The Diamond Collection

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:07 pm

You suppose there's a chance that The Black Cauldron will get a BD release, and uncut?

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:15 pm

Barbossa wrote:Don't forget, there won't be any after Cinderella. The world is going to blow up that December.

Oh yay, I get to have my favorite one on Blu-ray right before we all perish!

JDCB1986 wrote:Also, while they previously announced they were going to use the IMAX prints for Beauty And The Beast, The Lion King & Aladdin, they are now promising to use the original negatives ! Great news !!

Actually...I think the press release forgot they'll be using the IMAX prints...but I do hope you could be right.

The new Diamond Collection takes full advantage of the newest breakthroughs in film restoration to exhibit these movies in Blu-ray Hi-Def, ensuring each film is digitally enhanced from their original negatives providing for the first time ever a pristine 1080p picture and Dolby Digital 7.1 surround sound.

ENHANCED? No, we're supposed to see them the original way they were! They're supposed to be restored to their original look, original colors, original everything, no enchancement, no changes!!! Ah nooooo!

UNLESS they mean enchanced to have more resolution, 1080p, but I thought films were always in high-def since they were made, and how could you make a higher resolution out of less resolution?

diego14_1992 · Post by **diego14_1992** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:02 pm

Can we please not turn yet another thread into a Blu-ray vs. DVD debacle ? This thread is to discuss The Diamond Collection. If The Diamond Collection is exclusively Blu-ray, then that is that. Don't like it ? Don't post here.

Ok..ummm "JDCB1986" calm down

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:14 pm

JDCB1986 wrote:Also, while they previously announced they were going to use the IMAX prints for Beauty And The Beast, The Lion King & Aladdin, they are now promising to use the original negatives ! Great news !!

I thought the general consensus was that Aladdin's IMAX print only added detail, keeping everything else unaltered (well, except Genie's "take off and go" line and the opening song), making it superior to the original. I thought the Aladdin IMAX version looked fantastic on DVD and was looking forward to that on Blu-ray. Beauty And The Beast and The Lion King made changes so I guess the original negatives will be good but wouldn't they have digital files instead of negatives (for some reason I have it in my head that negatives are only with film). Either way, I'm sure they'll all look fantastic.

JDCB1986 · Post by **JDCB1986** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:27 pm

Disney Duster wrote:
JDCB1986 wrote:Also, while they previously announced they were going to use the IMAX prints for Beauty And The Beast, The Lion King & Aladdin, they are now promising to use the original negatives ! Great news !!
Actually...I think the press release forgot they'll be using the IMAX prints...but I do hope you could be right.

From the first post... "Disney promises that each title will be remastered from the original negative (when available) for a pristine 1080p picture and stunning 7.1 soundtrack. As with all special Disney releases, these titles will only be available for a limited time."

I don't think the "press release forgot" haha. I'm sure whoever wrote the press release knew what they were talking about. I mean, only time will tell, but I think, since this is the official press release, that it is probably the most accurate. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

diego14_1992 wrote:
Can we please not turn yet another thread into a Blu-ray vs. DVD debacle ? This thread is to discuss The Diamond Collection. If The Diamond Collection is exclusively Blu-ray, then that is that. Don't like it ? Don't post here.
Ok..ummm "JDCB1986" calm down

I'm perfectly calm.

jpanimation wrote:
JDCB1986 wrote:Also, while they previously announced they were going to use the IMAX prints for Beauty And The Beast, The Lion King & Aladdin, they are now promising to use the original negatives ! Great news !!

I thought the general consensus was that Aladdin's IMAX print only added detail, keeping everything else unaltered (well, except Genie's "take off and go" line and the opening song), making it superior to the original. I thought the Aladdin IMAX version looked fantastic on DVD and was looking forward to that on Blu-ray. Beauty And The Beast and The Lion King made changes so I guess the original negatives will be good but wouldn't they have digital files instead of negatives (for some reason I have it in my head that negatives are only with film). Either way, I'm sure they'll all look fantastic.

Well Aladdin isn't one of the titles included in the press release. So they could go back to the original negatives for Beauty And The Beast & The Lion King while still using the IMAX print for Aladdin.

The Little Merboy · Post by **The Little Merboy** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:52 am

amazon980 wrote:I half to wait 4yrs for TLM on blu!

My sentiments exactly!

Harbinger · Post by **Harbinger** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:30 am

All I need is Beauty and the Beast and Fantasias dvds (I really don't need Blu-Ray) and then I have all the Platinums/Diamonds of all the best classic disney films.

Old Fish Tale · Post by **Old Fish Tale** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:11 am

diego14_1992 wrote:I can't believe freakin disney is not making this editions on dvd!!!!
It said so on the press release...um not upgrading to Blu-Ray Disney!

Don't worry! I'm sure we'll get DVDs too!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:21 am

Disney Duster wrote:[
The new Diamond Collection takes full advantage of the newest breakthroughs in film restoration to exhibit these movies in Blu-ray Hi-Def, ensuring each film is digitally enhanced from their original negatives providing for the first time ever a pristine 1080p picture and Dolby Digital 7.1 surround sound.
ENHANCED? No, we're supposed to see them the original way they were! They're supposed to be restored to their original look, original colors, original everything, no enchancement, no changes!!! Ah nooooo!

UNLESS they mean enchanced to have more resolution, 1080p, but I thought films were always in high-def since they were made, and how could you make a higher resolution out of less resolution?

The enhancement could mean sound mixes - I assume all will be 7.1. Its amazing how people complain about the visuals but accept changes to the sound so easily. And before you mention you get the "mono" too - in Europe we don't (and based on the Pinocchio Mono faux-pas, you don't get the original Mono in the US either).

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:27 am

I think the comment about original negatives can't be taken as gospel. No way will Disney transfer a CAPS film from the film negative. They'll do it from the digital files, just like they have from for the majority of CAPS produced DVDs (all infact, except early CAPS DVDs).

As for IMAX or not, again I don't think it should be taken literally. A Beauty and the Beast: Special Edition still has an original negative/source - because its literally a different film. If they release Beauty and the Beast: Special Edition in the B&tB slot - the original negative/source will be the IMAX one.

I've not explained that very well, but hopefully you can see what I mean.

In short - I don't expect Disney to change - after all, the DVDs they sold with IMAX and "Original" cuts available hardly flopped in the marketplace, and boasting two edits on the packaging is another selling point to the general masses.

Mooky · Post by **Mooky** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:32 am

JDCB1986 wrote:
Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment have formally announced the Diamond Collection, which represents 14 of the most beloved and historic animated films the studio has ever made. Each title will be thoroughly restored for the highest level of picture and sound. Additionally, each Blu-ray will feature ground-breaking special features that promise to push the limits of Blu-ray.

Bob Chapek, President of Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment commented, "Because today's family rooms are more technologically-advanced and consumer expectations are higher than ever, we are excited to announce the launch of the Diamond Collection. We believe that the collection offers consumers the opportunity to enjoy these timeless classics like never before, and underlines Disney's commitment to continue to bring the best quality product and immersive experiences in to the home."

The first title to be released will be the October 6th Blu-ray release of 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs', after which two titles will be released each year from the collection. For 2010, 'Beauty and the Beast' and 'Fantasia and Fantasia 2000' have been scheduled for Blu-ray release. The remainder of the titles - 'The Lion King', 'Bambi', 'Cinderella', 'Lady and the Tramp', 'The Little Mermaid', 'Peter Pan', 'The Jungle Book', and '101 Dalmatians' - will be released sometime in 2011-2015, completed by re-releases of 'Sleeping Beauty' and 'Pinocchio' as part of the Diamond Collection.

Disney promises that each title will be remastered from the original negative (when available) for a pristine 1080p picture and stunning 7.1 soundtrack. As with all special Disney releases, these titles will only be available for a limited time.
and from the press release...
Anaheim, Calif. (D23 Expo) – September 10th, 2009 – Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment (WDSHE) announced the launch of the new Diamond Collection today at the D23 Expo. Diamond Collection is the definitive collection of the Walt Disney Studios most historic and beloved animated classics that will debut on Blu-ray™ Hi-Def.

Beginning with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs on October 6, the Diamond Collection comprises an additional 13 of Disney’s most treasured titles, including: Beauty and the Beast; Fantasia and Fantasia 2000; The Lion King; Bambi; Cinderella; Lady and the Tramp; The Little Mermaid; Peter Pan; The Jungle Book; 101 Dalmatians; Sleeping Beauty; and Pinocchio.

“Walt Disney’s gift of telling captivating and engaging stories was matched only by his passion for presenting them in the most spectacular way,” commented The Walt Disney Studios Chairman Dick Cook. “We are proud to continue his pursuit of excellence with ‘The Diamond Collection,’ which brings the films that are the foundation of our Company to audiences of all ages across the globe.”

As part of the new Diamond Collection criteria, each film will be thoroughly restored to the highest level of picture and sound, feature groundbreaking, state-of-the-art immersive bonus content, and include unprecedented levels of interactivity, personalization and customization only made possible by Blu-ray technology. The Disney Diamond Collection will represent a major transformation of the home entertainment industry providing families with more engaging, entertaining experiences than any other format.

Bob Chapek, President of Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment adds, “Because today’s family rooms are more technologically-advanced and consumer expectations are higher than ever, we are excited to announce the launch of the Diamond Collection. We believe that the collection offers consumers the opportunity to enjoy these timeless classics like never before, and underlines Disney’s commitment to continue to bring the best quality product and immersive experiences in to the home.”

They forgot to say "This list is subject to change the moment one of these titles underperforms".

DisneyFreak5282 · Post by **DisneyFreak5282** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:12 pm

Old Fish Tale wrote:
diego14_1992 wrote:I can't believe freakin disney is not making this editions on dvd!!!!
It said so on the press release...um not upgrading to Blu-Ray Disney!
Don't worry! I'm sure we'll get DVDs too!

Yeah, we probably will. On the home page it stated that Snow White's DVD release this fall would only be branded as a "2-Disc Set", so I'm sure that while these Diamond Edition Blu-Rays will be released, a "2-Disc Set" DVD will accompany it.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:19 pm

Mike Duster wrote:UNLESS they mean enchanced to have more resolution, 1080p, but I thought films were always in high-def since they were made, and how could you make a higher resolution out of less resolution?

Film can be scanned to as many as 6000 lines of resolution, which is likely what "enhanced" means, as VHS was only 250 lines, laserdisc was 420 lines, DVD is 520 lines, and Blu-Ray can range from 720 to 1080 lines. Of course, we're not gonna actually get 6000 lines on the Blu-Ray. Probably just a down-conversion to 1080.

So for restoration, it's likely being enhanced by being scanned and remastered in higher resolution than the last restoration.

It's like how HD masters created in 2000 aren't as good as HD masters created in 2009. The advances in technology between now and then provides different/better results.

albert

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:34 am

^ Well, I hope that is the only case.

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