Animated Classics ?

[ichabod]

And I really disagree about Chicken Little being a disney classic. Why didn't they also name Dinosaur a classic? It was made completely by computers, but it was made by Disney alone, wasn't it? And Goofy Movie has great animation and cannot be considered as DTV movie-it's quality is very high, and it's also not a sequel.Now that Disney bought Pixar, will Nemo be considered as a Disney classic?
Except what Disney calls a classic, I think we all know which movies are classic and which are not.

To clarify a Disney classic is a movie that is made by the Walt Disney Feature animation studio. So that includes all 44 traditionally animated films from Snow White to Home on the Range AND Chicken Little and will also include the upcoming films "A Day With Wilbur Robinson", "American Dog" and "Rapunzel".

A Goofy Movie and Dinosaur were made by Disney, but not by the WDFA arm of the company.

None of the Pixar movies will become classics because even though they have Disney's name on them, they were not made by Walt Disney Feature Animation.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

...AND Chicken Little and will also include the upcoming films "A Day With Wilbur Robinson", "American Dog" and "Rapunzel".

You can have them. I'll consider as the 45th classic the movie that'll bring back the traditional animation. If it never comes, for me, the Disney Classics ended with Home on the Range.

I don't wanna see Disney become "Shreked".

[Lars Vermundsberget]

I found a web page at http://psc.disney.go.com/guestservices/8695.html which states:

"We are no longer numbering our animated features due to the changing face of animation. With live-action/computer generated hybrid films like "Dinosaur" and theatrical releases produced by our TV Animation division like "The Tigger Movie," determining what "counts" in our legacy of full-length animated features has become a challenge. Therefore, we have decided to stop numbering each feature and let the films stand on their own."

If so, it'd make very much sense, in my opinion.

We've still got the list of the "traditional" animated classics, though. But discussing which ones are deserving or not of being named a "classic", is pretty much beside the point, I'd say, since the inclusions on that list are based purely on what I'd consider "formal criteria" - popularity or our opinion of quality wouldn't have a lot to do with it.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

To clarify a Disney classic is a movie that is made by the Walt Disney Feature animation studio. So that includes all 44 traditionally animated films from Snow White to Home on the Range AND Chicken Little and will also include the upcoming films "A Day With Wilbur Robinson", "American Dog" and "Rapunzel".

They could all be "classics", but at the same time possibly not quite the same "sort of classics" - and the post-'Range features, although "classics", may still not be officially numbered. This could be possible.

Either way, though, it could be fair to question Disney's use of the designation "classic" on any current product...

[I Am Clark Kent]

You should all realize that the term "classic" is just another way of promoting a film, animated or otherwise.

Most movies don't leave much of an impression, or are long remembered by the public.

Ever since the advent of the VCR, Disney has used the term "classic" with virtualy every animated film they've prodcued. I should also point out that they didn't even start "numbering" the films until the 1980s.

That tells us something.

It's all designed to get you the viewer to spend your money on them.

That's all they're interested in.

In my mind, the disney establishment has just played up the mythology of the company throughout the last 20 years.

They know the brand has and never be taken seriously by the public.

No matter how successful it is.

Walt Disney himself even realized this very late in his life. If you actually read into his story by the time the Parent Trap had been released in theaters in 1962, they got several sacks of mail, complaining about the use of alchohol (as in the parents sipping martinis) in the film.

After he died, things changed, and the company "$old out"

[Spottedfeather]

I went through the list of animated classics and got to thinking....what are Disney/people who say what film goes on the classics list thinking ?

you have a rather odd way of identifying what is and is not a "classic"

if going by memorability and popularity not to mention technical achievement this is what SHOULD be on the "classics" list:

Snow White

Pinocchio

Fantasia

Dumbo

Bambi

Cinderella

Alice In Wonderland

Peter Pan

Lady And The Tramp

Sleeping Beauty

101 Dalmatians

The Jungle Book

The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh - classic by default due to popularity of the characters

The Rescuers

The Little Mermaid

Beauty And The Beast

Aladdin

The Lion King

Pocahontas - technically one disney's best and while overshadowed by the renaissance's big 4, it is still without a doubt quite a memorable disney film.

Mulan

Tarzan - another Disney film that is a "classic" simply because it was a beautifully animated critically acclaimed and financially successful flim.

Lilo & Stitch - Disney's last great hit, there's a reason why there are so many Stitch fans everywhere.


now these are what I highly disagree with that's on your "classics" list

The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad - ask any normal person and chances are they won't remember this or even know that it exists.

The Sword In The Stone - enjoyable but nowhere near the caliber of the more memorable films, ask any ordinary person, they won't even know what it's about.

The Black Cauldron - One of the biggest disney flops in disney history, so big that Disney tries as much as they can to bury the memory of this film.

Oliver and Company - In no way is this up to par with the true classics. it was simply forgettable.

(in defense) Fantasia 2000 - Disney did not in any way tamper with athe original film, this is a production of its own, try being fair sometime.

(in defense) The Emperor's New Groove - They may have been smoking stuff but not even you can deny how enjoyable this movie was, you just stereotype the disney brand too much to appreciate this film.

Atlantis - A deeply flawed film that feels "incomplete" in so many ways, there's a reason why this was a flop. No chance in heck can this become a classic.

(in defense) Treasure Planet - Once again, judgement like yours is one of the reasons Disney animation died, too much stereotyping and no faith or respect in the story and stylistic treatment. You refuse to let the art grow.

Brother Bear - mirrors The Lion King and Bambi a little too much and is certainly not memorable in enough to reach classic status.

(In Defense) Home On The Range - see all my other "in defense" arguments, you have to accept that not all Disney films should be alike.

(In Defense) Chicken Little (and all other Computer Animated Filmns) - Just what is your definition of a 'classic'? The dictionary claims that classic is defined as a 'creation of the highest excellence'. If a CGI film is of that very definition then why should it be considered of a lesser standard than traditionally animated features?

and mind you, "Cartoons" is a very unjust term to use for the Disney "Classics"

I agree with most of what you said. Except this....Disney Animated Classics mean "cartoon" animated films, not CGI. While CGI movie can be really great, they don't go in the catergory of animated classics. Home On The Range was horrible. As was Treasure Planet. Neither of them belong with the real classics such as Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Beauty And The Beast, Peter Pan, and Dumbo. Neither do Tarzan (great song, horrible animation) or Emperor's New Groove (dumb idea), though I do like John Goodman. How is cartoon an unjust term to use for Disney Animated Classics ? Aren't they, in fact, cartoons ? They're drawn and animated. Therefore....cartoons. What's wrong with calling them that ? Nothing.

[Pasta67]

Disney Animated Classics mean "cartoon" animated films, not CGI. While CGI movie can be really great, they don't go in the catergory of animated classics.

Why not? Last time I checked, CGI films were animated films, just like hand-drawn movies are. Also, some of you are taking the usage of the word "classic" too seriously. "Classic" is just a term Disney uses for films made by Walt Disney Feature Animation, regardless of whether the movie is good or not.

"Animated Classic"

"Animated" means that it's animated, whether it's by CGI, traditional fashion, or stop-motion.

"Classic" means that it's made by WDFA.

That's it.

[Bebopgroove]

According to Dictionary.com:

clas·sic
adj.

1.
a. Belonging to the highest rank or class.
b. Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture.
c. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring.

2.
a. Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake.

n.

1. An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
2. A work recognized as definitive in its field.
3. A typical or traditional example

So there you go.
Personally, I think Lilo & Stitch and Tarzan go into the classics list, simply because you hear about those two titles alot. Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Emperor's New Groove, Brother Bear, and Home on the Range shouldn't be considered "classic", IMHO. Even though Treasure Planet is one my very favorites.
That is all

[Escapay]

But the term "Disney Animated Classic" isn't going by the textbook definition of Classic. It simply is a name, a brand.

Escapay