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Re: Sometimes I Wish Pixar Never Existed
Really?DisneyJedi wrote:Okay, true, that if it weren't for John Lasseter, Disney would still be doing CGI movies and not doing any hand-drawn movies. But I'm just kind of mad that Pixar is outshining Disney when it comes to animated movies.
People care enough about this stuff to be 'mad' about it?
Wow.
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"To Infinity and Beyond!: The Story of Pixar Animation Studios" by Karen Paik explains Disney and Pixar's motives better than I can. It's a good read. You should check it out.DisneyJedi wrote:Why? So they could leech off of them?
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The thing is though Pixar is a part of Disney. It isn't Pixar's fault that Disney lost a lot of it's credibility. It is Disney's fault. They fall behind in the race and Pixar sped up. Pixar has made ten phenomenal movies for this decade or so. How many has Disney made. Give me an answer and I will see where the argument will go
And you are complaining about Pixar???? Its not Pixar's fault they are better than Disney. Afterall, they idolized Disney, nearly all animators do. They are the ones keeping Walt's original ideals alive and well. Disney is the one who steamrolls the poor man's grave all the time. Mind you, I don't think everything Pixar makes is solid gold. I didn't like Cars at all. I'm not technically some Pixar-fangirl. But I recognize well written stories and well done animation when I see it. Not to mention the voice casts they get are always so amazing!DisneyJedi wrote:Well, why the hell is Disney not being what it used to be?! I'm guessing because the company's now run by Cheapy the Cheapskate. I mean, the only reason Disney isn't itself lately is because some idiot turned the company into a frickin' piggy bank!Siren wrote:
Pixar is what Disney use to be and ought to still be.
The difference between Pixar and Disney is Disney is always trying to recapture their glory days. Pixar just hasn't hit a point they need to recapture anything. Again, because a mixture of solid story telling, beautiful animation, and stellar voice casts.
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Well, up until now... Toy Story 3, Cars 2, and a rumrored Monsters, Inc. 2Siren wrote: The difference between Pixar and Disney is Disney is always trying to recapture their glory days. Pixar just hasn't hit a point they need to recapture anything. Again, because a mixture of solid story telling, beautiful animation, and stellar voice casts.
Anyhow, Disney dropped the ball. Now I love each of the films that came from Disney since 2000 (in their own ways), but they didn't fail to surpass Pixar just because Pixar existed. If Pixar hadn't existed Dreamworks would've still out done many of the films Disney was putting out. A completely CGI film was only a matter of time. Pixar was just the first to do it. Pixar didn't create CGI after all, they just perfected it.
If anything, I have a feeling that the people over at WDAS are only getting more reason to really create a fantastic film. It seems like everyone has lost their faith was WDAS. The fans have moved between Pixar and Dreamworks, the general public sees the company as a just-for-kids babysitting service, and even the company itself doesn't feel that they can release a film on their own without merchandising and rediculous marketing antics. I can't speak for the people at WDAS, but it just seems like we're building up to another "perfect storm" scenario. It's obvious that things need to change in order for them to survive as a relevant entertainment company, and that change needs to happen soon! I believe they are much more aware of that than we give them credit for.
Pixar isn't the studio you should be worrying about. Part of me hates to say it, but let's take a good look at which animation studio's lineup over the next few years looks most promising.
When we look at Pixar, we see Toy Story 3, Cars 2, and Monsters, Inc. 2. Bear and the Bow looks to be the light at the end of the tunnel that is the next few years at Pixar. (Although yes, I realize that the sequel films all have potential to be outstanding. Except Cars.)
And then we look at Disney, where they seem to be running around as if Mickey has been kidnapped and someone made Miley Cyrus king of the Magic Kingdom. Tangled will hopefully knock everyone's socks off, but unless Disney execs get their heads ________________, at the moment, there really isn't much to be overly excited about at WDAS.
And then we have Dreamworks. How to Train Your Dragon is getting some AMAZING early feedback, and with 2-3 movies coming out per year, there's only room for more like it. I think Dreamworks will slowly but surely take the reign as "best animation studio" over Pixar in the next couple years. I hope I'm wrong, because I am a Disney fanboy and I'm proud of it, but even as a Disney fanboy, I have to admit that Dreamworks films look the most promising at the moment.
And to answer the initial point of the thread, it's stupid to hate on Pixar. Like it's been said, Pixar is what Disney used to be. They have the same values and produce the same quality that Disney has throughout the majority of it's history.
When we look at Pixar, we see Toy Story 3, Cars 2, and Monsters, Inc. 2. Bear and the Bow looks to be the light at the end of the tunnel that is the next few years at Pixar. (Although yes, I realize that the sequel films all have potential to be outstanding. Except Cars.)
And then we look at Disney, where they seem to be running around as if Mickey has been kidnapped and someone made Miley Cyrus king of the Magic Kingdom. Tangled will hopefully knock everyone's socks off, but unless Disney execs get their heads ________________, at the moment, there really isn't much to be overly excited about at WDAS.
And then we have Dreamworks. How to Train Your Dragon is getting some AMAZING early feedback, and with 2-3 movies coming out per year, there's only room for more like it. I think Dreamworks will slowly but surely take the reign as "best animation studio" over Pixar in the next couple years. I hope I'm wrong, because I am a Disney fanboy and I'm proud of it, but even as a Disney fanboy, I have to admit that Dreamworks films look the most promising at the moment.
And to answer the initial point of the thread, it's stupid to hate on Pixar. Like it's been said, Pixar is what Disney used to be. They have the same values and produce the same quality that Disney has throughout the majority of it's history.
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Okay, perhaps I kind of let myself go a little TOO far here. To be honest, I was feeling extremely upset when I made this thread, and I felt that perhaps it's a little unfair that CGI gets a little too much recognition lately. I didn't realize that I'd be upsetting a lot of people by saying something mean. 
im not really a fan of dreamworks cgi [madagascar, shrek] and much prefer their 2d... spirit blew me away at the cinema, and still does every time i watch it.
mostly i love the hidden gags. like in el dorado, one of the boys smacks the other in the head with a sack of gold by "accident", and its almost off screen. ive only seen that in one disney film, and thats the first atlantis movie, where mole says he excited and the dude with the dynamite moves away slightly. i love stuff like that, and think disney should do it more.
disney has always been my first love animation wise. pretty much all the videos i owned as a kid were from them. pixar is my next love, and i cant wait till they get some more titles in their library. dreamworks i adore and i watch their 2d movies all the time.
the new dreamworks dragon movie looks interesting, but im undecided whether i will see it or not, specially if its 3d. its a 3 hour trip to see anything 3d, and i cant afford to do that all the time.
mostly i love the hidden gags. like in el dorado, one of the boys smacks the other in the head with a sack of gold by "accident", and its almost off screen. ive only seen that in one disney film, and thats the first atlantis movie, where mole says he excited and the dude with the dynamite moves away slightly. i love stuff like that, and think disney should do it more.
disney has always been my first love animation wise. pretty much all the videos i owned as a kid were from them. pixar is my next love, and i cant wait till they get some more titles in their library. dreamworks i adore and i watch their 2d movies all the time.
the new dreamworks dragon movie looks interesting, but im undecided whether i will see it or not, specially if its 3d. its a 3 hour trip to see anything 3d, and i cant afford to do that all the time.
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If we are talking Dreamworks, then let's rember that coming up they have "Shrek 4," a "Puss in Boots" spin off, "Kung Fu Panada 2," "Madagascar 3," and a sequel to whatever else Katzenburg feels like later.SWillie! wrote:Pixar isn't the studio you should be worrying about. Part of me hates to say it, but let's take a good look at which animation studio's lineup over the next few years looks most promising.
When we look at Pixar, we see Toy Story 3, Cars 2, and Monsters, Inc. 2. Bear and the Bow looks to be the light at the end of the tunnel that is the next few years at Pixar. (Although yes, I realize that the sequel films all have potential to be outstanding. Except Cars.)
And then we look at Disney, where they seem to be running around as if Mickey has been kidnapped and someone made Miley Cyrus king of the Magic Kingdom. Tangled will hopefully knock everyone's socks off, but unless Disney execs get their heads ________________, at the moment, there really isn't much to be overly excited about at WDAS.
And then we have Dreamworks. How to Train Your Dragon is getting some AMAZING early feedback, and with 2-3 movies coming out per year, there's only room for more like it. I think Dreamworks will slowly but surely take the reign as "best animation studio" over Pixar in the next couple years. I hope I'm wrong, because I am a Disney fanboy and I'm proud of it, but even as a Disney fanboy, I have to admit that Dreamworks films look the most promising at the moment.
And to answer the initial point of the thread, it's stupid to hate on Pixar. Like it's been said, Pixar is what Disney used to be. They have the same values and produce the same quality that Disney has throughout the majority of it's history.
Don't fault Pixar for playing the sequel card all of a sudden when Dreamworks and Disney have both been doing it for years.
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Up was nice. But did any of you realise how it degenerated into a generic comedy into the 2nd and 3rd acts? The film has as much an identity crisis as Hunchback. And dogs with helium voices do not a serious, though-provoking movie make (as it would have you belive in the first 15 minutes).
As for DisneyJedi's concerns ... please be understanding. Yes, perhaps he's a fanboy. But then so am I. I love all animation, but I have an intense interest in WDAS (and yes, I would be happier if they were the leaders of the pack).
Go ahead. Call me names.
I can't help feeling that way. I have OCD and Asperger's Syndrome, which probably contributes to the "obsession". So I can understand how DisneyJedi feels. He probably understands that one should not obsess over a particular animation studio, but the brain is a complex organ, and sometimes it's difficult to block certain emotions and feelings.
Think about it.
As for DisneyJedi's concerns ... please be understanding. Yes, perhaps he's a fanboy. But then so am I. I love all animation, but I have an intense interest in WDAS (and yes, I would be happier if they were the leaders of the pack).
Go ahead. Call me names.
I can't help feeling that way. I have OCD and Asperger's Syndrome, which probably contributes to the "obsession". So I can understand how DisneyJedi feels. He probably understands that one should not obsess over a particular animation studio, but the brain is a complex organ, and sometimes it's difficult to block certain emotions and feelings.
Think about it.
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As with all Pixar films, it has to bend to fit what adults would want (serious, mindless boredom) and what kids want (fun, fun, FUN!) to get both groups to enjoy it. Hence their opening of "Up" and then dogs with helium voices.Julian Carter wrote:Up was nice. But did any of you realise how it degenerated into a generic comedy into the 2nd and 3rd acts? The film has as much an identity crisis as Hunchback. And dogs with helium voices do not a serious, though-provoking movie make (as it would have you belive in the first 15 minutes).
As for DisneyJedi's concerns ... please be understanding. Yes, perhaps he's a fanboy. But then so am I. I love all animation, but I have an intense interest in WDAS (and yes, I would be happier if they were the leaders of the pack).
Go ahead. Call me names.
I can't help feeling that way. I have OCD and Asperger's Syndrome, which probably contributes to the "obsession". So I can understand how DisneyJedi feels. He probably understands that one should not obsess over a particular animation studio, but the brain is a complex organ, and sometimes it's difficult to block certain emotions and feelings.
Think about it.
And anyone who calls anyone else a name is merely forfeiting the argument and has nothing more to defend themselves with. Point being, I wouldn't take anyone who would do that too seriously. Maybe one day they'll grow up. One day...
Everyone is a fan boy of something, just not everyone is a fan boy of entertainment stuff. Some people obsess over sports, or cars, or gardening, or cooking, or stamp collecting! Just keep on keeping on and don't let anyone put you down.
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actually...Pixar may not exist as we know it....if we use these two pictures as proof
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I agree.SillySymphony wrote:Title of this thread:
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Don't forget Disney bought Pixar because they wanted in on the awesomeness!!
It's really saddening that even people on this forum are having a tendency of treating Disney and Pixar as being seperate, despite the fact that they're both one force now. Therefore, every success for Pixar is a success for Disney too.
Also, while I can agree that even Bob Iger isn't perfect (nobody's perfect, as they always say), calling him "Cheapy the Cheapskate" is wrong, IMO. After all, he was responsible for Disney and Pixar's merger, which would not have happened if Eisner had remained in charge any longer.
WDAS, in spite of any behind-the-scenes drama, is in good hands these days, with John Lassetter and Ed Catmull running that department as well as Pixar.
I agree with what singerguy04 is saying about WDAS building up to going back to being the leading animation studio. Remember in the '80s when their work was being out-grossed by the Don Bluth productions and even the Care Bears Movie and so they started to really pull their game up and thus created more popular and much better works like The Great Mouse Detective, Who Framed Roger Rabbit and of course, The Little Mermaid.
The Princess and the Frog was already the film that convinced the general public that saw it that Disney can make a fantastic film and I think Tangled will out-gross it, as more people give it a look on Blu-Ray, thanks to word-of-mouth and its Oscar nominations.
The Princess and the Frog was already the film that convinced the general public that saw it that Disney can make a fantastic film and I think Tangled will out-gross it, as more people give it a look on Blu-Ray, thanks to word-of-mouth and its Oscar nominations.
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Disney always had slump peroids though so you gotta take the good times with the bad times. Princess and the Frog was an amazing return to form, and if that's how 2D ends well at least it went out with a bang instead of like Home on the Range.
I'm satisifed with current Disney and Pixar.
Disney always had slump peroids though so you gotta take the good times with the bad times. Princess and the Frog was an amazing return to form, and if that's how 2D ends well at least it went out with a bang instead of like Home on the Range.
I'm satisifed with current Disney and Pixar.
Re: Sometimes I Wish Pixar Never Existed
I blame the public and the suits for absorbing CGI as a big giant fad. The worse part of it is is that a majority of CGI films have for the most part been buddy comedies and Pixar has even been guilty of their own share of this since day one (Toy Story anyone?)
Not to rip on Pixar in anyway. They've had good films and other films that to me were kinda "me'h". The cutesy friendship comedies get really old after a while (especially when it's done in CGI a hundred times) which is why I love it when Pixar pushes the envelope with stories like "The Incredibles" or "Wall-E".
There are just some cases where another studio's work CAN outdo Pixar. The first year of this category Shrek defeated Monster's Inc.
Up was a good film but I didnt think it was "Best Picture worthy" good.
(I'm gonna hide from people now.)
Man, they waited WAAAAAY too long to make this category. Its gonna be a long time before Disney ever (if it ever) will make an Oscar worthy 2D film again but there's always a possibility.
And oh yeah, I'm willing to bet a good number of people on these forums have Aspergers considering the way we bicker over this so much.
Not to rip on Pixar in anyway. They've had good films and other films that to me were kinda "me'h". The cutesy friendship comedies get really old after a while (especially when it's done in CGI a hundred times) which is why I love it when Pixar pushes the envelope with stories like "The Incredibles" or "Wall-E".
Oh man if a Pixar film had been nominated the same year Spirited Away did and won, I swear there would rioting in the streets. And then it deifinitly prove that the Best Animated Feature category is rigged.magicalwands wrote:Seems like if it were any studio other than Disney being on top, you wouldn't be happy at all.DisneyJedi wrote:But I'm just kind of mad that Pixar is outshining Disney when it comes to animated movies.
Pixar isn't the only one stealing the Oscars away from Disney. Spirited Away beat out both Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch.DisneyJedi wrote:And because of that, Pixar's movies continue to steal away the Best Animated Feature Oscar, beginning with Ratatouille- despite me rooting for it. Thus, I sometimes wish Pixar never existed.
It really saddens me this thread was created. 2009 was a VERY great year for animation. We got a new Miyazaki film Ponyo, LAIKA's first film with Coraline, and we got fabulously created Fantastic Mr. Fox. I wouldn't want these films to have been less of what they are or not created at all for the sake of Disney or even Pixar winning an award.
By the way, nearly everyone at Pixar went to CalArts. You would think a lot of them started with traditional animation basics before moving onto 3D. Pixar is the popular studio because they believe in good stories. I don't know why it is concocted in your minds Pixar hates 2D animation.
There are just some cases where another studio's work CAN outdo Pixar. The first year of this category Shrek defeated Monster's Inc.
Up was a good film but I didnt think it was "Best Picture worthy" good.
(I'm gonna hide from people now.)
Man, they waited WAAAAAY too long to make this category. Its gonna be a long time before Disney ever (if it ever) will make an Oscar worthy 2D film again but there's always a possibility.
And oh yeah, I'm willing to bet a good number of people on these forums have Aspergers considering the way we bicker over this so much.