY FAR the best screencap of any Blu-Ray release I've ever seen. I wasn't impressed before. I AM NOW! That's the kind of thing to almost make me consider crossing over. All-most...
Ala ad-Din wrote:haha no one has mentioned any of these classics:
The Million Dollar Duck
Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N.
The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes
Blackbeard's Ghost
The Barefoot Executive
The Strongest Man in the World
Now You See Him, Now You Don't
Gus
The Misadventures of Merlin Jones
Pete's Dragon
That's for Wave 2.
Speaking of... Who's Up for SIDE 2? 11-20? The next 10 "Walt-era" Live Action films that should come to Blu-Ray? Who's with me?
>>Which 10 classic Walt Disney Productions live-action movies (pre-1980) should come to hi-def/Blu-Ray first? Which would you choose? Mine:
Mary Poppins
Song of the South
Swiss Family Robinson
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
The Parent Trap!
Pollyanna
Darby O'Gill and the Little People
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Babes in Toyland
Treasure Island<<
The next ten (by request):
The Absent-Minded Professor
The Shaggy Dog
The Love Bug
That Darn Cat!
Summer Magic
The Moon-Spinners
The Three Lives of Thomasina
Dr. Syn, Alias the Scarecrow
Third Man on the Mountain
In Search of the Castaways
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The Parent Trap (50th anniversary next year would be perfect for a new DVD release w/o the tv sequel OR for a blu ray/dvd combo pack.) This is the ONLY Vault Disney movies of the ones I wanted, that I did not buy before it went OOP.
Disney Channel died when they stopped airing movies with Haley mills (Parent Trap and Pollyanna) and fun adventure movies like Swiss Family Robinson. R.I.P. the REAL Disney Channel. Date of Death: When the shows became teenie bopperish.
>>The Parent Trap (50th anniversary next year would be perfect for a new DVD release w/o the tv sequel OR for a blu ray/dvd combo pack.) This is the ONLY Vault Disney movies of the ones I wanted, that I did not buy before it went OOP.<<
That "Parent Trap" Vault Disney edition is a great DVD set with a lot of wonderful extras, including interviews with writer/director David Swift just before his death. Used copies for a decent price are fairly common - - Amazon has it:
milojthatch wrote:I'm saying that lightening these films up, which normally is part of the HD presses, as well as destroys the original viewing of the film. It's worse then colorizing old black and white films or making full screen movies into wide-screen. How can you not understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that HD isn't meant for old movies, but becuase Hollywood wants to make as much off of these old titles as possible and because a lot of the general public is getting caught up into the "HD makes it better" mind set, these classic films get distorted anyway!
I'm not sure how you equate releasing a film on Blu-ray with "lightening" it. Again, do you at least have a screencap showing what you mean?
Does the Blu-ray version (the one where you can make out things like the details on the chairs and the carpet and, you know, their faces aren't fuzzy) look worse to you? Also, just on a side note, does it look "lighter"? I think the DVD looks far brighter than the Blu-ray, personally.
I need to get Sound of Music ASAP!
Also don't bother responding to someone who has nothing to back up anything he's saying and decides to end the discussion as though he is right.
Also don't bother responding to someone who has nothing to back up anything he's saying and decides to end the discussion as though he is right.
Yes you do! The colors on the blu-ray are far darker, richer and more detailed than every release in the past except for the original 35mm film of course!
Also, BK, anyone who thinks the Wizard of Oz on blu-ray looks "off" because the colors don't match their 1999 DNR'ed to death lackluster restoration on DVD obviously doesn't know much about the restoration process. The people who work on these films are ridiculously dedicated to preserving their original integrity and to getting them as identical to the original source as possible. Just another reason people should actually do their research and watch the materials about film restoration that are available all over the internet.
Oh and I'm getting tired of seeing old VHS and 80s TV screenshots used to show what a film's colors should look like. I mean really? How in any way could those be considered even the least bit accurate? Old TVs were notorious for being off on color, brightness, etc. How many times did we see TVs in the stores years ago side by side with the colors of them were greatly different from each another?
The_Iceflash wrote:Would anyone object to double package releases if it meant that more would be released?
For the movies with sequels, I can see that happening (e.g. Old Yeller with Savage Sam or The Absent-Minded Professor with Son of Flubber). But I generally prefer when movies to get their own releases.
Most of my wishlist has already been said in this thread, but here's ten live-action Disney films I want on Blu-Ray (preferably Blu-Ray + DVD Combo pack) sooner rather than later:
So Dear to My Heart (1948 ) Treasure Island (1950) The Sword and the Rose (1953) - it hasn't even had a DVD release yet! Darby O'Gill and the Little People (1959) Swiss Family Robinson (1960) Mary Poppins (1964) Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971) The Black Hole (1979) The Rocketeer (1991) Newsies (1992)
albert
WIST #60:
AwallaceUNC: Would you prefer Substi-Blu-tiary Locomotion?
WIST #61:
TheSequelOfDisney: Damn, did Lin-Manuel Miranda go and murder all your families?
Maybe a Hayley Mills Blu-Ray box set would be a new way to go for Disney marketing -- with Pollyanna, The Parent Trap!, In Search of the Castaways, Summer Magic, The Moon-Spinners and That Darn Cat! - - all with newly remastered HD elements in proper screen ratio, plus extras, trailers, previously released extras, period PR footage, audio LP versions of the songs, and commentary by Hayley herself. By packaging the stronger titles with the lesser-known, this way we might get movies that are otherwise unilkely to come any time soon.
Just another reason people should actually do their research and watch the materials about film restoration that are available all over the internet.
