Selective Service System. This applies to all US Males 18-25

[jeremy88]

Well I just registered online...hooray. The stupid thing said my social security was incorrect with my birth year or something...that makes loads of sense Im pretty sure I entered it right, it also said it might've not entered the data base yet....great now I have that to worry about.

Anyways thanks you guys for telling me more info about that....cause I had no idea what the heck that was about lol.

[Lazario]

I was pissed off too when that happened to me, though I do believe I got mine after I turned 18, which is strange but nonetheless true. I guess it's a rite of passage in America - being pissed about being told you may be drafted one day... depending on how old you are when it happens. One day, I won't be 25, so it'll be all over with. And of course, there's the gay thing. Not that most people can tell with me- most people can't.

Anyway - I didn't do anything with mine. My father actually did whatever needed to be done with it. He said it should be signed or whatever, he did it for me, and sent it in. So, I didn't even have to see it. But - your anger is totally natural. And probably important. Now if only this country would fight an actually necessary war, so that all of this fuss can be over something worthwhile!

if you don't wanna go to jail, I suggest you do it.

You're a real rebel, Dave. But I guess you know that, don't you?

[dvdjunkie]

The Sequel of Disney wrote:

How in the world is this a "perk"? I'm only 15, and I don't want to do anything with this. You know, if Mr. Bush hadn't gotten the US in the war, they wouldn't need any men to serve the country! That goes for every single war. If everyone just sat down and talked to each other and sorted out the problems, the world would be a much more peaceful place. Well, the only ways that I know how to get out of being drafted are: 1) A college student. The government can't take you out if you are studying 2) Marry with children. The goverment can't take you away from your children. Seriously, I'm sure that there are pleanty of people, who, without having to sign up, would go for the military, or navy, or air force, or whatever. I say that the government should just leave everyone alone. If the government wants people to go and fight and kill themselves, why don't they go? They probably started the conflict!

This really got me upset until I realized it was naive rantings of a 15-year-old who doesn't know what the heck he is talking about. And the grammar and spelling in his post show that.

Mr. Bush didn't start the war, and you know as well as I do that talking has never gotten us anywhere. If these people want to kill us, they are going to kill us whether it is in their country or ours. That is why we have a military, and why we have a draft. If it is ever needed, we have the right to call up all those young men between the ages of 18-25 to serve a minimum of two years of active duty for their country in the US Army. This is the Army that keeps us strong, and keeps those who would do us harm at an arm's length. Those who say we should get out of Iraq now, are only asking for the war to move here, and when and if it happens, we will all be singing a different story.

SOD, you are only 15, and you have three more years to worry about this. Right now it is more important for you to learn to write and spell properly so you can graduate and go to college and do something with your life. Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard. Stay in school and do your best. I seriously doubt that we will have to worry about you getting drafted in three more years.

[xxhplinkxx]

Yep. One of the perks of being born with male genatalia in this country.

How in the world is this a "perk"?

I was being sarcastic.

Lo siento, no me gusta!!!!

No me gusta tampoco.

[DaveWadding]

if you don't wanna go to jail, I suggest you do it.

You're a real rebel, Dave. But I guess you know that, don't you?

Hey man, I'm as peaceful as the next guy, but I wouldnt wanna go to jail for not filling out some stupid little form, would you? (and the answer is clearly no since you filled it out...)

[Lazario]

Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard.

I think it's time for you to shut up now. If you don't, it's gonna be a not-so-nice day. And I don't think either one of us want that.

[blackcauldron85]

Females will be in the selective service too because my sister got her card.

I turned 18 over 4 years ago, and I never got a card...so, unless this is a new thing, females aren't a part of the selective service. And, at the post office, the holder of these forms mentions males and not females. So, I'm not saying you're wrong, Zoltack, but I'm practically certain that females aren't a part of this.

[2099net]

Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard.

dvdjunkie, you know that that's wrong and against forum rules being a personal attack on a fellow member.

[TheSequelOfDisney]

This really got me upset until I realized it was naive rantings of a 15-year-old who doesn't know what the heck he is talking about. And the grammar and spelling in his post show that.

First of all, my keyboard is completely messed up, so it is kind of hard to type without any mistakes. Second of all, I only spot a few (2-3) spelling errors, so shove off.

Mr. Bush didn't start the war, and you know as well as I do that talking has never gotten us anywhere. If these people want to kill us, they are going to kill us whether it is in their country or ours. That is why we have a military, and why we have a draft.

We have a draft because of the terrible way that the world is run. That is why we have a military, to go and make everything worse for everyone living. There are thousands of homeless people in the United States today, and what is the government doing to help them? Take away more money from them. Seriously, it is Mr. Bush's fault because he isn't doing anything to help anyone except himself. He just wants to be in the light and make sure that he will be remembered until he is dead.

If it is ever needed, we have the right to call up all those young men between the ages of 18-25 to serve a minimum of two years of active duty for their country in the US Army.

No one has the right to pick us up from our homes and put us in danger.

This is the Army that keeps us strong, and keeps those who would do us harm at an arm's length. Those who say we should get out of Iraq now, are only asking for the war to move here, and when and if it happens, we will all be signing a different story.

The army doesn't keep anyone strong, notice that army isn't capitalized. They aren't doing anything to keep us from harm. There is still a risk of another 9/11, the "army" can't do anything about it. They are over there murdering people because they think the Iraqs are dangerous. We should get out of Iraq, it's a pointless conflict. The soldiers are over there just so that Mr. Bush can say that we are helping, where in reality, we are not, we are making it worse.

SOD, you are only 15, and you have three more years to worry about this. Right now it is more important for you to learn to write and spell properly so you can graduate and go to college and do something with your life. Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard. Stay in school and do your best. I seriously doubt that we will have to worry about you getting drafted in three more years.

I know how to write and spell properly. I am going to graduate, and I am going to college. I do my best because I like to be the best that I can be, and I go above my best. You don't need to tell me what to do, I have my freedoms. Right now, this whole war thing, and if people are going to be drafted, let it be the politicians, it's not like they are doing anything to help the world. Geez, Oprah is doing more in Africa than Bush is. And who is this "we" in the last sentence. You and your "feet" problems?

[Lazario]

dvdjunkie, you know that that's wrong and against forum rules being a personal attack on a fellow member.

Thanks 20, but I think I've got this one under control.

[2099net]

I think that if there if a draft, or isn't a draft or there is or isn't a possibility of a draft in the future, it's at least "nice" to have some formal message - even if nobody expects it to become true.

Nobody can predict the future. After World War I, nobody expected another war as big and destructive. But we got one... so soon after the 1st too, when the events of WWI were still in everybody's living memories. So go figure. At least US citizens have some prior and legal notice... If the UK suddenly had to draft people into our army, it would come as a bigger shock to the system.

Arguing over Iraq isn't going to make a draft more or less likely. Although I did and still do oppose the invasion of Iraq, I supported (and still do support) similar actions in Afghanistan.

Yet a larger scale campaign in Afgahanistan would just as likely have turned out similar to what's happening in Iraq and ultimately used as many troops and dollars - we all know Russia was basically outmatched and constantly under attack during their occupation of the country. But I consider the toppling of the Taliban a just and valid reason for going to war, just as I considered the Taliban an immediate threat to the West.

I consider it a great shame more isn't being done in Afganistan, but that's another argument which isn't worth going into here, as it will just end up dragging up the same arguments for and against.

What I'm saying is, Iraq or no Iraq, circumstances would have led "us" into war, and most likely into people mentioning the distant possibility of a draft too.

[TM2-Megatron]

Just another reason I'm glad to be living in Canada, where the Government has so little backbone that they can't make anyone do anything.

More seriously, though, I'm quite against any policy like this. Not everyone is well suited to military service just becuase they're male and between 18-25. I'd never be able to serve in the military, as it's pretty much impossible for me to take orders. God (assuming I believed in it, which I don't) could descend to Earth, and I wouldn't take any orders from him, either. Also, I don't have a particularly violent nature... my thoughts on hunting are in "The Hunter" thread; and if I don't want to kill animals, why would I want to kill people?

This really got me upset until I realized it was naive rantings of a 15-year-old who doesn't know what the heck he is talking about. And the grammar and spelling in his post show that.

The wording might not have been perfect English, but that kind of Ageism indicates more about character than bad grammar.

Mr. Bush didn't start the war, and you know as well as I do that talking has never gotten us anywhere.

I'm not going to get into whether the war is "right" or not (though I'm left-wing as far as Canada goes; which might be considered very left in the US; so take a guess), however he did kinda did start it.

As for talking never getting us anywhere... with that kind of attitude, there'll be a new war starting up every second week. Talking can help lots, assuming one has a reasonable mind (which, in this case, neither party appears to be graced with), and is a much better alternative than sending countless people off to die in a pointless and petty conflict.

That is why we have a military, and why we have a draft. If it is ever needed, we have the right to call up all those young men between the ages of 18-25 to serve a minimum of two years of active duty for their country in the US Army.

Sure, they have the "right"... maybe for now. People won't tolerate that forever, though... and it's been quite a while since the last draft. The next time around, the odds are it'll be challenged quite a bit and eventually struck down.

[Disney Guru]

Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard.

dvdjunkie, that was just rude and insolent.

I do not want this to end up in a fight or whatever. But when I saw that post it just really made me upset. And also bashing that 15 year old, at least he has his own opinion. Which he obviously feels very strongly about. And since when did the US turn into a communistic country ? It didn't. You are not the king of the world, nor the king of this forum. There is a rule that I was taught as a child at least titled the "thumper rule" which is "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Might be wise for you to consider that. We all get irritated sometimes, but the majority of us have the self control and common courtesy not to bash others about it. And also some people DO NOT go to college, and do quite well for themselves. Granted it is a good thing to do, but in some situations not propable and i know a few people who did not go to college and did extremely well for themselves financially. I could pick at you too if i wanted to dvdjunkie, but i will not because I have no desire to lower myself to your level. Granted you might have your probs too, but you have no right to take your problems out on everybody else by making a nuisance out of yourself. So please, why don't you act like an "adult" once in a while and actually be nice.

I think I have said enough to get my point across.

[Escapay]

Don't be like Lazario and drop out of high school and end up working as a clerk in a video store all your life and whining about how life is so hard.

dvdjunkie, that was just rude and insolent.

I do not want this to end up in a fight or whatever. But when I saw that post it just really made me upset. And also bashing that 15 year old, at least he has his own opinion. Which he obviously feels very strongly about. And since when did the US turn into a communistic country ? It didn't. You are not the king of the world, nor the king of this forum. There is a rule that I was taught as a child at least titled the "thumper rule" which is "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Might be wise for you to consider that. We all get irritated sometimes, but the majority of us have the self control and common courtesy not to bash others about it. And also some people DO NOT go to college, and do quite well for themselves. Granted it is a good thing to do, but in some situations not propable and i know a few people who did not go to college and did extremely well for themselves financially. I could pick at you too if i wanted to dvdjunkie, but i will not because I have no desire to lower myself to your level. Granted you might have your probs too, but you have no right to take your problems out on everybody else by making a nuisance out of yourself. So please, why don't you act like an "adult" once in a while and actually be nice.

I think I have said enough to get my point across.

When Chris Johnson steps in, everybody listens.



(and I'll keep my mouth shut though I'm quite giddy at reading all this forum drama. Nothing like a little controversy in the afternoon!)

Escapay

[dvdjunkie]

My reference to Lazario was in no way intended to be rude, just a statement of fact, because he is the only person we know of here that has dropped out of high school. If it was taken wrong, then I do apologize, but I was just using it as a reference to encourage all of the younger people here to stay in school and do their best to get the most out of life.

[carter1971]

That is why we have a military, to go and make everything worse for everyone living.

That's a slap in the face to every man and woman who has served in the military. I don't care if you disagree with the war in Iraq, and FYI - I opposed it from the beginning, our troops deserve respect from everyone. If it weren't for our military, the freedoms that you and so many others take for granted wouldn't exist. Crack open a history book and you'll see that it was the military that won our independence from Britain and our military that helped stop Hitler and Miyamoto from taking the entire world for themselves. Do you even appreciate the fact that in this country you can make a post like that without fear of being dragged to jail for it, or worse? You can thank the military for that privilege.

I don't normally like to share my views in threads like this because I come here to read about and discuss Disney topics, but I couldn't let that comment go.

[TheSequelOfDisney]

That is why we have a military, to go and make everything worse for everyone living.

That's a slap in the face to every man and woman who has served in the military. I don't care if you disagree with the war in Iraq, and FYI - I opposed it from the beginning, our troops deserve respect from everyone. If it weren't for our military, the freedoms that you and so many others take for granted wouldn't exist. Crack open a history book and you'll see that it was the military that won our independence from Britain and our military that helped stop Hitler and Miyamoto from taking the entire world for themselves. Do you even appreciate the fact that in this country you can make a post like that without fear of being dragged to jail for it, or worse? You can thank the military for that privilege.

I don't care if it's a slap in the face. We shouldn't even have a military to begin with. I, personally, instead of being an American, would have like to stay British, it comes with a sweet accent that I can only think about in my dizziest daydreams. And I would not ever go to jail for a post that I just made expressing my opinion. So, yeah, I could care less for the mess that Bush got us in. And I don't want to thank the military for any privilege, because what have they done for me? Personally me? Have they given anything to me? No, so why bother. I would love to be across the Atlantic, having a sweet accent, instead of living in this present status of America where everything is out of control.

[blackcauldron85]

To make a positive note on this thread, chances are that the draft won't come into play any time soon- there are so many people in the military, and new people are signing up every day. Those who don't want to join the military (I wouldn't want to, since I would be afraid of physical pain, or even basic training) shouldn't have to worry about being recruited anytime soon.

[goofystitch]

As has been said, every guy gets the card when he turns 18. From what I understand, this was going on before the Bush administration, so it's not his fault. It's just something the government does in case there is an emergency and they need to reinstate the draft. Even though I wouldn't have to go to war if they drafted, I still had to sign up. That's the one perk of having asthma.

[PapiBear]

Mr. Bush didn't start the war,

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

If these people want to kill us, they are going to kill us whether it is in their country or ours. That is why we have a military, and why we have a draft. If it is ever needed, we have the right to call up all those young men between the ages of 18-25 to serve a minimum of two years of active duty for their country in the US Army. This is the Army that keeps us strong, and keeps those who would do us harm at an arm's length.

You never did stop to ask why "these people" would want to kill "us," did you?

Oh, wait, wait, I know, I know - "they hate our freedom," right?

Those who say we should get out of Iraq now, are only asking for the war to move here, and when and if it happens, we will all be singing a different story.

If the war moves here, it at least would give us the right to say that we're defending ourselves and our loved ones. The war in Iraq as it is right now doesn't allow us to do that.

As for Selective Service, just register and ride it out until you're past the age for drafting.

Make sure you NEVER sign up voluntarily for the military. Ask anyone who's in the service now who's being kept there thanks to the Stop/Loss Program. Also ask any of the families of National Guardsmen who signed up for the college benefits and are now dead.

If there's a draft, make sure the war's legitimate and that you're actually defending this nation from harm before you go along with it. If not, make sure you have a plan to get out of the country.