Randy candy

[SpringHeelJack]

Being treated like a mini-adult messed Prudence up. Another factual statement. If we're going to think logically and make a conclusion, children should not be treated like mini-adults.

That's not logic, that's a hasty generalization. Because in one case something happened does not mean in all cases something will happen.

[Disney's Divinity]

But, since in that one case it did happen, what is the point in having pointlessly sexual candy wrappers that could possibly screw someone up? What difference would it make if they were just sitting beside each other, instead of participating in cunnilingus, rimming or cannibalism?

I wonder if it was done the way it is to strike a controversy--it sells. ( I just had a weird mental image at that)

[Lazario]

The worst thing is really the fact the fruit is in the guy's crotch.

Siren, wow, and it says "Laid by the best", too!

Lazario, doing horrible things, and liking it, doesn't make you adult. That is a factual, true statement.

Being treated like a mini-adult messed Prudence up. Another factual statement.

If we're going to think logically and make a conclusion, children should not be treated like mini-adults. And now, I will throw in what I think, that maybe adults should be treated more like grown children.

Duster, don't intervene unless you - A) have something quality to add to the conversation (not JUST to push in), and B) are up to speed on both sides of the argument. Do you understand? You mentioned my name and commented on some of what I said without actually thinking about it. That's not okay with me.

I stand by everything I said. Because unlike you, I actually look at how children behave and listen to what they say. They're not like the characters on Disney and Nickelodeon shows. They're naive and immature, but that doesn't mean they don't pretend to be adults. If you want to treat them like they're idiots, so be it. But count me out. They don't get their stupid impulses naturally- that they're fed from patronizing people who think they're stupid. But they do get many adult impulses naturally. Deal with it.

But, since in that one case it did happen, what is the point in having pointlessly sexual candy wrappers that could possibly screw someone up? What difference would it make if they were just sitting beside each other, instead of participating in cunnilingus, rimming or cannibalism?

Are you being serious with that?
I can't tell.

[2099net]

I'm sure every single child who looks at the wrapper enough to actually pay attention to it has seen much worse, such as:

[a] Dog's dry-humping people's legs
dogs (or other pets) actually mating (or attempting to)
[c] almost any music video in this day and age

or even something like Disney's own Kim Possible running around in a micro-miniskirt

I don't really see what's so offensive. Most children won't associate it with sexual acts and those who do (because they're already sexually aware) will just laugh it off.

I find tat like Transformers II, where Megan Fox's character is basically nothing but titillation - dressed in inappropriate clothing and contorting to inappropriate poses and perpetuating the idea in formulative minds that women are just objects to be lusted over far, far, far more offensive. If only because it insults people's intelligence in the process - at least this wrapper is just "a bit of fun" for those who notice. (And I must add, I assume millions of people have seen these wrappers so far with nobody giving a moment's notice to the imagery).

This really is a non-story from a non-paper attempting to stir up trouble just for the sake of hits.

Lord above, if such a trivial item can cause so much fuss on UD, can perhaps see why Disney's reluctant to release Song of the South?

[Lazario]

I'm sure every single child who looks at the wrapper enough to actually pay attention to it has seen much worse, such as:

[a] Dog's dry-humping people's legs
(b) dogs (or other pets) actually mating (or attempting to)
[c] almost any music video in this day and age

or even something like Disney's own Kim Possible running around in a micro-miniskirt

I don't really see what's so offensive. Most children won't associate it with sexual acts and those who do (because they're already sexually aware) will just laugh it off.

I find tat like Transformers II, where Megan Fox's character is basically nothing but titillation - dressed in inappropriate clothing and contorting to inappropriate poses and perpetuating the idea in formulative minds that women are just objects to be lusted over far, far, far more offensive. If only because it insults people's intelligence in the process - at least this wrapper is just "a bit of fun" for those who notice. (And I must add, I assume millions of people have seen these wrappers so far with nobody giving a moment's notice to the imagery).

This really is a non-story from a non-paper attempting to stir up trouble just for the sake of hits.

Lord above, if such a trivial item can cause so much fuss on UD, can perhaps see why Disney's reluctant to release Song of the South?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Siren]

2099net....

[Elladorine]

or even something like Disney's own Kim Possible running around in a micro-miniskirt

Speaking of which, that show is just full of sexual tension and innuendo . . . just not in an explicit way (actual screencaps).



These wrappers aren't explicit either. I don't see why children have to be *completely* shielded from the likes of this stuff for the same reasons Netty has stated.

[Siren]

Oh wow.....the captions I can think for this one....

[Elladorine]

Oh wow.....the captions I can think for this one....

I know, right? Or how about this one?



Given the way parents can be, I'm honestly surprised I've never heard complaints about the show, especially since they seem to hold a different standard for Disney when it comes to their children's entertainment.

[Siren]

LMAO! And Ron is watching!

[Disney Duster]

Lazario, I didn't do any of the negative things you said I did, and I have certainly been around real children like most people who live on planet earth have. And I never said to treat them like idiots, but you know, like children which omg, they are, even scientifically deemed so.

[Escapay]

Oh wow.....the captions I can think for this one....

Kim: Your breasts look so firm!

Shego: Thanks. I owe it all to my personal trainer, Hans. That man is a god.

Kim: You'll have to give me his number. I haven't had any luck at all with getting toned up and in shape.

Shego: Why, what happened?

Kim: I've been trying that Buns of Steel video, total rip-off. Ron says I'm up to aluminum, and that's as far as I'll go.

(the two laugh. Shego writes down Hans number and gives it to Kim.)

Shego: Hey, you wanna feel them?

Kim: Um...no.

Shego: Come on! If you don't know what they feel like, you won't know when you have them!

Kim: No, that's okay.

(Shego grabs Kim by her wrists.)

Shego: Come on, feel them! Just squeeze one!

Kim: I said no!

(Shego forces Kim's hands on her.)

Kim: Oh wow! They feel great!

Shego: See what I mean?

Kim: Okay...now this is getting awkward.

Shego: You're right.

(They immediately separate.)

albert

[Lazario]

Lazario, I didn't do any of the negative things you said I did

Yeah you did. And it doesn't really make you look better after the bizarreness coming from you full-force in the "Half-Human / Half-Animal" thread. It paints the portrait of someone idealistic to a fault, and frankly- naive. This doesn't help you either:

like children which omg, they are

Beside the "omg" (which itself is telling), you seem to think "children (because) they are" actually makes your entire point for you.

By the way, I can't reply to PM's. Many board members can't.

[Disney Duster]

Well, if you wanted you could bump the Half-Human Half-Animal Ban thread if you wanted to say anything at all about what I asked or said.

And no, I didn't do those things. That's just what you think. If you keep saying I did, it isn't true, infinitey forever. Yep, I know what I sound like, but I don't want you to keep saying I did and have to keep replying and taking up bandwith.

And yea, children are children and should be treated as they what they are, children, not adults, as they aren't adults. Such factual statements.

[Lazario]

Duster, you have the maturity level of one of those children you think you're so factually stating. And no, I don't know who I am to judge.

I really don't know what absurd notion you have about the way you think all children are. But, like everything else you believe- it's just a fairy tale.

[Disney Duster]

Maybe you forgot I said I knew what I sounded like, but I did it to try and prevent something from happening...

Oh, but I did forget to say even though you may (or may not?) believe the world is random, I believe there is both good and bad in the world of course, but good is more powerful and will win in the end, even the very, very end. And it's great that I am just able to believe that at all.

You seem to think there is a true way the world is, a true answer to how everything really is. No. No one knows all the answers for sure! You don't think there's a single person who knows everything, what's all the meaning, what's behind everything, what all the answers to every question are.

So, you don't have to believe everything, including poor innocent children, are bad (children are innocent in that even if they enjoy doing bad things, NO, they don't fully realize what they are doing or how much pain others are in, they often don't connect that people can feel the same as they do when something bad happens to them, they definately don't fully understand death, just like cartoon violence, oh, I could go on forever). Like I said, believe what makes you happy, because if it makes you happy...well, it's certainly doing something, it's existing in the world and it works for you, maybe it is true. After all, no one truly does know for sure.

And you like many fairy tales, and if you get such strong, special feelings from them, you must wonder if they are based in some fact. No, not magical fairies. But the belief that good overcomes evil and you can be saved from death is deeply set in Disney's Sleeping Beauty, something I love about the film and story.

[Elladorine]

Kim: Okay...now this is getting awkward.

Shego: You're right.

[Lazario]

Yes children do good and bad. I knew that. So? I already said, and stress again, children don't fully comprehend...well, anything, let alone death, consequences, or the pain others are in, even the pain they themselves cause and what they are doing. Even doctors and scientists know of their uncomprehension, they in fact tell us how much so. But even despite that, with children, everyone, thinking and doing good and bad things, every person should still be treated well, as they are special and always capable of doing good. As I said, children should be treated as children, and I think maybe adults should be treated more caringly and gently as well.

Thank you for replying, by the way.

Don't mention. It was bound to happen, you should know well by now I can't keep my mouth shut about things like religion, politics, and social issues.

My point is not that children are pure, concentrated evil. But rather that their capacity for doing bad things and thinking bad thoughts is exactly the same as ours. So we can't play this b.s. game of thinking they are Innocent. They are naive, but they are far from innocent. Especially if you believe in religion- which has become about punishing people for what they do, not why they do it. No one is exempt. If they are innocent when they commit an act of violence or make a sexual advance, everyone else is innocent for doing the same thing. And of course, that's why I don't buy the religious baloney that I hear. They made up the rule before thinking how it works, logically and rationally.

My point is that - children can have a lot of fun being naive and you can choose to see that naivety as cuteness and innocence (even when they are thinking things in their head that would turn your face whiter than a fluorescent light blub). But for us to be that naive in thinking, when we should know better... is downright stupid. We're not young and innocent enough to get away with calling it "naive" to think children are all like they are on Barney & Friends. It's stupid at our age.

So, it's time to grow up. And to stop whining about a few suggestive elements in pop culture. The overt ones are bad enough.

[Disney Duster]

I forgot to reply to the thing about stories, I edited my thread back in the human/animal ban thread. Just in case you missed that one, I felt it was important to say, 'cause it's pretty true.

As for children...

look, I know that children can think and do bad things just as adults can, and some really horrible twisted things too. Yet, knowing this, I can also say they are innocent, and also good at heart.

I can know they are capable of bad things and still think they are innocent as most people in the world do.

I mean, a 6 year old could be caught on tape axing her parents, and we wouldn't give the child the same consequences as an adult. I don't think of certain ages like 6 or 10 when I say "children are innocent". If you don't get that I can get that children think and do terrible things but still are innocent in a sense, then oh well, you just will not get that.

That said, I do think we should be gentler to adults as well. Forgiveness, and I don't think anyone's really evil. Even when I think of fairy tales, I think they may "be evil" at the time but could be good if they wanted, or maybe in their cases they are from hell, or took in evil from hell, which is where I do seperate fairy tales from my own beliefs. Just as you don't like every single thing presented in one movie, of course.

Oh, and I don't think the first Randy Candy, with the lemon was that bad, though the guy does look like he is intending something mean and, perhaps, evil, heh, to the lemon, even if just eating it. The cherries, however, he is laid back with them in his crotch!

[Lazario]

Since the rest of that reply is merely your personal belief, I'll just reply to this last bit:

Oh, and I don't think the first Randy Candy, with the lemon was that bad, though the guy does look like he is intending something mean and, perhaps, evil, heh, to the lemon, even if just eating it. The cherries, however, he is laid back with them in his crotch!

If you're going to be so technical, Duster, you can't forget that over 99% of all animated non-humans don't have sexual organs. The only sensation he's getting is with his tongue. So if the people who would make a fuss over this can't understand that for themselves, that's their problem.