Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs New 2-Disc DVD Thread

[toonaspie]

My birthday moolah has come in so I can finally buy this tomorrow.

But I'm still confused about the sets: there's a standard 2-disc edition and then there's a 3-disc Combo pack with the Blu Ray right?

But if I get the Combo with the Blu Ray I wont be able to access most of the features that would appear on the standard 2-disc unless I have a Blu Ray player right? (I'm big on the making of extra features stuff, which is why I ask).

I'm still trying to figure out what to do. My family still doesnt have a Blu Ray player yet. My dad said we will upgrade to Blu Ray eventually but I dunno how soon eventually will be. And this will be my first copy of Snow White on DVD (never bought the PE) so it's a tough decision to make.

Lil help?

[Goliath]

Blu-ray has a resolution that's five times higher than dvd, while vhs had the same resolution as dvd. The audio is the same track that the studios mix, only compressed. Again far greater than the difference between dvd and vhs.
Just because it's also a disc doesn't mean the difference is smaller.

I'm not impressed by your technical details. I'm talking about experience. And the difference in the experience of a film on VHS or DVD is far greater than experiencing it on DVD or BluRay.

Actually, VHS had 250 lines of resolution horizontally as opposed to DVD's 480. DVD was a marked improvement on the VHS in every way.

Aha! Let's keep it honest, Blu fanboys.

I guess I have to buy a blue-ray player to play the blue-disk edition which of course is full of the bonus features I would like to see.

That's what they hope you'll do. If you do that, you reward their unethical business practices.[/quote]

Are Disney Dutch DVDs significantly different from the ones in the US? If so, would that there's still hope for the US?

There's no general answer to that. I mean, we got the 2-disc Lilo & Stitch DVD in 2002; the US only got it last year. We got a 2-disc Tarzan DVD, while the US only got a single disc edition. Then again, we only got a 1-disc Alice in Wonderland 'special edition' while the US got a 2-disc version. And we didn't even get a Pocahontas, Atlantis or Brother Bear 2-disc at all.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, why Disney does such a thing?

If you have a dying desire to see John Ratzenburger completely destroy Micheal Eisner's legacy through some not too so subtle sarcasm, yes (Poor Jodi Benson got the short straw on that bonus feature...).

I must have missed that? What did he say?

By the way, I would have preferred the trailers only. The whole piece was way too self-congratulatory, and it completely ignored the challenges that Disney faced in the 1940's and 1970's and 1980's. The only good thing about that Disney promo is the appearance of one Ming-Na.

Who is this woman? What is her connection with Disney? Has she appeared in Playboy? Is she in more Disney dvds?

[Escapay]

The only good thing about that Disney promo is the appearance of one Ming-Na.

Who is this woman? What is her connection with Disney? Has she appeared in Playboy? Is she in more Disney dvds?

The speaking voice of Mulan in Mulan and Mulan II.

No, she hasn't appeared in Playboy.

She's on the following DVDs:

Beauty and the Beast: Platinum Edition - she talks about "Mulan" in The Story Behind The Story in the Mrs. Potts section.

Mulan: Special Edition - frustratingly, there's no featurette on the DVD about the voice cast, so the Mulan II sneak peek is her only appearance.

Mulan II - she also appears briefly in "The Voices of Mulan".

albert

[toonaspie]

eh...so according to the UD review there are two types of the Combo sets:

Blu Ray + DVD

DVD + Blu Ray

way to increase my confusion, Disney!

But given my predicament I'm guessing the DVD+Blu Ray should be the one I should get. Yeah or Nay?

[Margos]

They are the same thing. It's confusing, I know.

[toonaspie]

They are the same thing. It's confusing, I know.

Heh heh, okay after doing my research I think I figured it out.

Now I have to choose between Blu Ray packaging or Standard packaging

choices...choices

[rj.disney]

However, I've began buying blu-rays because I've realised i can't fight the market and i don't want to be left in the same situation that i was (missing many Disney releases which were soon vaulted because of my denial to upgrade to DVDs) when DVDs were introduced.

Me, too. I bought the Blu-rays for Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio even before we had the player. It wasn't until last June that my brother received a PS3 as a gift. Now, I only have a dozen Blu-rays compared to my hundreds of DVDs and I still buy DVDs.

And I think that this market shift will continue whenever a new format is introduced. I just hope that in the future, both formats are treated nicely for the sake of both sides. I don't want to read internet fights 8 years from now when Snow White is re-released on Green Flash Discs (I just made that up ) with two different cases but contain the same 3 discs: 2-Disc Green Flash Discs + 1 Blu-ray Disc, with the only bonus feature that the Blu-ray got is the Disney View (oh heaven forbid it!) while the Green Flash Disc has got the following exclusives like:

Hours of Making-of Documentaries, Galleries, etc.

and new to Green Flash Disc Technology:

Disney Smell: Smell the characters of Snow White! Now you'll know that the old hag has a bad breath!

Disney Immerse: Be a part of the action! Feel the winds come out of your TV sets when Sneezy sneezes!

* performance depends on player capabilities

okay, enough joking, but I hope you get what I mean.

[Margos]

Green Flash! It's the way of the future!



And then, the blu-people will be say:
"No! That isn't fair! I want to smell all of the woodland creatures, too! C'mon, Disney, put the feeling of Sneezy's projectile-snot on your Blu-Rays, it isn't fair!"

But the green-people will be all like:
"Hahahahaha! Blu-Ray is the suck, just like VHS! You can't put smelly animals and gooey snot on a blu-ray, because you can't enjoy films properly! Walt intended everyone to get covered in snot, and be able to tell exactly when Dopey needs his diaper changed! You need to advance with the times!"

And no one will care about DVD anymore. But it will be OK, because the recession will probably be over by then. Although, at the rate technology is going, this could all happen in a few months!

[rj.disney]

same old, same old

but seriously, I agree with you, Margos. With the current rate of how technology is going, each techie item like ipod, iphones, blu-ray are going to be replaced faster than the ones they replaced previously.

[BelleGirl]

Just bougth the two disk DVD "Deluxe edition" of Snow White and I'm sorry to say I'm dissapointed.

Please tell me where on the case it says Deluxe? It seems by calling them "2-Disc DVDs" Disney is being very careful to impart these are nothing more than a step above a normal bare bones release. It's like the Days of VHS and Laserdisc - one was the Super Duper Deluxe Widescreen Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious edition and the other was the VHS. This time, It's the Diamond Edition and the DVD, it's just that the DVD has more than one platter.

On the plastic DVD-case it says "Deluxe"! Next time I will be more carefull to double-dip (one consolation: because of my Airmiles I could get the dvd for half the price) I guess I'll have to keep my old dvd of Snow White as well, for it does have some extra's even this 'deluxe'edition doesn't have, even though it's only one disk. (for instance: Barbra Streisand singing "One day my Prince will come", much better than Mily Cyrus I think)

[KubrickFan]

Blu-ray has a resolution that's five times higher than dvd, while vhs had the same resolution as dvd. The audio is the same track that the studios mix, only compressed. Again far greater than the difference between dvd and vhs.
Just because it's also a disc doesn't mean the difference is smaller.

I'm not impressed by your technical details. I'm talking about experience. And the difference in the experience of a film on VHS or DVD is far greater than experiencing it on DVD or BluRay.

Oh, 'experience'? Blu-rays can easily be projected (yes, even in theaters where it still holds up pretty good), while a 42" television is already making the shortcomings of a dvd visible. How's that for experience?
And you were talking about 'significantly better' which means I'd have to go into the technical details to prove you wrong. And releasing a new format after ten years isn't that quick.

But anyway, I think I'll watch the Hyperion Studios feature again. It's great .

[The_Iceflash]

And releasing a new format after ten years isn't that quick.

Yes it is. Maybe not to those who jump on the new technology bandwagon whenever something new comes out and are quick to drop the old and maybe not to those who play the numbers game (trying to get the highest specs currently out there and using that to compare the significance of the differences of formats instead of their eyes.) but to the majority it's impractical and even unnecessary. Some people get a kick out of either replacing for feeling compelled to upgrade their movie collections every ten years but those who don't play the numbers game get annoyed by it. It's as if their current format will never be good enough. Those who try to keep up with technology will never be satisfied.



Back to the Snow White 2-Disc DVD topic, Right now all we see is what is included in the international releases of it. I never understood why Disney has repeatedly taken things off international releases. I don't understand why Disney just can't standardize all the releases. (With the exception of language tracks, etc). But for all we know, the US release may for the most part just be a port of the Blu-ray release. We'll have to wait and see if Disney even acknowledges the 2-Disc DVD's existence publicly or not and if they make known what's in it prior to it's release. I wonder if UD will even get a review copy for it or not. I'd hate to see the review if Disney pulls that stunt again.

[Goliath]

But given my predicament I'm guessing the DVD+Blu Ray should be the one I should get. Yeah or Nay?

That one only has one dvd disc, with only the film and the audio commentary on it.

No, she hasn't appeared in Playboy.

He answered the question!

Thanks for the information, man!

Yes it is. [...] Those who try to keep up with technology will never be satisfied.

Exactly. Those people only care about technological detailsn and stuff like that. I care about the movies, and I don't have to own three copies on three formats to enjoy it. And didn't dvd only became huge after 2000? When did the majority of consumers (hate that word with passion, by the way) adapt (ugh!) to dvd?

[miklc]

I just got an email from Play.com to say that my order for Snow White 2-Disc DVD has been posted whoo!! As it's only Tuesday I'm hoping it comes before Monday (the DVD's official UK release), a few pre-orders I've gotten from Play.com have arrived before their official release, for example The Little Mermaid came a day or two early back in 2006, can't wait for it to come.

[BelleGirl]

Goliath

BelleGirl wrote:
I guess I have to buy a blue-ray player to play the blue-disk edition which of course is full of the bonus features I would like to see.

That's what they hope you'll do. If you do that, you reward their unethical business practices.

To be clear: I'm not planning to buy a blu-ray player for the time being (and that's a long time) because I'm happy with dvd's.
Thus far all two-disc DVD editions (platinum, Special, Anniversary etc.) of Disney movies I've bougth were satisfactory to good in the bonus feature department. So how could I have known that the Snow White 2 disc DVD edition would be so meagre in that aspect?

[toonaspie]

But given my predicament I'm guessing the DVD+Blu Ray should be the one I should get. Yeah or Nay?

That one only has one dvd disc, with only the film and the audio commentary on it.

I'll probably get the Blu Ray set either way. The special features are such that I can hold out until my family finally gets a Blu Ray player. Thank god they have the audio commentary on the standard DVD disc though.

[miklc]

That one only has one dvd disc, with only the film and the audio commentary on it.

I'll probably get the Blu Ray set either way. The special features are such that I can hold out until my family finally gets a Blu Ray player. Thank god they have the audio commentary on the standard DVD disc though.

That's the same with me, I bought the Blu-Ray yesturday and last year I got Sleeping Beauty on Blu-Ray despite not owning a Blu-Ray player but I have the DVD versions which are fine for me at the moment, and it means that whenever I do decide finally upgrade I will already have a small collection started. Also the bonus of buying the Blu-Ray's is that I get the extra copy of the film on DVD, I'm also planning on re-buying Pinocchio on Blu-Ray soonish aswell

[2099net]

And releasing a new format after ten years isn't that quick.

Yes it is. Maybe not to those who jump on the new technology bandwagon whenever something new comes out and are quick to drop the old and maybe not to those who play the numbers game (trying to get the highest specs currently out there and using that to compare the significance of the differences of formats instead of their eyes.) but to the majority it's impractical and even unnecessary. Some people get a kick out of either replacing for feeling compelled to upgrade their movie collections every ten years but those who don't play the numbers game get annoyed by it. It's as if their current format will never be good enough. Those who try to keep up with technology will never be satisfied.

It's not good enough any more. That is a fact. DVD was released to the standard of TV's and displays of the time (basically standard NTSC/PAL) while Blu-ray is being released to the standard of TV's and displays of today (basically HD/various super/extended VGA displays for computers). So fact wise, DVD when it was introduced used the full potential of displays, where as now only Blu-ray does.

It's really not complicated. TVs have increased in quality - so its not suprising <u>some</u> people want recorded media which takes advantage of that increase in quality. Or else, why get a HD display at all?

I really don't see the problem. If your TV went ka-put tomorrow, odds are you'd end up with a HD standard TV rather than an old NTSC resolution TV. In fact, you may find it close to impossible to buy a decent, non-HD TV new.

But its not just hardware which has improved, so has software. The compression codecs supported by Blu-ray are many times more efficient than those supported on DVD. Be it visual or audio. Most of these improvements can be put down to movie-streaming on the Internet where compression is important... but if you have a better codec, why not use it? Do you think the technology should simply be left on the shelf? It's like suggesting Disney should never have moved to CAPS, or none of the new attractions at Disneyworld should use new technology ('cos the old attractions were "good enough" weren't they? They were world famous after all!)

It's available technology driving Blu-ray's creation and growth - just like technology is driving smaller, multi-purpose phones; the creation of notebook computers; more expansive computer storage; bigger & better video games systems and games; GPS systems; and yes... even Pixar films (after all, Toy Story is just as entertaining a movie with its "crude" rendering today as it was when it was released - all the rendering improvement's since could be described as "unnecessary")

You can't stop technology from improving. All you can do is say if the technology improvement is worth the investment. Lots of people didn't think a PS3 was worth the investment - until the slim was released and the price dropped. Lots of people still probably see the PS3 as not worth the investment for whatever reason - but it doesn't mean they're right or they're wrong. It's a personal choice.

While to a certain extent studios are pushing Blu-ray (And I firmly believe the only reason for this is for the average person on the street piracy is much harder from a Blu-ray disc than ripping a DVD at this time. I don't believe the motive is money - it costs a lot to restore older movies to a standard appropriate for Blu-ray, and most new modern movie Blu-rays can be grabbed for only a small premium over the DVD release if you shop around) what's really driving Blu-ray is just standard, technological advances. Companies are already talking about 3D TVs - thankfully it appears a number of existing Blu-ray players may be able to display 3D with only firmware upgrades, but its possible some (or maybe all) will require a new player with a revised Blu-ray specification. But that's just another example of technology driving the player - people who buy new technology want a way to take advantage of it.

Back to the Snow White 2-Disc DVD topic, Right now all we see is what is included in the international releases of it. I never understood why Disney has repeatedly taken things off international releases. I don't understand why Disney just can't standardize all the releases. (With the exception of language tracks, etc). But for all we know, the US release may for the most part just be a port of the Blu-ray release. We'll have to wait and see if Disney even acknowledges the 2-Disc DVD's existence publicly or not and if they make known what's in it prior to it's release. I wonder if UD will even get a review copy for it or not. I'd hate to see the review if Disney pulls that stunt again.

Considering the US was the only region with a 'lengthy' wait between the Blu-ray and DVD release I think its beyond optimistic to expect the US disc to have any more features than the international versions.

[KubrickFan]

Considering the US was the only region with a 'lengthy' wait between the Blu-ray and DVD release I think its beyond optimistic to expect the US disc to have any more features than the international versions.

I don't think it will be. All that's missing is the Hyperion Studios feature, and that doesn't work as seamless as the Blu-ray version does. That's probably why they left it off the disc.

[Margos]

It's not good enough any more. That is a fact.

Just so's we're clear: It isn't the best anymore. It isn't the top, the apex, the peak of the mountain, etc. anymore. But it is "good enough."
It's good like generic perfume. Maybe it isn't as "good," but it's all most people can afford. It's more attainable, and, in the end, just as enjoyable. Some people are just really, really, really picky, and those people certainly couldn't survive on what my family makes in a year.
But I certainly can, and so can most people. DVD is good enough for those people.