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I like the "I See The Light" clip. The song is beautiful, the visuals looks great. Not to mention that Flynn looks soooo cute in it.
I agree with you on every level... especially about Flynn. It's so cute: Rapunzel's all excited about the lanterns and he doesn't even look at them, he just looks at her with a smile. It's so sweet... :D

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I found this today, it's a count up of all the DAC's. Has anyone else seen it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gqg3-5srs4
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Scarred4life wrote:I found this today, it's a count up of all the DAC's. Has anyone else seen it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gqg3-5srs4

It was already posted, but it's still awesome! :D Thanks!
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Tangled wrote:#2. I just took dozens of dollars away from Disney. I knew he would tell everyone what I told him and we've got to face it. Disney Princess Musicals aren't appealing to 10 year old boys.
:o how dare you! :evil: nah :lol: but when I was a 10 year old boy I was just as interested in any Disney movie, princess or musical as I am now (i'm 14 D: ) boys have changed..or i'm just weird :lol:
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I forget-did someone else post this already on part 4? I don't recall, but to celebrate Disney's Tangled TheFineBros told the endings to all 50 main Disney movies, starting with Snow White and ending with Tangled.

SPOILER WARNING! TANGLED SPOILER AT THE END. IF YOU WANT, ONLY WATCH TO PRINCESS AND THE FROG OR BOLT AND PAUSE IT TO AVOID IT.

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A few days ago, I saw the official music video of "Something that I Want" under the videos section of the official Tangled site. It starts with Grace Potter singing standing up in front of the camera and then the camera moves around the WDAS lot, like a virtual tour of the place, depicting the hallways, the offices, and the crew who is boogieing to the song.

However, this video for some bizarre reason has been removed from the website and cannot be found anywhere. I've scoured the internet but with no avail. What's going on??? It's like i'm the only one who ever saw this...Weird :? :? :?
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Sotiris wrote:A few days ago, I saw the official music video of "Something that I Want" under the videos section of the official Tangled site. It starts with Grace Potter singing standing up in front of the camera and then the camera moves around the WDAS lot, like a virtual tour of the place, depicting the hallways, the offices, and the crew who is boogieing to the song.

However, this video for some bizarre reason has been removed from the website and cannot be found anywhere. I've scoured the internet but with no avail. What's going on??? It's like i'm the only one who ever saw this...Weird :? :? :?
too bad, would like to see an official music video for this.
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LucilleBallFilms wrote:
Tangled wrote:#2. I just took dozens of dollars away from Disney. I knew he would tell everyone what I told him and we've got to face it. Disney Princess Musicals aren't appealing to 10 year old boys.
:o how dare you! :evil: nah :lol: but when I was a 10 year old boy I was just as interested in any Disney movie, princess or musical as I am now (i'm 14 D: ) boys have changed..or i'm just weird :lol:
Well, some might. Ok, they might not be appealing to MANY boys. But I was talking to a guy who loves CGI comedy movies (this year he saw How to Train your Dragon, Toy Story 3, Shrek 4, Despicable Me, Alpha and Omega and Megamind.) I don't think he's seen Princess and the Frog yet, which he probably wouldn't like. At least Tangled also has a main MALE character who I liked. (Naveen was OK. He was a jerk and didn't change much even in the end. Flynn was a character I loved) and it is part action/comedy. He also squirmed a lot while watching Glee with his sister...
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Tangled wrote:(this year he saw How to Train your Dragon, Toy Story 3, Shrek 4, Despicable Me, Alpha and Omega and Megamind.)
I went total fan-girl/guy thing over most of those at some point.. :lol:
Tangled wrote:He also squirmed a lot while watching Glee with his sister
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either way, I don't see why some boys should squirm or change their minds at hearing it's a musical, but to be honest, I do know alot who would do that :lol:
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It's good to see that it did well on its opening day, though obviously I'll be conservative and not go and dance in the streets just yet. I'm guessing that the higher cost of 3D helped (as does the fact that Harry Potter didn't end up bowing in 3D). Let's just say that it'll likely do better than The Princess and the Frog. :p
Tangled wrote:I noticed 2 odd things:

#1. He loved the trailer and all his friends did too (maybe Disney DID make a right choice about catering to boys-DID I JUST SAY THAT?)

#2. I just took dozens of dollars away from Disney. I knew he would tell everyone what I told him and we've got to face it. Disney Princess Musicals aren't appealing to 10 year old boys.
My four cents (two cents for each point ;)):

1. Although I think the title change was going one step too far, I never thought that the marketing techniques were that bad. The only thing I did worry about was that they were marketing the film as something it wasn't; the inevitable look on little boys' faces when they went in expecting a film like How to Train Your Dragon and ended up seeing a pretty princess in a pink dress singing "I like painting! I have pretty hair! I wanna see some lanterns!" as her wicked witch of a mother threatened to catch her. :p

2. Most young boys do barf at musicals, you've got to admit. I don't mind musicals now (I'd consider myself a fan), but as a nine or ten year-old, the thought of having to endure most musicals would unnerve me; they seemed like something drippy my mum liked for some irrational reason. The only ones that I would watch were ones I'd known since a very young age (The Wizard of Oz, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory), or Disney movies (this was the era when a Disney film wouldn't be a Disney film without at least two songs :p). As an example from when I was ten, I think everybody expected Mulan to be a musical, and accepted it as that. Of course, this was before the whole Disney Princess crap, which probably did a lot to make the general public associate fairy tales and musicals with girly stuff over the past ten years, and Mulan was marketed to a much greater audience than The Princess and the Frog was.
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DisneyJedi wrote:I just checked by the Boxofficemojo and saw Tangled's box office numbers, and when I saw it was like over $11 million, I was like "That... that's not a very impressive gross. -_-"

Okay, granted it's only been out for a day, but still. I was hoping to see more impressive numbers.
:? how in the world is that not impressive? Tangled was only projected to make $35 million and made $11 million in one day--on a wednesday. That is FANTASTIC.
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wowie123 wrote:
DisneyJedi wrote:I just checked by the Boxofficemojo and saw Tangled's box office numbers, and when I saw it was like over $11 million, I was like "That... that's not a very impressive gross. -_-"

Okay, granted it's only been out for a day, but still. I was hoping to see more impressive numbers.
:? how in the world is that not impressive? Tangled was only projected to make $35 million and made $11 million in one day--on a wednesday. That is FANTASTIC.
I took a Film Study class when I was in high school I learned a lot about box office numbers (I actually have a habit checking the box office weekly thanks to that class for 3 years now). Let me tell you 11 - 12 million in ONE day is pretty damn impressive. I also learned that Thanksgiving weekend is a big weekend for movies, because I guess people like to go see a movie after eating Thanksgiving dinner or catch a movie after Black Friday shopping.

Personally for the past 4 or 5 years I always went to see a movie during Thanksgiving weekend.
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Wonderlicious wrote:2. Most young boys do barf at musicals, you've got to admit. I don't mind musicals now (I'd consider myself a fan), but as a nine or ten year-old, the thought of having to endure most musicals would unnerve me; they seemed like something drippy my mum liked for some irrational reason. The only ones that I would watch were ones I'd known since a very young age (The Wizard of Oz, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory), or Disney movies.
Funny. I was the same way. My mother would always rent musicals when I was a kid, and I just despised them...now I work in musical theatre as a profession. LOL

When I saw the film, there were a couple of dads with their sons, and one of the dads said on the way out "That wasn't what I expected, but it was pretty cool" and his son (probably 6 years old) wouldn't stop asking questions about her magic hair.
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My friend who just went to see this movie pointed this out, SO SPOILER ALERT!When Rapunzel marries Flynn Rider/Eugene Fitzherbert (I have no idea what to call him XD.) wouldn't that make her name Rapunzel Fitzherbert? I laughed so hard at this idea, and I really think it's a shame to give a Disney Princess a name like that after so many pretty other names (Belle, Ariel, Jasmine, Aurora ETC.) and Rapunzel is a horrid name to start with, but then again "Rapunzel Rider" made me laugh super hard too. Oh well. Rapunzel isn't that lucky at the end (Getting her hair cut short and it never being cut again-what if she acidentally cut off ALL her hair by mistake? Rapunzel was locked in the tower for that reason...) Whatever. Just a funny thing that my friend pointed out. XD
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*Off-topic*

... You suppose The Princess and the Frog would've performed better if it was released nationwide Thanksgiving weekend?
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Well, I gave in. I went to see Tangled even though I was going to wait ‘til Monday. Part of me wanted to see it alone, so I could appreciate it without my friends around ruining the experience ( :P ). Plus, all these reviews got me excited, and I’d waited long enough to hear the music. :)

Walking into the movie, I did the same thing I did with TP&TF. I tried to completely divorce all my expectations and all the politics from the experience, so that I could enjoy it--or not--without all that interfering. I ended up loving TP&TF that way, so I had hopes that this movie might do as good a job.

I know a lot of people have pointed out flaws with TP&TF--bad pacing, a cliché prince/leading man, too much like the ‘90s, mixed marketing, an underused villain, weak music, a meandering plot, etc. But I’ve either never felt the same, or those flaws didn’t seem as huge to me. With Tangled, it seems as if they took all those flaws and put a magnifying glass on them. There was no introduction; the plot meandered forever after Rapunzel left the tower (they go here, then they go there, now they‘re on a boat, and I have no idea what the hell‘s going on); the music was either bad (“When Will My Life Begins“), ineffective (“Mother Knows Best“), or just had weak lyrics (“I’ve Got A Dream”); Gothel was somewhere between stale and uninteresting; Flynn was basically just Naveen with even less substance; the movie mimicked everything from “Kiss The Girl” to Beauty and the Beast’s death scene; characters like Flynn and the bar thieves seemed to roam the movie without any development; and so on. I kept waiting for the movie to get better, but instead it relied on cheap shots to try to make you think characters have grown, like when Flynn and Rapunzel almost drown, or when Gothel stabs Flynn. Tangled is one of those movies that you watch and which you realize they were working with some great material, with some great ideas, that seemed to just never go the distance.

On the flip side, the things I most worried about (the animation, Mandy Moore, Rapunzel’s eyes, Maximus) actually turned out to not be problems at all. I won’t say Tangled belonged in 3D, but it at least wasn’t hurt by it. Moore’s songs were bad (and badly sung), but her voice work for Rapunzel (outside the songs) was pretty good. Maximus, from all the commercials, came across as a boring slapstick routine, copied straight out of HOTR--but I actually really enjoyed him. I think if there’s one thing that this movie has over TP&TF, it’s that there’s no Louis character here (not that I personally disliked Louis--he was one of the better “loud, unnecessary sidekicks”--but he was a detractor from TP&TF).

Donna Murphy’s Gothel is probably my greatest regret with the film. There was so much there that they could have worked with; Rapunzel’s and Gothel’s relationship with one another could easily have ended up in the same category as Cinderella and Tremaine, or Frollo and Quasi. But the movie completely let me down. Instead, Gothel (and Murphy’s voice) comes across as nothing more than a really angry dance teacher. The movie skips ahead 15 years or so, and she seems as if she has absolutely no feelings for Rapunzel at all (moreover, Rapunzel quickly snaps into “I have no feelings for you whatsoever“ at the end, too). It all came across very hollow, which is probably what left the worst taste afterwards. She easily could have been saved if “Mother Knows Best” were on par with “Poor Unfortunate Souls” or “Hellfire,” but no chance. I liked the reprise better, but it seemed way too Broadway (especially when most all of the other songs are so distinctly un-Broadway). The fact that it doesn’t even work as well as “Friends On The Other Side” is a huge letdown. Gothel ends up in the same boat as a villain like Medusa, where there’s so much there to work with, but you ultimately end up not caring about her either way--you don’t hate her, you‘re not scared, and you’re definitely not entertained.

Rapunzel, on the other hand, is probably the one saving grace in the film, character-wise. I really did like her (and thankfully she looked/acted different enough that I didn’t hate her for being an Ariel clone); her scenes were the only drop of sincerity in the movie. She was probably the only character in the film that was explained at all. I can’t really say she was developed (because she doesn’t really change from beginning to end), but she was at least charming and likable. Also, I’ll just say I loved Pascal.

Flynn, from the first we heard of him (and how he delineated from Bastion), definitely came across as a repeat of Naveen. But I personally loved Naveen, so I was willing to accept that. The problem is, the character isn’t nearly as charming and he definitely doesn’t hold your attention. He comes across more pompous, vain, and just unlikable, whereas Naveen was much more like the Tramp, where you loved him in spite of yourself. I’m not sure if Zachary Levi should be blamed for that or not; I thought he did a decent job with what he was given. What’s most disappointing is that they definitely had some good ideas there, with the whole Eugene subplot and the “poor and un-special” background, but it just didn’t affect me. Mostly, I feel that it could have been handled much better. That kind of goes along with most of the other problems I had with the film, where they substituted quick fixes for actual development. Every meaningful change happens because of a threat of death. The only scene that felt a tiny bit less contrived--the fireside chat--is borderline cut-and-paste from TP&TF, where Tiana and Naveen come closer together. That’s what I found to be the greatest flaw with the film. Because I didn’t care about Flynn, and the character arcs were supplemented with overly melodramatic and insincere scenes, I just didn’t feel anything by the time you get to “I See The Light.” The only impression I was left with was that Rapunzel deserved a better guy.

To go more in-depth about the music, the only songs I enjoyed were “I Have A Dream,” “I See The Light,” and bits and pieces of “Mother Knows Best“--and I mean to say, I liked them, not loved them. It’s hard to believe the music was so underwhelming, but I can’t help but blame Lasseter for that (if that recently released article is to be believed at all), for wanting Menken to make the music less like in a musical. It’s hard for me to blame Menken, considering I loved “That’s How You Know” from Enchanted, which kind of proved he could still write greats, imo. But I did like a lot of the score, although it seemed a little too epic for what was actually happening onscreen at times.

Overall, I just feel a mixture of disappointment and confusion at this movie. I think, in a way, the commercials have been appropriate--no, the film’s not like Shrek or Dreamworks, but it seems to have no idea what it wants to be. It’s not sure if it wants to be a musical, it doesn’t really work as a romance, it doesn’t want to be a drama--and it ends up being none of those. Unlike the 90s, where they could make one movie have a combination of many genres, this just comes across as a confused mess. And I think the attempt to “guy-ify” the story of Rapunzel is ultimately what’s responsible for the horrible introduction, and a film that isn’t sure about what it wants to be.

I won’t put this as my final say, because I really hope I’ll get more out of it when I see it again. Right now, it’s easily my least favorite “princess” film, and--just as a Disney movie--it’s easily in the same company as films like The Fox and the Hound and Oliver and Company for me, though not nearly as bad as HOTR or Brother Bear. Tbh, if this is the best they could do with a fairy tale, I’d actually prefer them to stick to Bolt’s and MTR’s.
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Tangled wrote:My friend who just went to see this movie pointed this out, SO SPOILER ALERT!When Rapunzel marries Flynn Rider/Eugene Fitzherbert (I have no idea what to call him XD.) wouldn't that make her name Rapunzel Fitzherbert? I laughed so hard at this idea, and I really think it's a shame to give a Disney Princess a name like that after so many pretty other names (Belle, Ariel, Jasmine, Aurora ETC.) and Rapunzel is a horrid name to start with, but then again "Rapunzel Rider" made me laugh super hard too. Oh well. Rapunzel isn't that lucky at the end (Getting her hair cut short and it never being cut again-what if she acidentally cut off ALL her hair by mistake? Rapunzel was locked in the tower for that reason...) Whatever. Just a funny thing that my friend pointed out. XD
I find both very cute. XD
I was actually thinking that since all of her hair got cut, it would grow again, but that's not really confirmed.
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Sorry to hear that, Disney's Divinity. I had the opposite reaction. I thought this fixed what I thought was missing from TPatF and all the flaws you pointed out, I felt were the film's strong points. I cried and connected with characters and felt it reinserted more "Disney Magic" then I have seen since Hunchback.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Marce82 wrote:(still don't know how to turn letters white)
Type "[ color=white ]" (minus the spaces) before the text you want in white, and then "[ /color ]" (minus the spaces) after the text you want in white.
Rapunzel wrote:But they kind of did have a wedding celebration. Or at least that is what I saw with the final scenes.
I know I it only yesterday, but my memory sucks. There was just one celebration at the end, right? I think I thought that that was for Rapunzel returning home, but maybe it was a joint celebration?
Rapunzel wrote:Not sure if this is a spoiler so I will put it in white: I thought the suns being the negative space in her art was a very nice touch instead of having her just draw obvious suns everywhere.
I still don't get that part... :?:
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blackcauldron85 wrote:The end credits credited the voice actor as the voice of "Stabbington Brother", not plural...?
Only one of them was speaking. That's why.
I hadn't even noticed that! :)
mokka456 wrote: http://movieclips.com/pCow-tangled-movie-lantern-song/

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. I do love this scene.
2. My Internet connection isn't letting me watch past a certain point.
3. How many clips do they need to be releasing...? I mean, this is such an epic scene. Yes, I know that "Colors of the Wind" was used as a trailer on home videos, but I mean, is it a bad idea to release this amazing clip, or will it get more seats into the theater? I guess my thinking is that if you can watch big chunks of the movie online, some people might not go to the theater...and might wait to rent the film? But maybe it does some good, I don't know...
(Never mind, I just watched it. <3 And I guess it wouldn't hold people back too much, since it's not the whole scene...)
PheR wrote:so I guess Rapunzel was the least princess in the world in the nedd to get trapped (again) in a marriage so soon.
I wonder how long they waited, then, to get married...?
wafflenugget wrote:It's the introduction from the Tangled game on Wii. It's done by Claire Keane and her husband Vincent Rogozyk.
That's really quite magical!
akhenaten wrote:pascal was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.
Pascal was Rapunzel's only friend...they played together...
Poody wrote: I loved the second reprise of "When Will My Life Begin." but Mandy's voice (who I LOVE) sure couldn't carry the big belting note that song needed at the end.
I've been wondering if it was Mandy's decision to do the note like that, to break up "be-gin", or if it was someone else's. I don't have a problem with it, though. In "I Have a Dream", when she sings, "I just want to see the floating lanterns gleam," for a note it sounds weird, and I was waiting to see if Rapunzel's doing something to make her sound like that, but I really don't remember. I need to watch it again!
Ripley Eveningstar wrote:am I the only one that feels a little nervous about how Disney will interpret the numbers? HOPEFULLY this will convince them that there is still a place for fairytale-based and/or musical films in the industry...but knowing how they interpreted the box office numbers for PatF I'm afraid that they'll instead interpret this as "Oh, see, Tangled's BO vs PatF's BO proves that people don't want hand-drawn animation anymore" or something equally asinine. :(
Nope, you're totally not the only one. :/
MutantEnemy wrote:Now is not the time to worry about that, all that matters is getting people to go see THIS movie. Let Tangled have it's moment in the sun if it's meant to be.
Good point...but we Disnerds (thanks, Zach Levi ;)) like to worry and overthink. It's what we do.
Tangled wrote:When Rapunzel marries Flynn Rider/Eugene Fitzherbert (I have no idea what to call him XD.) wouldn't that make her name Rapunzel Fitzherbert? ...and Rapunzel is a horrid name to start with, but then again "Rapunzel Rider" made me laugh super hard too.
:lol: (And I'm not sure what to call him, either, but maybe I'll stick with Flynn...?
DisneyJedi wrote:You suppose The Princess and the Frog would've performed better if it was released nationwide Thanksgiving weekend?
Yes.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Gothel ends up in the same boat as a villain like Medusa, where there’s so much there to work with, but you ultimately end up not caring about her either way--you don’t hate her, you‘re not scared, and you’re definitely not entertained.
I hated her, I was a bit scared, and I was entertained- she was/is a great villain! Obviously this is just a case of agree to disagree, but I guess I'm shocked at your feelings! But they are your feelings and I completely respect them.
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Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS A SPOILER-RICH REVIEW OF DISNEY'S "TANGLED", SO IF YOU DON'T WISH TO READ SPOILERS, FEEL FREE TO SKIP THE ENTIRE MESSAGE!


Well, I watched "Tangled" at 2:something P.M. in a Los Angeles shopping mall, at a Regal Theatre, which was located on about the second floor, so that I FELT just like Rapunzel!

The entire movie was presented in 3-D, so I put the 3-D glasses on over my own glasses.

The following is my super extensive review of the good, the bad, and the ugly aspects of "Tangled":

THE ARRIVAL: I arrived, and I was only able to pay for $10.00-worth of the tickets, because there were only $10.00 left on my Regal card. Someone else went with me. We both received our 3-D glasses, and we didn't get any refreshments.

THE PREVIEWS: I thought that there were far too many previews. I might as well have gone to the restroom AND bought candy, AND talked about the weather with a total stranger...because there were too many preivews. During the preview for the new Justin Beiber movie, about a dozen people shouted a collective, resounding "BOOO!", but I said "Oh, give it a chance! It might be good!", or something like that.

THE 3-D EXPERIENCE: I may never go back to watching movies that AREN'T presented in 3-D, because I was totally SPOILED by the 3-D "Tangled" experience! I LOVED watching flowers, lanterns, butterflies, and the drunk cupid guy flying so close to me that I could almost TOUCH them!

THE OPENING CREDITS: I thought that it was sooo cool that "Tangled" was OFFICIALLY recognized, onscreen, as being Disney's 50th animated feature film! I feel fortunate to have been able to have seen that movie on its opening day!

THE MUSIC: The songs seemed to work fairly well. When I listened to the soundtrack alone, Rapunzel's "I love you more." sounded to be reluctant, but when I watched the movie, the look that was in her eyes showed me that she really DID love Gothel more than Gothel loved her. The acordian-player at the beginning of "I've Got A Dream" really made the song work for me; the way by which he was forced to start making music was a true, classic moment of Disney humor! For some reason, Rapunzel's final rendition of "Healing Incantation" wasn't as effective as it could've been; if I'd been voicing Rapunzel, I'd have cried much, much more during that reprise.

THE STORYLINE: The storyline worked sort of well for me, but I never seemed to keep track of that darned satchel. Call me stupid, but I was never able to keep track of who had that satchel, when. When Rapunzel had it, I'd be saying to myself "Wait! Didn't Mother Gothel just give that satchel to The Stabbington Brothers?"

THE CHARACTERS: Well, there WERE those times during which the characters were so awkwardly animated that they looked as though they were "gumming it" when they were talking, and then, there were those times during which they were superbly animated.

My favorite character was, without a doubt, Maximus! He was just so cute, lovable, and extraordinary, for a horse! I want me a Maximus horse, fer shurr!

Flynn seemed to me to be a big softy, and totally pliable.

Rapunzel seemed to be prone to emotional breakdowns. She was all OVER the place, with regards to her moods. I liked the fact that The Disney Company wasn't afraid to make her a slightly darker, more disturbed character, though. I didn't like her later attitude, though, with regards to her treatment of Mother Gothel. I'll explain more about that later.

I liked Mother Gothel, with regards to her being a cool villain, although I thought that she could've either been more sickeningly sweet, or more cruel. She seemed to be moody, and, at times, she seemed to be right on the very edge of boiling over at Rapunzel; she was definitely emotionally cruel to Rapunzel. I LOVED Mother Gothel's sexier side; she was definitely of the mindset that if one is given eternal youth, they might as well work their sexy side! I almost can't believe that she was desperate enough to involve The Stabbington Brothers in her scheme. How was she gonna prevent them from trying to get her to share Rapunzel's hair with them?

In many ways, I tended to sympathize with Mother Gothel. She never really hit, or physically mistreated Rapunzel outright, and yet, she was really punished at the end of the movie, and I'm not referring to her actual demise.

Pascal was entertaining, but he wasn't quite as cool as Maximus!

The Pub Thugs, The Stabbington Brothers, etc., were okay.

THE FUNNY: I actually laughed when Mother Gothel gave the King and the Queen that dirty look before she disappeared with Baby Rapunzel. I'm sorry, but she just looked funny as heck!

I loved Maximus' gags, especially the one during which he and Flynn elbowed each other!

The drunk cupid guy was funny, too, especially when he was nearly propositioned by Mother Gothel.

THE COOL: I loved the bounciness of Rapunzel's hair, and I loved Maximus!

THE KLEENEX BOX MOMENTS: I cried at surprising moments! I cried right after Mother Gothel left the tower (At that point, Rapunzel said, "I'll be here.")

I cried right before the King and the Queen launched the lanterns.

I also cried when Rapunzel met her real parents for the first time.

THE CHEESY MOMENTS: The "I See the Light" scene didn't work so well for me. I didn't like Flynn's awkward "I'm starting, too." line. Shouldn't he have said "I'm starting OVER, too."? Rapunzel and Flynn looked so awkward during that scene that they literally appeared to be two plastic dolls! ACK!

I really wasn't emotionally touched by the tear scene. The dialog from that scene sounded to me as though it would've been right at home in a silly, romantic "Chick Flick". ICK! I wanted to be brought to tears, and I found that I was more saddened when Rapunzel met her real parents than I had been when she'd saved Flynn.

Of course, I ALSO didn't cry during the first "Narnia" movie's saddest scene, because it was sooo unlike its parallel book scene that it did nothing for me.

THE TRULY OBJECTIONABLE: I was DISGUSTED when Rapunzel pushed Mother Gothel, brutally, against the wall! She pushed her TWICE, and, in my opinion, those two pushes totally ruined the idea of Rapunzel being a truly cool character.

I am now thinking that the "Mother Knows Best" scene MIGHT have justified those pushes, but I don't know.

All that I know is that when I left the theatre, I was disgusted by that scene. I would rather have seen Rapunzel simply push Mother Gothel's hand away from her. If Mother Gothel had pushed Rapunzel, or physically hurt her, I could have understood that level of violence, because it would've been used in self-defense, or, at least, in an "eye for an eye" sort of way. That scene actually made me feel sorry for Mother Gothel. Rapunzel didn't have a need to do what she did.

Just now, I'm thinking that Flynn Rider actually did more for the situation, sans violence, with just one stupid shard of glass! I mean, Rapunzel shoved her mother, and THEN she was STILL willing to stay with her, as though she were suddenly helpless? Really, miss violence-encourager?

In my opinion, domestic violence is enough of a problem in this country, without The Disney Company encouraging any more of it.

Of course, with regards to the "Mother Knows Best" scene, my fetish for battery-operated candles took on a new meaning of security. That entire scene was powerful; Mother Gothel just sort of hamstrung Rapunzel with her own hair. I can see why Rapunzel was an emotional basket case/ a breakdown case.

I am not saying that violence can't be a great part of an animated Disney movie. I'm just saying that when a "good" character is violent towards a "bad" character, the "good" character's physical violence had better be an answer to some immediately previous violence on the part of the "bad" character, because when it's not, the entire situation can really make some people resent the "good" character.

IN CONCLUSION: I think that "Tangled" is a mixed bag of darkness, awkward animation, some super characters, awesome 3-D magic, etc.

Thank you in advance for your replies.
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