Widescreen or Fullscreen animated movies??? What's up?

[AlwaysOAR]

Okay, I've been off the net for a few days... I had thought that all movies pre-1953 and those that used the same methods after, 101 Dalmations having been proved to be intended in the academy ratio, were filmed in 1.33:1, and with the soundtrack added, projected in theatres at the 1.37:1 ratio, resulting in a slight sliver of the filmed frame disappearing with the soundtrack.
This image from the platinum, supposedly the full 1.37:1 ratio, with the resulting image on that side, is more than a slight sliver. My only conclusion is that we aren't getting the full 1.37 ratio on the DVD, being that the pressbook that Disneyfella got states that Dalmations is to be projected in the academy ratio, and not matted at a wider image.

Again, there's a difference between what's on the film itself, and what's intended to be projected. I admire your 'quest' for OAR, but perhaps there is no problem here.

And to be really nitpicking, you're already getting the 1.37:1/1.33:1 ratio. A ratio is just a shape, whether it's zoomed in or not is a different subject.

What's on the film itself in an academy ratio film, animated or live action, is what is intended to be projected on the screen, minus the minor loss due to the soundtrack put on the film, hence going from the 1.33:1 ratio to the 1.37:1, unless I've been mistaken all this time. If we are to believe that Dalmations was intended for the academy/ full frame ratio, than that much info shouldn't have been lost from the film in its appearance on DVD.
I'm sorry if I'm not getting what you're trying to say, but I still think that we are not getting the full academy ratio that was supposedly shown in theatres on the DVD release.

I also still think it's odd that every major studio converted to widescreen moviemaking in the 50's, but that 101 Dalmatians apparently slipped through. But that's a different matter.

Well, agreed there. I'm still bugged about that.

[KubrickFan]

What's on the film itself in an academy ratio film, animated or live action, is what is intended to be projected on the screen, minus the minor loss due to the soundtrack put on the film, hence going from the 1.33:1 ratio to the 1.37:1, unless I've been mistaken all this time. If we are to believe that Dalmations was intended for the academy/ full frame ratio, than that much info shouldn't have been lost from the film in its appearance on DVD.
I'm sorry if I'm not getting what you're trying to say, but I still think that we are not getting the full academy ratio that was supposedly shown in theatres on the DVD release.

Actually, before they adjusted the film to do so, it went from 1.37:1 to 1.20:1. From there a 1.37:1 projected image could be made, or a widescreen 1.75:1 image.
The 'cut' image from the example you posted is from the conversion from 1.37:1 to 1.20:1, but this wasn't meant to be seen. That's because unfinished animation could be seen on the top and bottom (possibly on the sides as well).
So the aspect ratio of the dvd is the correct, although opened one. I hope this makes it clear.

[goofystitch]

In regards to this image:


Where did the background photo come from? I'm going to venture to guess that it was a publicity still made using cells and backgrounds from the film, but photographed differently. That would explain why more background is shown to the right, but background is also cut off to the left. If that photo is of a wider source, then the left side should at least match up with the end of the screenshot, if not go further.

There was a similar situation here at UD concerning The Fox and the Hound where a widescreen photo showed more image than the fullscreen version, but it turned out that it was a publicity still that used a cell and background from the film, but photographed with more image on the sides sparking a long debate.

[2099net]

In regards to this image:


Where did the background photo come from? I'm going to venture to guess that it was a publicity still made using cells and backgrounds from the film, but photographed differently.

Its from the widescreen trailer on the Platinum Edition DVD IIRC (via DeathieMouse).The UD review has a thumbnail on its review:

[AlwaysOAR]

What's on the film itself in an academy ratio film, animated or live action, is what is intended to be projected on the screen, minus the minor loss due to the soundtrack put on the film, hence going from the 1.33:1 ratio to the 1.37:1, unless I've been mistaken all this time. If we are to believe that Dalmations was intended for the academy/ full frame ratio, than that much info shouldn't have been lost from the film in its appearance on DVD.
I'm sorry if I'm not getting what you're trying to say, but I still think that we are not getting the full academy ratio that was supposedly shown in theatres on the DVD release.

Actually, before they adjusted the film to do so, it went from 1.37:1 to 1.20:1. From there a 1.37:1 projected image could be made, or a widescreen 1.75:1 image.
The 'cut' image from the example you posted is from the conversion from 1.37:1 to 1.20:1, but this wasn't meant to be seen. That's because unfinished animation could be seen on the top and bottom (possibly on the sides as well).
So the aspect ratio of the dvd is the correct, although opened one. I hope this makes it clear.

I think so. I am aware that with live-action movies, and someone in another thread had a good example with Terminator 2, how a filmmaker will have the aspect ratio he/she wants to be seen in theatres taken from the open matte, then have a fullscreen version to be shown on TV/ video, so as to not have a compromised pan and scan version shown. The full screen image will sometimes have either more info on top/bottom and/or left/right side than seen on the matted theatrical ratio.
I guess I thought that animated movies were different in that regard, and what was drawn on the 1.33:1 frame, minus the soundtrack, would be what is shown in theatres. If it was intended to be matted, it would only lose info on the top and/or bottom.
Thanks though for your feedback. I confess I'm not totally convinced, I'm hard-headed, but I assume you are probably correct, though I would like to hear others who are knowledgeabe chime in on this.