Please help: confusion about PE line

[yukitora]

The reason why people believe that Aladdin in no longer in the platinum line is because it has been taken out of the vault and released overseas under Disney's new line, the "Musical Masterpiece Edition" line.

[singerguy04]

I'd like to know why just because it's not going to be released in the same order as before people assume it's not a part of the PE line. Sure it was released as a Musical Masterpiece edition in the UK but Alice was released as a Gold Collection, a Masterpiece Edition (just 4 years after the Gold Collection), and now a Platinum Edition. Who says Disney can't release Aladdin as a PE again in 2012? That brings up another point, since when can you take a film out of a specific line after it has already been released in it? To me Aladdin will allways be in the Platinum line because it's already been released.

[rexcrk]

I remember when Aladdin was released on DVD... best day of my life (I have lots of those xD).

But it was great, because Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie

[tlc38tlc38]

We really don't even know for a fact that ALICE is getting released under the PE line....do we?

[Widdi]

What's the point of putting out The Little Mermaid Trilogy if it's only going to be available for 1 month? I think it should be out longer then that, fair enough if Disney don't want it hanging around for another year but a month is just ridiculous. Not everyone is going to be able to run out and get it within that month, Disney should at least allow a couple, surely?

Seem thing happened with the Cinderella Trilogy. The third movie was released during the year, the second came in Dec and it went OOP in January. It's just a ploy to get people to buy it. Just like the "Last time EVER to buy Sleeping Beauty on DVD and Blu-Ray" campaign they've been advertising on TV since the PE came out. The DVDs will be on the shelves for months after they go OOP.

People are just jumping to conclusions about Aladdin being removed because Alice has been added. If you look at the schedule properly you will see that the 4 PEs that were released before they started putting them out 2 per year are being re-issued in the fall with a new title in the spring. Aladdin wasn't replaced, Alice was simply added, and it is very likely (should that schedule prove to be accurate in release dates anyways) that a 16th title will be added to be released in spring 2012, with Aladdin following in the fall.

For those of you who don't see what I mean look at this

Spring 09: Pinocchio
Fall 09: Snow White
Spring 10: Fantasia, Fantasia 2000
Fall 10: Beauty and the Beast
Spring 11: Alice in Wonderland
Fall 11: The Lion King
Spring 12: ???
Fall 12: Aladdin
Spring 13: Bambi
Fall 13: Cinderella

and so on and so forth with the biannually titles just recurring.

And the Musical Masterpiece Edition in non R1 countries is an indicator of nothing. Both Peter Pan and Pinocchio have had 2-Disc sets released in other countries and still had a PE follow soon after. Besides the MMEs are not on Blu-Ray and I'm sure Disney will want to put Aladdin out on BR eventually which means another release in the countries the MME has come out in.

[tlc38tlc38]

You mentioned a 16th possible release in the PE line...maybe it's DUMBO!!!

[Widdi]

You mentioned a 16th possible release in the PE line...maybe it's DUMBO!!!

2012 is about the time a new Dumbo DVD should come out. Dumbo seems to be released every 5-6 years to Home Video/DVD. It would make sense too, since it would put all of the films from the two golden ages in the PE line.

Sadly I don't see it happening though. I suspect we get Lilo & Stitch: 10th Anniversary Platinum Edition or Tarzan: Platinum Edition.

I'm rooting for Dumbo though (that is if the spot actually exists).

Of course I think this whole thing will be proven false when Alice pops out on DVD in spring of 2010 to cross-promote the Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland movie.

Disney does love their cross promotions and that one is just too good not to use.

[tlc38tlc38]

I think the best thing for us to do is just wait and see what happens. But I really don't think that Aladdin is being taken away from the PE line.

[jotaabs]

I think the best thing for us to do is just wait and see what happens. But I really don't think that Aladdin is being taken away from the PE line.

I agree, i mean "let's take off Aladdin just because we want Alice." The film is already on the line, what's the point of take it out now?
why don't simply "let's ADD Alice because everyone will be happy."

[2099net]

Sorry, but all evidence points to Aladdin being removed from the line. Nobody made up that slide. It official. So are the listings from official Disney sites in Europe. So is the release of Aladdin Musical Masterpiece Edition. Notice there's no Beauty and the Beast or Little Mermaid edition planned. Disney would not Vault and then un-vault with a new release one of their Platinum lines.

The simple fact is Aladdin underperformed when it was released on DVD, and Alice probably overperformed to expectations. Being as the whole Platinum line is based on sales, its not a surprise if it was dropped. Artistic merit doesn't come into it.

But ultimately the branding on the disc makes no difference. Aladdin is still one of the best 2 disc releases on DVD, easily better than Platinum editions like 101 Dalmatians and (the slap-dash horror that was) Peter Pan. So what does it matter? Anyhow the way Disney seem to keep adding movies to the Platinum line, they may as all be. I can't wait for Teachers Pet: Platinum Edition (which trust me, deserves it more than some other titles already in the range do).

[Widdi]

Until Disney actually says anything on the subject directly, I believe nothing.

All we have at this point are unofficial time lines that don't even stretch far enough to show Aladdin's re-release. If it was made by Disney there would not be Spell-check lines on it and it would be accurate which it has already proven itself not to be.

And non-English websites mean nothing. Many countries released the PEs under different banners. English speaking countries (and not all of them at that) are the only places where the line has been released in its entirety under the PE banner.

Thus far Disney has officially announced NOTHING pointing to either Aladdin being dropped, or Alice being added to the line. If they wanted to add Alice so badly why did they not announce it when they made the press release regarding the future of the Platinum line?

Pretty much everything at this point is speculation that doesn't offer a concrete argument either way.

[2099net]

Until Disney actually says anything on the subject directly, I believe nothing.

They have on various non-US websites. More to the point, they have re-released it outside the Platinum/Special Edition range.

All we have at this point are unofficial time lines that don't even stretch far enough to show Aladdin's re-release. If it was made by Disney there would not be Spell-check lines on it and it would be accurate which it has already proven itself not to be.

It has spell check lines on it, because it was (presumably) configured for Spanish language checking and Platinum is not a Spanish word - and probably the screen grab in question was taken from a different computer than the one used for the actual public presentation.

And non-English websites mean nothing. Many countries released the PEs under different banners. English speaking countries (and not all of them at that) are the only places where the line has been released in its entirety under the PE banner.

But they mirrored the Platinum release schedule 100%, branding or no-branding.

Thus far Disney has officially announced NOTHING pointing to either Aladdin being dropped, or Alice being added to the line. If they wanted to add Alice so badly why did they not announce it when they made the press release regarding the future of the Platinum line?

Pretty much everything at this point is speculation that doesn't offer a concrete argument either way.

Why would Disney announced Alice being added to the line years before it's release? And why would Disney ever announce a title being removed from the line? You'd expect Disney PR to want to sweep such a move under the carpet rather than shout it from the rooftops.

[The Little Merboy]

so according to this, i have to wait til' 2014 for The Little Mermaid on BluRay? by then some other kind of HD disc/movie player will have come out, and i'll be 30

[Dr_Cox]

Aladdin was released here in the UK under the "Musical masterpiece" banner, becasue it went OOP over here years ago, years before it was 'vaulted' in January. Therfore we were WAY overdue a new edition of it. We also don't have the 'Platnium' line over here - well we didn't until 101 dalmations - so I wouldn't say it is not part of the platnuim line just because it is called a ' Musical materpiece'. The only DVD we have over here which is labelled a Platnium is 101 Dalmtions.
My guess is they will keep the musical edition out for a little while longer, then vault it in time for it to be re released as a special/platnium edition DVD and Blu Ray.

[singerguy04]

This also doesn't mean that it wont be a PE in R1 still. Since we didn't get the Musical Masterpiece edition, maybe when it's re-released it will still be called a Platinum

[DisneyFreak5282]

I hate the fact that Aladdin is going to be re-released in the PE line. I could see how it makes a little bit of sense to rerelease Snow White, BatB and TLK, because maybe not everyone had DVD players back when these 3 were released, but I just don't like how they're doing it under the PE line. But to rerelease Aladdin so soon after the first PE makes no sense at all, especially since it's going to be a PE again. Plus, the first PE didn't sell well at all. I like how Disney is releasing films as Platinum Editions, but I don't think it's logical to rerelease the same movie under the PE line twice. ESPECIALLY when there are tons of other DACs that deserve MAJOR upgrading.

[Disney Duster]

So DisneyFreak, you think Disney should not vault their DVDs, and instead keep them out forever?

Well the current idea is, once it's a Platinum, it's a Platinum forever, because a movie never loses it's specialness.

But since it was originally based on sales...maybe if it loses it's sales, it will lose it's status. But a film like Pinocchio wasn't a big home video seller, they added it because it is considered such a monumental film.

I like Disney constantly re-releasing the classics. They are always finding new things for their special films, like Sleeping Beauty's aspect ratio and recordings in Berlin.

Anyway, you must have forgotten that even though all the Disney Animated Classic's have come to DVD, all of them except Sleeping Beauty have yet to come to Blu-ray. Well, there was Chicken Little, but there's no way that has become a true classic yet and I refuse to acknowledge it, whatever Disney officially says. Just like I know Aladdin and Dumbo are way more special than Alice in Wonderland.

Wait...actually a lot of Disney advertising said Sleeping Beauty was the first animated classic on Blu-ray! No seriously, not that it was just the first Platinum, but the first DAC! Well...that makes me quite happy. Take that Chicken Little.

EDIT: Yea SOME advertising said it was the first Platinum, but I think SOME also said it was the first animated classic.

[tlc38tlc38]

So DisneyFreak, you think Disney should not vault their DVDs, and instead keep them out forever?

Well the current idea is, once it's a Platinum, it's a Platinum forever, because a movie never loses it's specialness.

But since it was originally based on sales...maybe if it loses it's sales, it will lose it's status. But a film like Pinocchio wasn't a big home video seller, they added it because it is considered such a monumental film.

I like Disney constantly re-releasing the classics. They are always finding new things for their special films, like Sleeping Beauty's aspect ratio and recordings in Berlin.

Anyway, you must have forgotten that even though all the Disney Animated Classic's have come to DVD, all of them except Sleeping Beauty have yet to come to Blu-ray. Well, there was Chicken Little, but there's no way that has become a true classic yet and I refuse to acknowledge it, whatever Disney officially says. Just like I know Aladdin and Dumbo are way more special than Alice in Wonderland.

Wait...actually a lot of Disney advertising said Sleeping Beauty was the first animated classic on Blu-ray! No seriously, not that it was the first Platinum, but the first DAC! Well...that makes me quite happy. Take that Chicken Little.

Actually, from what I remember in the commercials it does say "first platinum" to be released on blu-ray.

[gregmasciola]

I hate the fact that Aladdin is going to be re-released in the PE line. I could see how it makes a little bit of sense to rerelease Snow White, BatB and TLK, because maybe not everyone had DVD players back when these 3 were released, but I just don't like how they're doing it under the PE line. But to rerelease Aladdin so soon after the first PE makes no sense at all, especially since it's going to be a PE again. Plus, the first PE didn't sell well at all. I like how Disney is releasing films as Platinum Editions, but I don't think it's logical to rerelease the same movie under the PE line twice. ESPECIALLY when there are tons of other DACs that deserve MAJOR upgrading.

Of course they're going to re-release it in the PE line. All of the titles will eventually be re-released. That's the whole plan, to release the title for about 2 years, vault it (which I hate!) and then re-release it. That's the whole point of the Platinum Line.

[Disney Duster]

Actually, from what I remember in the commercials it does say "first platinum" to be released on blu-ray.

Yea, some say that also. The Blu-ray slipcover touts it as Walt Disney's first animated classic on Blu-ray. Yes, I know, they said Walt Disney's.