DISNEY EN ESPAÑOL

Ric-Mx · Post by **Ric-Mx** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:37 pm

MMBoy, don't take it personal, I really like you... but

English IT'S NOT the universal language...
there's no such thing yet

Many, many, many people speak it because it's important for the International Bussines (speak it or die, literally) and it's not as hard to learn as many other languages (like Asian ones)

The point is that anyone should feel free to post on any language, if it is easier to express themselves better, even if not the 100% undestands it, I wouldn't mind to see other languages posts, in fact if I care I wold look for a way to translate it and maybe learn something new (even if they don't talk about international releases or anything)

after all Internet is about broken borders and in this case it may be cultural sharing,...

Sure English it's the most important language online
it may seem selfish, but nothing is over the freedom to make a choice...

don't you think??

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:44 pm

MMB is just saying that we have an International Forum for such things.

Post by **Luke** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:48 pm

But if I make a Spanish forum, what will happen to all of the Spanish forums that take our pictures and bandwidth and don't link back to us??

Inside joke between me...and my bandwidth reports...and those Spanish forums, they know who they are.

Ric-Mx · Post by **Ric-Mx** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:54 pm

ok.
ok..
ok...
anyway, in extreme cases we'll handle it bilingual...
and the forrum shouldn't be "english only"
it should be "english preffered"
deal?

anyway... I think a section (on the site, not on the forum) about Disney En Español it's a good idea... I'll work it out later...

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:57 pm

Ric-Mx wrote:MMBoy, don't take it personal, I really like you... but

English IT'S NOT the universal language...
there's no such thing yet

ric-MX wrote:Many, many, many people speak it because it's important for the International Bussines (speak it or die, literally) and it's not as hard to learn as many other languages (like Asian ones)
Many people speak it because is part of their school subjects, it's mandatory in many countries as a foreign language, so in a way it is a universal language since anywhere you go in the world about 50% of the countries population will speak english to a degree.

ric-mx wrote:The point is that anyone should feel free to post on any language, if it is easier to express themselves better, even if not the 100% undestands it, I wouldn't mind to see other languages posts, in fact if I care I wold look for a way to translate it and maybe learn something new (even if they don't talk about international releases or anything)

after all Internet is about broken borders and in this case it may be cultural sharing,...

You can post any language you want here, you're free to post but don't wait for people to reply to it. plus why do most people that come from from the south expect all of us to cater their language? the states official language is ENGLISH not spanish. that always seems to be a problem with some Hispanic people , I know alot of people from other latin countries and they all speak english and are not looking to cater their language since they know this is not a spanish speaking country. now if i was in mexico I would probably learn the language. just the same way as kinoo, chernabog and jose don't impose their languages on us (which i think it's hard for them to express in english too!) i think it wouldnt hurt you or anyone else to do the same!

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:59 pm

Luke wrote:But if I make a Spanish forum, what will happen to all of the Spanish forums that take our pictures and bandwidth and don't link back to us??

Inside joke between me...and my bandwidth reports...and those Spanish forums, they know who they are.

can we have a portuguese , swedish and french forums too? i think it's only fair for the other international members

Manuel · Post by **Manuel** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:14 am

siiii me gusta cada vez que entro en este foro me parto la cabeza traduciendo...!!! Me gusta que por lo menos haya una apartado en español. Buena idea!!!
y nada k esto siga pa lante.

Manuel · Post by **Manuel** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:15 am

siiii me gusta cada vez que entro en este foro me parto la cabeza traduciendo...!!! Me gusta que por lo menos haya una apartado en español. Buena idea!!!
y nada k esto siga pa lante.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:46 am

MMB, would you care to lay down a few guidelines on how we should speak from now on?

Maybe some of my Aussie slang offends your narrow viewpoint?

The US official language might be English, but guess what? Not all of us are born in the US!!! Hard to believe I know...and there are a lot of international posters on here too who may or may not speak English as well as you obviously do. Would you have them confined to the International Forum? Seems that way to me...Why can't we all share those thoughts in one forum, rather than segregating us off into little boxes where we can't offend people who don't like the look of something they aren't used to.

MickeyMouseboy wrote:just the same way as kinoo, chernabog and jose don't impose their languages on us (which i think it's hard for them to express in english too!) i think it wouldnt hurt you or anyone else to do the same!

Impose? Isn't that what YOU would have? English imposed on everyone here?

Ric-mx is right. The Internet is about breaking down borders - both real and imagined. I for one find it amazing that we have people here speaking Spanish, English, French, German, Swedish, dodgy Australian English etc...and we are all sharing a common interest - Disney.

Remember - It's a Small world after all, but some people need to broaden their horizons.

Andy & Woody · Post by **Andy & Woody** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:25 am

Yo opino que es muy buena idea hacer un foro sólo en español.
I think that it is very good idea to make a forum only in Spanish.

herman_the_german · Post by **herman_the_german** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:17 pm

If it is not against the rules and the moderators do not mind I don't have a problem with a Spanish (or whatever branch). Is this not the ULTIMATE Disney.com? That means you should not need to go anywhere else in the internet for your Disney needs.

Personally I am fluent in 187 languages so I don't have a problem with it!

Puedo discutir en espanol con el mejor de ellos, solo que no me pidan que anada dieresis, acentos y todos esos otros simbolos que no estan en mi tablero normal!

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:48 pm

Loomis wrote:MMB, would you care to lay down a few guidelines on how we should speak from now on?

Maybe some of my Aussie slang offends your narrow viewpoint?

The US official language might be English, but guess what? Not all of us are born in the US!!! Hard to believe I know...and there are a lot of international posters on here too who may or may not speak English as well as you obviously do. Would you have them confined to the International Forum? Seems that way to me...Why can't we all share those thoughts in one forum, rather than segregating us off into little boxes where we can't offend people who don't like the look of something they aren't used to.

MickeyMouseboy wrote:just the same way as kinoo, chernabog and jose don't impose their languages on us (which i think it's hard for them to express in english too!) i think it wouldnt hurt you or anyone else to do the same!
Impose? Isn't that what YOU would have? English imposed on everyone here?

Ric-mx is right. The Internet is about breaking down borders - both real and imagined. I for one find it amazing that we have people here speaking Spanish, English, French, German, Swedish, dodgy Australian English etc...and we are all sharing a common interest - Disney.

Remember - It's a Small world after all, but some people need to broaden their horizons.

MMB said nothing wrong and for your information he has nothing against foreign countries in fact he likes them more than his own! All he said was to keep it the International Forum so we don't end up with a bunch of posts that most of us can't read. People can take their 'Political Correctness' and stick it. I don't mean to start a fight here, but you basically just called MMB a narrow minded racist and I will not allow anyone to do that. That was completely wrong especially after all the times he has supported you. Saying that we are 'imposing English' on people is complete BS. We are not imposing any language on here. It was an English language site which was created in the United States. Of course its going to be in English! If I didn't like or understand the language I wouldn't come here. MMB has been to other countries and knows different languages, so none of your arguements hold any water here.

All he was saying was that for the sake of clarity, if you want to have a Spanish language forum, take it to our International Forum and start a spanish language thread. The people on this message board have been nothing but kind and welcoming to people all of over the world, no matter what their language was. We even encoursaged Luke to make an International Forum for our foriegn users to discuss releases exclusive to their countries. I find attacking MMB like you have intollerable.

Ric-Mx · Post by **Ric-Mx** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:09 pm

Oh My God!!!

So many replies for such a silly post...

First of all...
If anyone wants an Spanish only forum there's www.doblajedisney.com a great Disney site for Spain and Latinamerica releases.
So latin users are not lost on the web...

This site it's called Ultimatedisney.com right? the "Ultimate" stands for a wide range of information about it, including international info, although the DVD region that the site is focused is R1 (US and Canada) where English is indeed the official language.

You can see any of my posts back at Onecenter and the ones over here and you'll find that I've never brought the language issuse to discussion.
But when I saw that a newcomer suggested that option I obviously supported it.

The "thing" is that I didn't liked when MMB said
"sorry andy, this forum is English only!"
because it does imply a restriction, which I've never thought about.

C'mon! some of us have over a year, or even more, supporting the site and the forum.

I really don't feel like anyone "attacking" any other user.
I get MMBoy's point about posting english only on the General forum
I get Maerj's point about respect but I really think his reply to this post was too agressive.

***I've always felt that WE'RE FRIENDS sharing a hobbie***

Anyway, it seems some users are making a big deal about a very inoccent and simple suggestion... but when it leads you to the concept of freedom and cultural boudaries it kinda explodes...

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:37 pm

Maybe I was being aggressive, but calling someone a narrow minded racist is a bit aggressive too, don't you think? I am sick of people playing that card and I won't stand for it either online or in person. You have to understand, I was so angered after reading that post that my hands started shaking. We have so many people in our country nowadays trying to pull that kind of crap and we are all getting sick of it. We also have many illegal immigrants who come here, won't learn English and then call us lazy for not learning Spanish.

Its true that we have always got along with you Ric_Mx, but I think that you took MMB the wrong way with the "sorry andy, this forum is English only!" He wasn't trying to limit anyone's freedom of speech or anything, he was merely attempting to inform the new user that he should use Spanish in the International Forum and not in the General Forum.

poco · Post by **poco** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:04 pm

Hola! Welcome to the board!!!!

Ric-Mx · Post by **Ric-Mx** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:29 pm

I've havent got a problem witn anyone
I like you all!

if not I would be a part of the forum

besides I would love to learn as many languages, facts about different cultures, and everything about everything as I can... but I haven't got the time... to do that...

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:32 pm

I don't have a problem with you either Ric, none of us do. We all like you and have for a long time. I love other cultures too, maybe you and I can meet in Epcot one day!

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:21 pm

Loomis wrote:MMB, would you care to lay down a few guidelines on how we should speak from now on?

Maybe some of my Aussie slang offends your narrow viewpoint?

The US official language might be English, but guess what? Not all of us are born in the US!!! Hard to believe I know...and there are a lot of international posters on here too who may or may not speak English as well as you obviously do. Would you have them confined to the International Forum? Seems that way to me...Why can't we all share those thoughts in one forum, rather than segregating us off into little boxes where we can't offend people who don't like the look of something they aren't used to.

MickeyMouseboy wrote:just the same way as kinoo, chernabog and jose don't impose their languages on us (which i think it's hard for them to express in english too!) i think it wouldnt hurt you or anyone else to do the same!
Impose? Isn't that what YOU would have? English imposed on everyone here?

Ric-mx is right. The Internet is about breaking down borders - both real and imagined. I for one find it amazing that we have people here speaking Spanish, English, French, German, Swedish, dodgy Australian English etc...and we are all sharing a common interest - Disney.

Remember - It's a Small world after all, but some people need to broaden their horizons.

Sorry to offend your aussie narrow mind Loomis, I really don't care what language you
write on, it just isn't nice to the people that don't speak it, in another words is rude! do you
think it be nice of me to go to a Spanish forum where noone speaks English or writes in
English? do you think I would be welcomed or anyone would reply? probably not! but if I
speak in there language I would be welcomed and I would fit in just fine. Again that's why
am not in a Spanish forum trying to make them understand me by not posting in their
native tongue. and I don't impose English on anyone here since everyone on here already
speaks it!

That's fine if you want to break the "borders" that's why there's an
international Forum. and for the last things Kinoo is French and speaks in English cause he
chooses to, cause he knows everyone will understand him and he doesn’t make a whole
racist issue. Jose Carioca is from Brazil and he speaks Portuguese but decides to write in
English so everyone can understand him do you see him complaining that we are racist or
narrow minded? Chernabog is from Spain he speaks Castillian do you see him making
drama like Ric_mx when both of them share a similarity in language? then the other
Chernabog is from Sweden he speaks Swedish and he also chooses to write in English
cause again everyone can understand him! so are any of this individuals "Narrow Minded"
or ashamed of speaking their own language? or think we are going to kick them out if they
do? NO! they just know that the majority of us speak English and they want to be part of
our forum. how can we be united if everyone speaks different languages? wouldn’t we be
closer if we speak just one and everyone understands everyone else? Think about it! who's
actually working for unity?

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:14 am

Maerj wrote:People can take their 'Political Correctness' and stick it

Nice. Good to see that I am dealing with an open-minded, rational group of people here.

And MMB…
I'm not even going to dignify this horrid mess with a response.

But there is one thing I cannot let pass before I leave this backward thinking thread:
It sounds very much like your idea of unity is where everyone talks, acts and looks the same. Hmmm, what does that sound like?

MickeyMouseboy wrote:
Sorry to offend your aussie narrow mind Loomis, I really don't care what language you write on, it just isn't nice to the people that don't speak it, in another words is rude!

You mean like writing in English to people who don’t speak it? Would that count as not nice? How about telling someone to speak English when they are just trying to be included on the forum? Would you count THAT as rude? Because I think it is.

MickeyMouseboy wrote: That's fine if you want to break the "borders" that's why there's an international Forum.

I’m soooooo glad we have your approval to express ourselves. After all, it is OK to be different – as long as it is out of your sight, and out of your mind.

MickeyMouseboy wrote: probably not! but if I speak in there * language I would be welcomed and I would fit in just fine.

(*My emphasis)
And if you are going to push English as a language a ‘universal language’, perhaps you should learn to spell and type it first.

Jonasdachord · Post by **Jonasdachord** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:47 am

Here is a clue for everybody who is offended or whatever by a post...

a few......... very........ simple........ words.........

"don't read it!"

If you can't understand a post, or it offends you, or whatever your problem is -- dont read it.

Its really that simple.

And on that point, we are in the "off-topic" section of the forum?

Doesnt that in a way imply that a person can post whatever off-topic thing they want, even things in other languages?

If a wierd posting in spanish isn't off topic enough, man... how off topic does something need to be?

Perhaps I'll start a thread about fecophiliac alabamans who wear diapers while watching disney films backwards in order to obtain messages from satan their demonic overlord of doom (ie. Bill Gates).

And I'll post it in Swahili.

"unity", "bringing people together"???? Hah! what a joke!

All I see is you all creating division by this beurocratic size of your pee-pee comparing debate.

Speaking of which.

8inches.

hahahahahahhahahaa...

I kill me... :^D

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