All The 'Canon' Disney Animated Films And Their Derivatives

[tlc38tlc38]

who really cares if Dinosaur is added to a list or not? it's a list!!! if you own the movie and enjoy it, watch it. if you don't own the movie and don't like it, don't buy it. i wouldn't concern myself with the list. personally, i enjoy the movie. i think it has visually stunning animation along with beautiful real-life backgrounds. the storyline isn't one of disney's best, but it somehow fits.

sadly, everything on this earth is labeled.

[ichabod]

Well I've found a flaw in your plan. You say that Dinosaur is included because it was begun at WDFA, then handled by the secret lab.

Well *newsflash* because A Goofy Movie was also started at WDFA before production was transferred to the Paris, Australia and Canada units.

Lasseter isn't the Disney president, he's only a creative officer but it seems like he's top dog. Like it or hate it - this is HIS Disney in terms of animation. He's doing what he wants and whether what he wants is good or bad in our eyes, we can't stop it.

I have a loaded gun that begs to differ.



Also also the fact that he and Jobs are the major shareholders in Disney animation means that actually he is in charge.

And just to point out one thing. Doesn't the fact that you've posted this list in lots of places and you've been greeted with such a resounding negative reaction that you've taken to prefacing your messages tell you something?

[Neal]

At IMDb everyone really liked the idea and even said we should begin a weekly movie club where we watched one movie a week in my order and then discuss it - like a book club.

At a different forum they were negative but not because of my film choices - but rather because it seemed like I was suggesting that the classic films were somewhere on par with the sequels.

Here you all seem conflicted by what to include or not to include.

So I've had three different types of responses.

Either way, even if the internet has a welcome mat, this particular part of the internet had a no trespassing sign for people like you.

[Escapay]

All this brouhaha about a fan-made list makes me want to make my own!

Here's MY official list of the Official Disney Films in the Official Disney Animated Canon of Officialness...

Seven Men Find A Little Girl
The Boy Who Wanted To Be Real
Trippin' Out
A Pachyderm With Big Ears
The Boy Deer With The Girl's Name
Hello My Spanish Friends!
A Trio of Singing Birds
Music and Lyrics
A Mouse, A Duck, A Dog, and a Giant, Oh My!
More Music and More Lyrics
A Rampant Car and a Freaky Pumpkin
The Girl with the Tiny Feet
Trippin' Out with Alice
The Amazing Flying Children
Two Dogs Fall In Love
The Fairies Who United A Kingdom
Dogs Versus Crazy Lady With Black and White Hair
Extra Extra: Boy Pulls Sword From Hunk of Rock
Animals Sing and Dance in the Wild
Kidnapped Kitties
Animals Sing and Dance in Medieval England
The Bear of Very Little Brain
Two Mice Save Little Orphan
Two Enemies Become Friends
Gurgi Saves the World!
English Detectives Who Are Mice
A Cat Lost In New York
The Tiny Fishgirl Who Gave It All Up For A Guy
Two Mice Save Another Kid
Educating Beasty
Genie
The Brat Who Would Be King
The New World and The People Who Came To Tear It Down
A Guy Who Isn't Wearing A Mask
A Guy Who Isn't Yet A God
I Was A Male Soldier: The Fa Mulan Story
Me Tarzan, You Jane
Not Really Trippin' Out Anymore
The King Who Turned Into A Llama
The Secret Underworld City
A Girl And Her Alien
Treasure Island For SciFi Nurds
A Man Who Learns To Love
Cows
The Chicken Who Told The Truth But Nobody Believed Him
The Boy Who Went Into The Future to Fix the Past, Or Was it the Present?
The Dog with Buzz Lightyear Syndrome

All these movies are official because they're in my official list.

albert

[Neal]

Ell Oh Ell!

[Sky Syndrome]

In my list, Atlantis: The Lost Empire is called Wish I Saw Shrek Instead. Explanation: Back in 2001, I went to a theater with my family that only played two movies at once. Atlantis and Shrek were those films. I was the only family member who decided to watch Atlantis (I'm the Disney nut of the family). After we all came out of the movies, I was pretty disappointed with Atlantis and got jealous hearing about how good and funny Shrek was. I haven't watched Atlantis again since then.

[ToyStoryFan]

Neal, this is a great idea, and something I actually planned to do myself ocne I own all the animated classics. The only thing is that I personally would not incldue the sequels/prequels, but that's just me (except for "Resucers Down Under," since that's on the official list). I'd only watch the official animated classics. Disney no longer numbers their animated films, but I have a very strong feeling that if they did, TPATF would be #49, right after Bolt. That's why I wouldn't include the sequels -- they aren't really considered official animated classics. But it's your call! The list you posted is perfect, I can't see any changes needed. Have fun!

[tlc38tlc38]

Disney DOES still number their films.

Here's the list:
http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html

I call it official, but some people don't. It's basically up to you what you want to call official. I'm not getting into an argment over Dinosaur....it's not worth an argument.

[ToyStoryFan]

Disney doesn't really number them anymore. For example, watch the Pocahontas trailer. They proudly say.... "Disney's 33 animated feature.... Pocahontas!!" They do not do that anymore. I honestly think it's because Disney themselves have no idea what to include in the official list. It gets confusing as to what exactly the criteria is. But, judging from past history, no sequels, no prequels were ever on there. Dinosaur was never on the official list until after they stopped numbering them. That's why IMO the sequels and things like Dinosaur don't count. They didn't before.

[yukitora]

yukitora - I just wanted to watch all the Disney character films by next year. In no way did I mean to imply the sequels, etc. were anywhere near on par the official films. But they aren't all steaming piles of poo, either. I just wanted to watch everything Disney. If I watch two a weekend next year I could do it.

Like you, I don't think these are all so terrible films. Their official predecessors were meant as art, meant for everyone - 0 to 100. Their sequels were made with children largely in mind. They aren't babyish, per se, but they aren't quite as mature as their counterparts. If you go into them with the mindset that they'll be as well-rounded and open as the originals, then you'll of course be mistaken. I was expecting Kronk's New Groove to be funny for someone my age (17) for instance. I found the Emperor's New Groove to have humor suited to me. Kronk's New Groove, however, did not. So, I went into Pooh's Heffalump Movie expecting it to be cute, but not much else. It was, in my opinion, heartwarming and fun, too.

Finally! Somebody who understands the sequels were made for 30 year old Disney buffs...

yukitora - I'm an extreme Disney enthusiast, but I've never seen most of the classic films or their derivatives. You'll find I'm actually a bit lacking in my Disney repertoire, my parents didn't take me to these films, or buy them for me, and I'm only 17, so I'm looking forward to watching the films in chronological order but also catching up on all the classics I missed, and see all the supplementals.

There's people who have seen many of the classics multiple times or have seen all the derivatives over time.

I've seen barely any, so what I'm doing isn't that much different - I'm just watching them in a shorter amount of time.

But thank you so much for your input! I don't think this will water down my feelings for PatF. If it begins to be overkill, I'll quit so as not to ruin the beauty PatF is sure to be.

You and I are VERY alike... except I'm only 16. At the start of this year, I had the goal to watch every single Disney film in the "official canon", which I finally finished around May. However I disregarded the sequels because I just thought there were way too many and it just take a lot of resources and time tracking them all down, especially because their not very easy to find where I live (I find it amusing that their 'put back into the vault'). Anyhow, good luck with this! You're going to have a lot of fun.

[Widdi]

In my list, Atlantis: The Lost Empire is called Wish I Saw Shrek Instead

Funny, I call Shrek: Wish I had of Seen Atlantis.

[Jack Skellington]

Hey that's such a nice "Official list" scaps.

The titles are very self-explanatory !

[MK Sharp]

Here's the list:
http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html

Amusingly The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh doesn't have a link to part of the Disney site; it links to Wikipedia instead.

[Neal]

ToyStoryFan - thanks so much for being encouraging! It's refreshing! However, Disney does still acknowledge their canon's numbering system as evidenced by a press release they put out only a week ago for Oliver & Company's 20th Anniversary DVD:

BURBANK, Calif., October 20, 2008 – Fall in love with Oliver & Company’s adorable gang of animal outcasts all over again on February 3, 2009 from Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment. Disney’s 27th full-length animated film celebrates its 20th anniversary in a special edition DVD with enough fun and laughter for the whole family.
Brilliant animation, a fantastic soundtrack and the amazing voice talents of Billy Joel, Bette Midler, and Huey Lewis, put Oliver & Company on track to win the hearts of a whole new generation.

So they are still using the canon number system for promotion.

yukitora - that's cool that you did this, too! Originally, I only planned to do the canon films as well but after a while just decided to slot in the derivative films, as well. Yes, the sequels are hard to find - even the canon films are hard to find. I have all of the canon films either on VHS or DVD except for Make Mine Music and Treasure Planet. I'm missing about 10 derivative films altogether. But it took a lot of tracking down work - from strange and unexpected places (like a gas station having Bambi II sealed, or a Goodwill having a sealed copy of Home on the Range) to ordering online ($35 on e-bay for the Fantasia box set). It's been exciting to see my collection grow and come closer to completion.

I haven't seen Atlantis yet. Saw Shrek - nothing special. Then again, I'm just not a big DreamWorks fan at all.

Strange, every film at the WDAS site leads to another Disney site except Pooh - I never noticed that before you said it. I wonder what makes it the one excpetion?!

[akhenaten]

"don't they have sarcasm where u come from?"
-mrs. calloway

[pap64]

Only Scaps could turn a rabid fanboy argument into a mockery of itself in a matter of minutes...

[ichabod]

In my list, Atlantis: The Lost Empire is called Wish I Saw Shrek Instead

Funny, I call Shrek: Wish I had of Seen Atlantis.

Right there with ya!

"don't they have sarcasm where u come from?"
-mrs. calloway

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Someone quoted Home on the Range!

You're my UD member of the week!

[2099net]

OK - firstly who mentioned The Wild or Valliant when discussing Dinosaur? As far as I can tell, it was only you Neal.

The reason people are against Dinosaur being included is because it wasn't a WDFA project. The Secret Lab were bought and employed for Special Effects work. Disney wanted to challenge ILM when it came to digital effects. Dinosaur (as far as I know) was conceived as a huge feature length "showreel" – that's one of the reasons it was shot with real-life footage for the backgrounds. It would show The Secret Lab's digital matting skill. It's also why monkey creatures were in the film – to show of their digital hair/fur skills. Its also why there was a massive meteor explosion – to show off their explosions. The whole movie was greenlit on business rather than creative grounds. Watching the movie and its somewhat mediocre story, you can't help but feel other concerns came above the narrative.

If you're going to argue that WDFA had some hand in the work, you may as well include Mary Poppins and Bedknobs and Broomsticks in your films.

Secondly, I'm all for Teacher's Pet being included if we are stepping out from just including WDFA movies. You say it’s a movie from a television series as if that makes it equal to something you may have accidently stepped on in the street. So what? Peter Pan is a movie from a rather juvenile stage play/panto. Tarzan is a movie from a series of books which eventually degraded into cheap pulp sci-fi. Winnie the Pooh is a movie from a series of shorts.

Teacher's Pet should be included for one reason, and one reason only. It's bloody brilliant. It has more style, imagination, life, energy and wit than half the official "canon" movies put togther.

Finally, I'm somewhat perplexed why you posted this at all, it seems you simply want positive feedback and thus validation of your list. If this is a personal list, why would you want that? Surely you should accept positive and negative responses?

[akhenaten]

"i would be honored by that" - no need to name her.

[Neal]

2099net - No one did. However they did mention just about EVERYTHING else (James, Nightmare, Goofy) ... so I thought I'd throw in the only two they missed.

All I know is that they are now including Dinosaur as canon and so I'm going off that. I'm choosing to follow the canon as defined by the WDAS site. It matches the canon that has been followed since the early 80's with the exception of the recently added Dinosaur. So I believe it is 'official'.

I'm following the animated features canon. That means films where the animation outweighs or equals the live action. The films such as Bedknobs and Poppins are hybrids and don't really fit into the animated features canon.

It has nothing to do with the fact it's a TV show. The rules for my 'canon with all derivatives' list are so simple: take the 51 canon films as currently defined by the WDAS and add all derivative sequels, prequels, midquels, etc. Nothing else.

So even though there's nothing wrong with Teacher's Pet, it isn't a canon film or a follow-up to a canon film. It doesn't belong. Same for Gargoyles, etc.

I wasn't bashing Teacher's Pet, merely saying it didn't match my rules.

No, I'm okay with constructive criticism...which you offered. I just don't like certain people who outright go "wow this is a stupid pursuit", "wow this is obsessive compulsive", "you're stupid for doing this" without anything to add or suggest.

You had something to suggest, which is what I was looking for.