Eurovision Song Contest 2008 - Belgrade, Serbia

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2099net wrote:I think it's great that there are people who still want to submit songs. I really do. But if you did Julian, do you think you would have a snowball's chance of coming in the top half once the results were in? The only way you could is with a "gimmick" entry or by moving East. Which sort of undermines the whole concept doesn't it? Thus it becomes a joke.
No, I doubt it. I'd probably just be thrilled I'm lucky to take part. Don't forget it would be very difficult for me to get selected from my own country. The Malta Song for Europe Festival has now almost totally done away with the jury system. When Daniela took part, she was competing against Olivia Lewis. Honestly, I knew she didn't really have a chance at winning, because the public was going to vote for the popular, established, poor-Olivia-who's-never-made-it-to-Eurovision-despite-trying-like-300-times. Who was going to vote for an unknown 16 year old girl with just her guitar and her sweet song?

I dislike the televoting system. :roll:
Netty wrote:I think recently the contest has gained a lot more respect. I know you can point to some of our entries as being a bit camp and tongue-in-cheek.
Actually I think UK entries are normally quite solid. Lemme see, last year Scooch was good, though I think I was initally critical ... I think they eventually won over me! :P And the year before that ... wasn't there that song about school life? It was unorthodox, even in its visual presentation - but kind of catchy! Then I remember Jemini in 2003. If they hadn't screwed up their performance, their song would have rocked aswell. And let's not forget Katrina and the Waves, with Love Shine a Light in 1997! I guess I was 8 at the time. I remember loving the song and predicting it would win. I was right. :P
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Where are San Marino, Belgium and The Netherlands, Europe? Shame ... shame.

A very disappointing result, seeing as it contains rubbish like Secret Combination.
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I have to say, after watching the first semi final, we've already entered the territory of complete and utter B******s getting through. All the best songs never made it to the final.

Poor old Andorra, there's was the best by a mile.

I mean what idiot would have voted for those nutcases from Bosnia and Herzogovina?
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Hey, show some respect here :x

j/k

You weren't far off, Laka and Mirela are nutcases.

Though, when you consider other contestants, our song was pretty good. I mean, take a look at Finland, Russia (ugh!), Azerbaijan. I'm glad Norway made it, it was the best of the bunch.
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mooky_7_sa wrote:I'm glad Norway made it, it was the best of the bunch.
And would have been better if it was "Far Away". Yes, I'm still sulking.
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There's 2 or 3 from our UK Contenders this year I would have picked over the one we got. :x Still, JC likes it! :D
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Bod wrote:Poor old Andorra, there's was the best by a mile.
It was cute and listenable, but in the end inferior to what the other coutnries were offering. Oh well ... Casanova! By the way, the Maltese commentator said that Gisela had been chosen by Disney to record a song for their animated movie, Peter Pan. I'm assuming she meant Return to Neverland.
Bod wrote:I mean what idiot would have voted for those nutcases from Bosnia and Herzogovina?
You're making me feel ashamed of saying this but I actually liked the song. When I told my eldest brother (who's 38 years old) that I liked it he was going to die of shock. I think I scandalised him. :huh:
Mookster wrote:I mean, take a look at Finland, Russia (ugh!), Azerbaijan. I'm glad Norway made it, it was the best of the bunch.
Hey, Finland had a good song! And this is coming from someone who never really liked rock! I thought Russia's entry was good too, whilst my brother disliked it. I didn't really fall in love with Norway's song. It's good, but failed to resonate with my soul ... I guess that's just me. My brother loved it, though.

I was really sad San Marino didn't make it. They had a great song and to me they were like a substitute for Italy, which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I was also distraught at Belgium's failure. My brother hated the song, calling it a 'joke entry' whilst I fervently disagreed, calling it one of the most charming things I'd ever seen. What do you guys think of Belgium's O Julissi? Please tell me you don't think it's crap.
The Net wrote:And would have been better if it was "Far Away". Yes, I'm still sulking.
What do you find outstanding in the song, Netty? Don't get me wrong, I quite like it. Just not in love with it.
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I think the main problem with the Bosnia Herzogivina entry was that the performance didn't match the song. The song itself was quite a nice ballad. Close your eyes and it's alright to listen to, but open your eyes and it's like someone's slipped prosac into the water cooler at a clown college.

Also was it just me or could nobody else understand a word that Irish turkey said?
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ichabod wrote:Also was it just me or could nobody else understand a word that Irish turkey said?
It wasn't just you. His voice was drowned by the loud music.
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I think the main problem with the Bosnia Herzogivina entry was that the performance didn't match the song. The song itself was quite a nice ballad. Close your eyes and it's alright to listen to, but open your eyes and it's like someone's slipped prosac into the water cooler at a clown college.
All his videos are like that: trippy, confusing, slightly bizarre. Here are some:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SqsGycw2Ams

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r0MLzupR-co&feature=related

And here are the songs that - IMHO - were our best ESC entries:

2007:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JNWIRX7jvt0&feature=related

2006:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hhsaFhNThN4

1999:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G_lT0f32YG4
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The Net (Starring Sandra Bullock. Sandra freakin' Bullock! She is da bomb!) wrote:And would have been better if it was "Far Away". Yes, I'm still sulking.
What do you find outstanding in the song, Netty? Don't get me wrong, I quite like it. Just not in love with it.
Well, if you want me to explain it, I can't really. It all comes down to I know what I like and what I don't like.

But I think I have a different take on what a Eurovision entry should be compared to most people. I strongly believe an entry should be instantly accessible, fun or upbeat or positive in one way or another and also visually interesting. For this reason I personally don't like a lot of the "ballard" type entries because, generally, to appreciate such a song you need to hear it a few times.

You may appreciate the skillful vocals, but you don't necessarily appreciate the whole song on first hearing. They're typically what I would call "growers". I'm not saying that they're "worse" then my preference, but above all I think a Eurovision entry should have an instant catch.

I like Far Away for this reason, especially the repeating anchor (a rift?) which runs throughout the song. It's for all the reasons I listed above I thought Scootch was a shoe-in for a high placement last year. How wrong I was. :D

(It's also why I like most of the most recent winners - My Number One, Wild Dancers and Hard Rock Hallelujah - like them or not, you can't deny that they have an instant "catch" about them, making you notice them almost immediately.
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Grrrr... Hollland's out in the semi-finals for the fourth time in a row! I guess The Netherlands will never reach the finals ever again. :x

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Poo Poo Poo to Eurovision!

How can Switzerland, Bulgaria and even my own friggin' country be snubbed of the final when we had rocking songs?

So that the utter tripe (which is a bloody understatement) that is Iceland's This Is My Life and Latvia's Wolves of the Sea (*puke*) can qualify!?

I'm seething!

Seriously, a lot of people must be downright ignorant, stupid and with absolutely no musical taste to vote for those two songs.

Ugh...

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Well this probably ain't going to do much for Anglo-Matlese relations, but I have to say I preferred Latvia and Iceland to Malta's entry and I didn't think much of Switzerland or Bulgaria either.

To be honest I don't know why, but for some reason my general tastes of music go out of the window when it comes to Eurovision and I always support the songs that I generally wouldn't be seen dead listening to. I think that's probably because I feel Eurovision should just be a bit of silly fun.

After hearing all the songs, I still think Andorra was best although since thery're out I think I'll root for Sweden in the final.

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Bod wrote:... but I have to say I preferred Latvia and Iceland to ...
You've got to be kidding me!
Bod wrote:... but I have to say I preferred Latvia and Iceland to Malta's entry ...
Oh you sooo have got to be FREAKING kidding me!!
Bod wrote:... and I didn't think much of Switzerland or Bulgaria either.
*faints under the effect of a nervous breakdown*
Bod wrote:*Prepares for Julian to rally the people of Malta against me*
Don't worry. Seeing as you're one of my favourite posters I'll spare your being slaughtered. I must admit your ideas have left me feeling weak though!
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Well, to get into the mood for Eurovision tonight, I've done the following:

Watched the episode of Father Ted, where Ted and Dougal enter the contest and hilariously score a comical "nul points".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8linZiGYSeE Loose the Sax Solo!

Then I watched the episode of The High Life were Sebastian and Steve et al enter the contest and hilariously score a comical "nul points". "Oh dearie me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhrX7aYeNk Pif Paf Pof!

while you're at it, you may as watch the opening credits, which would also be an excellent Eurovision entry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4c9xpEVRsA
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No reactions to Thursday night, Netty? tsk tsk :headshake:
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My reactions to both semi-finals was: Me no watchy!
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Like every year some very bad songs, some bad songs and only a handful of decent ones and then the fun songs of course.
I liked the fun songs best such as Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia (that one was my favorite), the Pirates and France.
I didn't like either of the top 3 and I was sad to see GB (which had a nice song) with the least points together with Poland and us.
A really nice song, I think, was Denmark's "All night long".
The new voting presentation kinda sucks, since it takes most of the fun away, but well...
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Firstly I'd like to commend Serbia on the presentation of the contest. It appears the large curved screen is now a staple of the Eurovision stage design, but Serbia still managed to innovate with the two "rivers", one of either side, running down and off the stage.

I'd also like to say how much I enjoyed the opening number. I was somewhat annoyed (to say the least) when they won last year. I really didn't think much to their song or performance at all, but I would have had no complaints had they entered the performance they used to open the event this year.

As for this year's contest, I saw it as being better than last years, but still far behind 2006's. I made a few notes as I was watching and here are my quick thoughts on some of the entries.

Overall, I think I would have preferred Sweden to have won. I was actually expecting the Ukraine to win with "Shady Lady". I'd say something for the Ukrainians, the know how to put on a show.

I too liked Bosnia and Herzegovina's entry. Ignoring the wackiness of the presentation (which I really liked!) the music was excellent. Really, if instrumentals could be entered, everyone would have loved it. It was the singing is what really let it down; rather a large minus point when you're entering a song contest. But overall, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as people were making out – especially Wogan who seemed to really hate it. Spain's wasn't bad, but wasn't half as clever or radical as it thought it was.

Of course, Wogan (our commentator) was delusional throughout the competition, saying at least twice that our entry was the best we'd had for years [?] and that Andy Abrahams had given an excellent performance. I know Wogan "saved" Andy in our UK vote-offs, but I think the power of doing so had gone to poor old Wogan's head. This year, the UK entered a bland song – it really is a song that is just "there". Hear it once (which most of the voters will do) and you'll be lucky to remember anything about it. Blandness does not gather votes! (Of course, the voting patterns showed once again that we would be unlikely to gain any votes no matter what we entered, but that's another issue to be address later).

Okay, others I have marked as being notable are Armenia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Greece.

Greece's was a little disappointing though as I thought the singers voice wasn't strong enough to carry the song. I'm sure a singer with a stronger voice would have done the song more justice.

I think the worst was actually Denmark's – sorry, but that just a style of music I don't like at all (sort of smug and jazzy). Also, France's entry was spectacularly ill-advised and I'm astonished anyone voted for it at all to be honest. Finland tried to do another Hard Rock Hallelujah, but the band was no Lordi, and Croatia's started off interestingly, but had too much of the "old man".

As for the contest, I really don't know what can be done. I can't rant and rave to much about the UK's placement this year, as I wouldn't have voted for it. But then again, I thought Russia's song was just as bland as ours. And its clear neighbours are primarily voting for their neighbours. Even the UK benefited from this with the votes from the Republic of Ireland. It's clear you can't have a contest supposedly about "music" continue like this, it really is a farce when you can predict the top 3 countries – if not their exact order – 90% of the times the votes come in.

Wogan seemed particularly put out this year, and on air said that he would have to think very hard about coming back to commentate next year, then more shockingly, he said next year all of the Western countries would have to think long and hard about if it was worth entering.

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