Plus-Sized Disney Princess?

[kurtadisneyite]

All the Disney Princesses celebrate Xmas in the DVD, A CHRISTMAS ENCHANTMENT. ( And note that here, and in a few other Princess DVD's, the old rule that Princesses lived in separate worlds is slowly breaking down. ).

But Keep in mind the Princesses are ANIMATED CHARACTERS, and subject to stylizations that enhance their personalities and mirror the style the film is drawn in. Every Princess has unique design features that a __good__ Disney artist can quickly recognize. In some cases the producer's personal preferences may be mirrored in the design.

Also (technically), when a character is painted with flat colors, some dimensions, such as the waist, can look radically different than they would appear on a naturally lit real person.

Example: When the animators tested Princess Aurora, they found her black bodice coloring made her waist appear thicker than expected, so the animators deliberately drew her waist thin. Also, per trends of the '50's and her background styling, Aorora had an angular, almost "pointy" apperance (including the "torpedo bra" chest). Finally wrt Aurora, those who have original model sheets can see she is very heavy in legs and hips (a preference of Walt's).
((by comparison, take a look at Auroras Mom in the same movie - her proportions are more naturalistic (as a result, she looks very "solid").

Example 2: Eric Larson and Marc Davis had different approaches to Cinderella. Eric's Cindy usually had big eyes and slender waist, while Mark Davis's had more natural proportions. You can see this in first part of movie when Eric animates Cindy sitting in front of her table in her room ...vs... Mark animating Cindy reacting to the in-bed Stepmother.

Wrt Frog Princess, Princess and the Frog, or whatever the heck that movie ends up being called, I suspect the story and the character's personality will be the most important things making the movie a success or not.

[roswellian]

Kurt, you put it perfectly. Sometimes things need to be drawn a certain way to make it film ready.

[sapphireprima]

I'm new here, but I'm gonna say it's a good idea. It'd be a good thing to do. It'd show little girls that you don't have to be thin to be a princess. Just like all the other minority princess don't have to be "white" and thing to be princess you can be yourself.

If they ever did consider doing this I'd be right on the train supporting them.

[UncleEd]

I don't consider Snow White, Belle, or Cinderella to be all that average. They all have similar proportions. Ariel and Jasmine should be tiny but when they are in the group they are the same too. If you started with Belle and made her a little thicker that would be an attractive plus sized Princess. Maybe I'll do a mock up. But her attire and European features are what would work best out of all we have. Maybe they could find another fairy tale to do one with. (Snow Queen?)

Frog Princess is all about PC. When you hear about the changes we have been hearing about and why they are made it is pure PC.


I'm a Christian too and although I dislike how Christmas has changed too I still get into all the Christmas secular stuff too. I believe the two can co-exist for those who want to do both.


Pocahontas has celebrated Christmas twice. There was a Christmas serial comic in 1995 and a read along book that same year. I've also seen Christmas ornaments with her as well. Never seen Mulan outside of an ornament but she wasn't doing anything Christmassy anyway.

Where's this Pocahontas can't be a Christian because she's an American Indian stem from? The real Pocahontas became a Christian and celebrated Christmas so why couldn't the animated one?

For those of you who are offended about princesses celebrating Christmas then how about this senerio. Perhaps the European Christian Princesses shared their faith with the non-believing Princeses and they converted to Christianity? That's how Mulan and Jasmine could be celebrating Christmas. Or in Jasmine's case, maybe the all-powerful Genie exposed his buddies to Christianity? Just an idea for those who overthink things.

[blackcauldron85]

Where's this Pocahontas can't be a Christian because she's an American Indian stem from? The real Pocahontas became a Christian and celebrated Christmas so why couldn't the animated one?

That's along the lines of what I was going to write. Pocahontas was baptized and renamed with the Christian name Rebecca around the time she married John Rolfe.

[Ariel'sprince]

Where's this Pocahontas can't be a Christian because she's an American Indian stem from? The real Pocahontas became a Christian and celebrated Christmas so why couldn't the animated one?

That's along the lines of what I was going to write. Pocahontas was baptized and renamed with the Christian name Rebecca around the time she married John Rolfe.

Yeah but that what what happen to the real Pocahontas,not Disney's Pocahontas,and i don't think they'll make her Christen just becouse she appeard in the Princes Album (with Mulan,and something strange about that Album-Ariel,Pocahontas and Mulan are in the Album buy Jasmine isn't).

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Didn't most if not all the princesses appear in Snowed In At The House of Mouse? So wouldn't that count towards celebrating Christmas in a way I've always assumed almost everyone celebrates Christmas in one form or another.....of course I could just be totally clueless about the whole thing

I think everyone should worry less about the appearance of the princess and worry more about whether or not the story is any good. What good is a princess if her story sucks or doesn't make sense? Wasn't one of Ariel's sisters a bit more full figured? If so she would count as a princess technically. Of course to me Princess Kida is the skinniest her staff/big stick thingy was almost bigger than her

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

There is something else; it's nobody's fault but the creators of the "Disney Princess" line that there are complaints about racism and everything. I mean the creators of each film had no idea that their heroine would be involved in the future in a "Barbie" line. They just did what they had to do according to the story they had in their hands. Now he face the phenomenon of a whole movie being created just to add a new princess to the line. Things came upside down, that is. In a little while we'll hear more complaints about Disney not involving Egyptian, Spanish, Japanese, Indian, Roman or Aztec princesses as well. Which is fine with me of course, cause I love the priness films. But is that a motive to create a film? It's a princess line after all, it's not the "It's a Small World" line!

[Ariel'sprince]

It's a princess line after all, it's not the "It's a Small World" line!

What a wonderfull idea for a franchise! coming soon-Disney It's a Small World,get ready to see them everywhere .

[Jack Skellington]

As if "It's a Small World" wasn't an annoying ride already, don't blame me for saying this coz when I was on holiday at Disneyland Paris, i had to babysit my cousin for a while when my Aunt was in the hotel, so I had to go on that ride about a dozen times so my cousin wouldn't cry !

[Ariel'sprince]

As if "It's a Small World" wasn't an annoying ride already, don't blame me for saying this coz when I was on holiday at Disneyland Paris, i had to babysit my cousin for a while when my Aunt was in the hotel, so I had to go on that ride about a dozen times so my cousin wouldn't cry !

LOL,if you say so.
i have ideas for Disney Franchise:
Disney Jimminy Cricket (like Marie).
Disney Fishes (Nemo (althought he's from Pixar and not Disney),Cleo,Fish Out Of Water,Flounder and Padge).
Disney Princes (The Prince,Prince Charming,Philip,Eric,Beast,Aladdin,Jhon Smith and Shang).
Disney Sebastian.
Disney Chashire Cat.
and Disney Monkeys (Terk,Kida,Abu).

[Ariel'sprince]

Oh wait,there is a plused size Disney Princess-Adella,Ariel's sister.

[SpringHeelJack]

Yeah, but she's not a featured princess like the others, nor (to my recollection) is she plus sized in the movie, just the TV show.

[UncleEd]

For some reason Pocahontas' baptism was considered so important that it's one of the featured paintings of the greatest moments in American History in the Captol rotunda. I know Disney chose not to recognize any of this but this reflects the media culture of today. Today we are to feel ashamed that Pocahontas and Squanto abandoned their native religions and adopted that of the white man. (In the same manner the media culture tries to shame all whites about slavery) Had they not though they probably would have never helped the English get a foothold here. Contrast that to the Spanish in SA who got their a**es kicked by the naitives there after they wore out their welcome. Since this explaination is rejected I stand firm with the one that the other princesses converted the rest to Christianity so they now all celebrate Christmas.


We almost got an Incan Princess had Kingdom of the Sun remained unchanged.


I don't think Ariel's sisters have that much of a size difference. They would have been more visually interesting if their proportions had been mixed and matched too.

[Prudence]

Yeah, but she's not a featured princess like the others, nor (to my recollection) is she plus sized in the movie, just the TV show.

Which is- kind of a shame, I'll admit.

While I'm not one to jump on the "let's be politically correct" bandwagon full-force, I am one to like children's entertainment to show examples of all types of personalities and all types of physical... uniqueness in positive ways. I'll use Adella and Prudence as examples for my $0.02, for some rather obvious reasons. Both are supporting characters to a featured Disney princess, and both have- how am I going to word this without it sounding wrong? Both have fully developed bodies <cough>, but said bodies are not the norm. Adella is a plump princess of the sea, content with her life and enjoying the luxuries she was born with. Prudence is a gaunt castle supervisor, somewhat ahead of her time as the highest ranking female in the palace (before Cinderella) who most likely started out as a poor yet disciplined girl who worked her way to the top.

Gah. I just realized that I might have accidentally implied that most overweight people are lazy while most underweight people are ambitious. There are going to be stereotypes everywhere, no matter what. From my experience in the wide realm of life, there are real Adellas and real Prudences. (Again, <cough>. ^.~ By this I mean there are people who truly look and/or behave like these minor characters.)

Anyway, that aside, their personalities are also surprisingly similar. Both want to live life according to traditions. Both take all roles of palace life seriously. Both can come across as ruder, more boastful, or more heartless than they intend. Both have an amusing sense of sarcasm. Both play "older sister that thinks she knows best" roles to the heroine, and Adella is indeed Ariel's true older sister.

In short, they're very realistic characters. No, I don't know anyone with a fishtail. If that's what you're thinking, you're missing the point. They are realistic and complex characters, despite the fact that they have very little screentime. (Adella does have screentime in the series.) They are also both women with real bodies, at least in comparison to the rest of those in their animated worlds. Size 14s and Size 0s are generally not brought forth as role models, nor should they be simply for the sake of political correctness. Regardless, they are - and very well should be - acknowledged.

This is rather off the subject, I'll admit. I'm just standing here with a sign that says both plus girls and petite girls are at least included, to a degree. I say this in a large part due to my own experiences with "princessy matters" as a little girl. The princess stereotype I knew of was thin, but not gaunt- and princesses certainly didn't have the narrowest of narrow faces complete with exaggerated features. In fact, let me rephrase that. Not just princesses. NO beautiful girl, and for that matter, no acknowledged girl besides the abused and forgotten of third world counties. Even today, there truly is a stereotype against thin women in a rather ironic attempt to tell the world that all bodies are beautiful. It is next to impossible to find any outfits in my size. In late March of this year, I was looking for one pastel outfit suitable for a festival. I ended up searching almost every day for weeks. What bothered me the most was seeing so many posters and banners in stores, declaring every size to be beautiful. "Yes, every size except anything under a 2. They must have eating disorders, so we must not give them actual clothes to encourage them!"

[Ariel'sprince]

Good idea to franchise character like Prudance and Adella then most of the Princesses for little girls becouse then they'll like heronies with real body,altought that in personality is prefer the princesses.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

We almost got an Incan Princess had Kingdom of the Sun remained unchanged.

You can say that again. I mean for goodness sake, what were they thinking? True, The Emperor's New Groove was more than amusing and one of my favourite comedies ever BUT that should be a completely diferrent movie, they should have kept "The Kingdom of the Sun" unchanged, serious, an epic. With a real hero and not a caricature and with a princess in it. I mean, didn't they trust the man who created "The Lion King"?

[Ariel'sprince]

We almost got an Incan Princess had Kingdom of the Sun remained unchanged.

You can say that again. I mean for goodness sake, what were they thinking? True, The Emperor's New Groove was more than amusing and one of my favourite comedies ever BUT that should be a completely diferrent movie, they should have kept "The Kingdom of the Sun" unchanged, serious, an epic. With a real hero and not a caricature and with a princess in it. I mean, didn't they trust the man who created "The Lion King"?

Izma trying to steal to sun sounds great? well,becouse she and Kronk are the only thing that make the film good.
there's Malina.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

Izma trying to steal to sun sounds great? well,becouse she and Kronk are the only thing that make the film good.
there's Malina.

Well she was supposed to "snuff out the light" and cover the whole kingdom with darkness, not actually "steal" the sun. And yes that sounds GREAT to me!!
Err...who's Malina?

[Prudence]

Erm, I'm not quite sure what you said, Ariel'sprince. I'm assuming you agreed with me.

Err...who's Malina?

A very annoying character from The Emperor's New School television series.