I Would Like to Know... (Who Here is Gay?)

[Princess Jasmine]

Oh dear god.

[Zoltack]

Oh I say let it turn into another Rosie thread, we all need controversy. Am I right??? But I'm not gonna start it because I could care less about someone's sexual preference. If you're a man/woman and you want to marry another man/woman, then do it. Thousands of people get married a day and I don't give a rat's behind about them.

[Escapay]

lets talk about Rosie

Oh dear god.

Oh I say let it turn into another Rosie thread, we all need controversy. Am I right??? But I'm not gonna start it because I could care less about someone's sexual preference. If you're a man/woman and you want to marry another man/woman, then do it. Thousands of people get married a day and I don't give a rat's behind about them.

These three have nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor do they bring anything to the conversation. If anything, it's encouraging a "bastardization" (As Alice used the term in his other thread) of this thread. Alice, perhaps if you asked, "Who is Gay and Who is Straight", it could be open to more people without turning into a Rosie thread, or a Jessica Simpson thread. Siren, I'm sure Alice is grateful that you're helping de-bastardize this thread from people coming in saying "Hey, another Rosie thread waiting to happen!"

As for me, I am not gay. It's funny though, because most of my interests are what ignorant people equate with gay people (soap operas, chick flicks, and musicals for example).

Escapay

[Lazario]

And what's controversy without me? Haha. Seriously though, I think the minute another thread opens with a gay theme, it will be closed and we will be instructed to discuss the topic here. So it appears people here still have something to say about homosexuality, why not let this topic go off a little?

As a gay man, I don't have immunity from hearing what I don't want to hear. Should straight people? I know our feelings can be discussed calmly and in a dignified manner. You all have my word from here on, this topic will not get out of control because of me.

[Escapay]

As a gay man, I don't have immunity from hearing what I don't want to hear. Should straight people? I know our feelings can be discussed calmly and in a dignified manner. You all have my word from here on, this topic will not get out of control because of me.

I believe you, Lazario. You definitely know what you're talking about when it comes to serious issues, something I should have realized early on (yes, this is an apology for the mess I made in the JS thread). But there are still people here who just want to stir up trouble, in the name of discussion. It's not gonna be me, as my post here is nothing but an agreement with you (rare, huh?).

But Alice also only was asking who is gay. Not who is and who isn't and what everyone's opinions are. So, I personally will try and stay out of this, as I am not gay, and as such, had no reason to post in the thread at all.

Escapay

[Lazario]

I believe you, Lazario. You definitely know what you're talking about when it comes to serious issues, something I should have realized early on (yes, this is an apology for the mess I made in the JS thread). But there are still people here who just want to stir up trouble, in the name of discussion. It's not gonna be me, as my post here is nothing but an agreement with you (rare, huh?).

Wait a minute, I know you probably won't read this... but what made you realize I was right? Or that I had a point, did you go back and read it?

Anyway, I don't think anyone here has any major revelations about their sexuality. Though I was a little surprised that Raydawggie had bi-leanings. I have to wonder what man did it for him? But then wait, is Raydawggie male? Two many questions to ask Raydawggie.

[Siren]

Thank you Escapay. I do not believe the board needs ANOTHER controversy, since gays were already discussed and ended. So in reality, it's not another controversy, it's just digging up the same mud slinging conversation that happened before. People will only end up repeating themselves. And how it this useful? It only uses up bandwidth and space on Luke. It's been discussed/debated/fought over before. No where in the Rosie thread did someone do a little poll of "Who's gay?". A few did say they were gay, but there was no particular answer. No matter WHAT people believe, the answers should have stayed on topic. "Who's gay?" means those who are gay say so, if they feel inclinded to identify themselves. It wasn't "What do you think of gays?", thus opening a can of worms for all straight people to put their two cents in.

I think some people just have knee-jerk reactions to the whole gay thread and really, after the Rosie thread, it's no longer needed. Everyone pretty much said their peace then on what they thought of gays, the good, bad and extreemly ugly. It got personal, heated, and hated. How is this good for anyone? To get upset over what a 16 year old has to say about gays who lives 30 states away from you? How is this relevant? Especially since we pretty much KILLED the subject with the Rosie thread.

If people really want to do controversy, why not find a new subject, if they feel they so compelled to fight and bicker and hate eachother? Because for the most part, people find it hard here to have an intelligent debate. They turn to mud slinging and insults. Is having a debate about gays or anything else really THAT imporant to break friendships and hold grudges? Is it really worth it? No, it's not.

[Alice]

*Bump*


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Dear Pinkie.........That little paragraph (even though it was harmless) just ticked me off.....

I wasn't in the mood for a lesson on "Interesting Threads and How they stay ACTIVE!"

oh, and there I saved some space by adding another message onto a previous one.........

[pinkrenata]

I would like to point out that bumping a thread in which discussion has come to a (temporary) close is quite unnecessary and really does no more than boost post counts. If something is so interesting that it spurs more conversation, it will do so without a bump.

[Lazario]

I think this topic has a very useful direction, someone said back there they still feel homosexuality is... what did they call it... inappropriate? Wrong? I think people still have feelings on posts with that mentality. And trust me, I always have something to say about this topic. It's not closed. We just appear to have a lot of members here that are somewhat uncomfortable with it.

I know in the end there's not that much to say. Which proves just how normal it really is. So, as long as there are no more posts with "I think" said by people who have no idea what gay is... I guess I have nothing else to say either.

[Nausica's biggest fan]

people are entilted to their opinion


and I do think its wrong because it's not natural and i'm not uncomfortable talking about it.
but if think they think they are that way then so be it and I have no trouble saying it and thats that.

[Lazario]

Well, I don't think people like you are smart enough to judge this sort of issue anyway. If you're made uncomfortable by homosexuality, you obviously have more problems than you're letting on. And who said what's natural for one person, or even one group, is natural for everyone? You're using the most cliched and coughed up, empty-headed excuse people use to justify their ignorant point of view, which yours clearly is.

There are two main points people need to understand when claiming that they don't agree with homosexuality or that it makes them uncomfortable:

1. Who cares? Am I, for instance, responsible for you being holier-than-thou? Do I have to answer to what you believe, does any gay person?

2. This is a free country. And even if people are uncomfortable, it doesn't matter. I as the person who may at any time feel inclined to - hold hands in public with a person of my own gender, kiss that person in public, wear clothing with a rainbow symbol on it or an inverted pink triangle, whistle suggestively at men passing by or comment looking at a guy's nice butt, or talk to friends in a manner that professes feelings for a member of my own gender - have the 'right of way' in this equation, over a person who might claim I am making them uncomfortable.

Actually moreso considering that I pay more in housing than straight couples due to benefits denied same sex partners, pay cuts I take for being 'out' at work (it's better than losing my job), and the fact that I have had 2 jobs at times in the past. Let's just say all of that is my free pass to say and do whatever I want to in public, again especially since I don't drink and I rarely go to clubs.

People like you Nausica, are the main reason why we still have hate crimes, intolerance, and murders that could be prevented by a society that refuses to do what's right: live and let live. You don't have the right to complain in my opinion, do you think you're the victim here?

[Alice]

Listen Whats-Your-Face-Above-Lazario I've got 2 Words for you!

BACK OFF!

We WERE having a NICE discussion until YOU came here and posted........

Yes people are entitled to their own opinions when it's RELEVANT!

Were WE even Discussing right or wrong "NO"......

So I say again BACK OFF!

B-A-C-K{space}O-F-F{exclamation point}!

[Lazario]

Yes people are entitled to their own opinions when it's RELEVANT!

That's actually a very good point.

And any discussion is nice until blatant ignorance starts rearing it's ugly head.

[Siren]

deathiemouse>Pretty much what I said when this all started. Some people just feed on negativity. They can't help but stick their nose in and give a negative opinion when this wasn't a thread for it. It was a straight forward question. I only originally checked out this thread before the title was editted to be specific. But if I see a thread about Lizzie McGuire or American Idol, I ignore it. Because I don't like them and I don't waste my time just to go onto those threads and say, "Well I don't like them." I have better things to do with my time. Like try to bring some common sense to these people.

[Lazario]

I think though, this post has a very useful message to people. I'll state it right now, so that people will understand where I'm going with my comments.

Some people are pro, some are anti. However, this is one of those issues where it's just not right to be anti unless you really understand it, to understand you really have to either be gay or know a gay person really well. But the nature of "disagreeing" with this is not to know anything about it. Which is really sad. Because that's like saying that I'm not worth anything because I'm gay. And I say to that, that's simply not true.

It's not fair to say you're not comfortable with it. Because first of all, you have no right to say that, regardless of opinion. For I am guarranteed the right most places in my country, the U.S.A. (flawed as hell but still a FREE nation), to be what is termed 'gay' or homosexual in public. Lastly, the person who says they don't agree with it, would be singing a completely different tune if they were gay. Which is the only way to understand and experience how natural or unnatural it is.

Lastly, on the issue of natural or unnatural... I've always been gay, I'm male and all of my sexual impulses as long as I've had them have been toward men. And nothing strange happened to me as I was growing up. There is simply no point of 'deviation', this is just the way I was meant to be. That's as far as the natural issue goes.

And anyone can argue anything in the world makes them uncomfortable. Some people are made uncomfortable by using doorknobs and buttons in public places, some people are made uncomfortable by works of art hanging in galleries or museums. We have to say, regardless of how many people might find it disagreeable, that it's a matter of property and gay civil rights that need to be protected, not some peoples' morals or values.

I do wish that what I am and sometimes do wouldn't make some people uncomfortable, but in the end, you can't hold yourself responsible for what bugs other people. Complaining about it isn't cooperative or pro-active, it's only passively dealing with what bothers you. When really the only respectable thing to do is to deal with these feelings that bring you so much discomfort, and stop hindering the lives of others because you're not comfortable.

[Sendur]

for the record: im gay
16 years old, male, from holland

nice land to be gay in:)

soo now you know... my second post is this:D

[Lazario]

Really? What's so great about it? (For the record, I honestly don't know)

[Siren]

From what I hear, Holland is more accepting of gays.

[Sendur]

Yes it is
Here in Holland are a lot of people Gay, and almost nobody has a problem with it