The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part II

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:57 am

The Little Merboy wrote: Singing the Part of Your World/Happy Ending, I love that alternate part alone.

This is getting off-topic, but what alternate part are you speaking of?!?

The Little Merboy · Post by **The Little Merboy** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:35 am

blackcauldron85 wrote:
The Little Merboy wrote: Singing the Part of Your World/Happy Ending, I love that alternate part alone.
This is getting off-topic, but what alternate part are you speaking of?!?

Where Ariel turns into a human, and comes to Eric's side singing.
"Now we can walk, now we can run, now we can stay all day in the sun."
I totally loved it, and you got to hear Jodi's amazing voice

PrincePhillipFan · Post by **PrincePhillipFan** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:12 am

CampbellzSoup wrote:Mike, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to do? I don't see any positivity coming from you with this movie at all...

The animation is wonderful...it truly is a great effort on Disney's part, and I'm not sure what frames are missing and what have you. I love the animation in treasure planet too, and I think this looks fantastic as well.

Let’s see the film first before we make more negative comments!

I completely agree, Mike! Just what do you even really like about the trailer Dusty?

I know I wasn't too thrilled from the footage I've seen, but after seeing the trailer, I am incredibly excited about the movie now. The animation looks gorgeous, and the backgrounds are truly lovely. I'm also really liking the character designs and personalities from what we've so far. There's just something about Naveen that makes me love him every time. He's adorable in a Pepe Le Pew kind of way.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:56 am

The Little Merboy wrote: Where Ariel turns into a human, and comes to Eric's side singing.
"Now we can walk, now we can run, now we can stay all day in the sun."
I totally loved it, and you got to hear Jodi's amazing voice

But Ariel doesn't sing in that part...are you saying that Jodi sings in the chorus for that?

Marce82 · Post by **Marce82** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:00 am

Ahhh....Disney Duster, we clearly don't see eye to eye. I think the animation on TPATF looks great, it anything a little too cartoony. But that's more about the acting than the craft itself.
Im particularly annoyed by the shot where Tiana says "one kiss"? It looks so unnatural!

And how can you say the animation on Enchanted was better??? The animation on Enchanted was pretty mediocre, specially Giselle. Her model changed almost from shot to shot, her face got deformed, the cleanup in general was pretty bad....if you go frame-to-frame you can see hoe awful her hands look...

TPATF looks WAY better.

PrincePhillipFan · Post by **PrincePhillipFan** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:21 am

And at least we can say the debates on here about the film seem more civil than other places.

Already on IMDB, people are complaining that "Naveen isn't black!" and there needs to an African-American prince. I'm all for diversity in Disney films, but all this constant clamoring for people's own of something is just getting ridiculous. Why can't people just enjoy a character that might be different from them in a film?

I could raise a big stink about how there's no pudgy overweight prince that I can connect with myself. The closest thing I have is Snow White's Prince who has a chubby face, and they slim him down most of the time any way for clip art now.

supertalies · Post by **supertalies** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:28 am

blackcauldron85 wrote:
The Little Merboy wrote: Where Ariel turns into a human, and comes to Eric's side singing.
"Now we can walk, now we can run, now we can stay all day in the sun."
I totally loved it, and you got to hear Jodi's amazing voice
But Ariel doesn't sing in that part...are you saying that Jodi sings in the chorus for that?

It was deleted from the final movie.

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:55 pm

Disney Duster wrote:I did notice they were doing a lot of animating on the twos, too much I think for an animated feature doen by Disney!

Actually, Disney classics are mostly shot on twos. It's a common misconception for fans to think that more frames drawn per second automatically means "better" and more-flowy animation, but it doesn't ("flowy" is better captured by the strength of the individual drawings and how they work together along with squash & stretch principles). Twos are actually preferable in most scenes to keep the line-art from getting too jittery, while ones are reserved for complex/intricate scenes.

Disney Duster wrote:enigmawing, thank you, but I wish they would differentiate between rotoscoping and live-action reference. A lot of unknowing people will think wrong of Disney, maybe even not buy those referenced films or want to watch them anymore.

I understand your concern but don't think it's necessary. Most casual Disney fans/purchasers know nothing of the whole animation process nor do they care to. You'd be amazed at how many people think hand-drawn is all done by computers anymore or that it's all traced anyway. And most hardcore Disney fans like us mostly enjoy the movies for what they are (characters, feel, look, and stories) and not for how they're supposedly made.

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:40 pm

Wait wait wait... Naveen is white??

Um...

In comparison to the other Princes he's quite tanned, almost Latino like. He's not white so why are people complaining?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:55 pm

Who said he was white? He is a person of color of Hispanic or Latin origin. People are complaining not because of the interracial romance but because he's not African-American. An African-American prince has yet to be portrayed in a Disney film and some people argue that by excluding an all African-American romance you fail to depict adequately the black community.

a-net-fan · Post by **a-net-fan** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:32 pm

sotiris2006 wrote:Who said he was white? He is a person of color also, of Hispanic or Latin origin. People are complaining not because of the interracial romance but because he's not African-American. An African-American prince has yet to be portrayed in a Disney film and some people argue that by excluding an all African-American romance you fail to depict adequately the black community.

WELL those ppl are just STUPID!! Im really over all of this......

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:42 pm

Yeah, well some people think that the choice of not having an African-American prince has political and social implications while I think it was a choice made based on the demands and needs of the story.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:47 pm

People complain about this, but not the Cinderella TV movie? That prince is friggin' Asian. I mean, I've known about the "controversy" surrounding this film for a while, now, but people have clearly become ridiculously ignorant. Naveen's still colored. White people are hardly in this film outside a few characters. What's there to complain about!?

And a CGi movie can be painterly without it jumping out at you like it does here.

magicalwands · Post by **magicalwands** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:01 pm

ajmrowland wrote:People complain about this, but not the Cinderella TV movie? That prince is friggin' Asian.

Wasn't his dad white and mom black too?

Then again he could be adopted...

SpringHeelJack · Post by **SpringHeelJack** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:23 pm

ajmrowland wrote:People complain about this, but not the Cinderella TV movie?

"Cinderella" was a much more low-key event than this. Nowhere near the same level.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:18 am

^True, but I can't be the only one who's seen it.

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:06 pm

Well, I finally got to see the trailer in motion, though I had already seen several screenshots. Overall, I liked it. I don’t even see the fuss over the cutting the rug comment. Though I can’t really say anything on the animation (my computer screen is too dark and the trailer too fuzzy), I don’t think it’s bad in terms of comedy. It’s not meant to be a laugh-out-loud moment, but a kind of “chuckle and move on” moment.

My only real gripe with anything seen in the trailer is the Prince’s voice. OMG, how annoying he is. I hope it changes when he returns to human form, but even that won’t help because most of the movie he’ll probably be in frog form. Ugh.

I also agree that maybe they should’ve shown a few other movies besides the fab four. Maybe they just used them to show that they have made modern films that people have liked.

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:14 pm

pap64 wrote:Wait wait wait... Naveen is white??

Um...

In comparison to the other Princes he's quite tanned, almost Latino like. He's not white so why are people complaining?

...how is he white? Are you serious?

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:35 pm

Why are so many saying I'm not saying anything positive when I said the trailer was beautiful and magnificent on the first page?

I don't want to repeat what people have already said about the things I also like, or analyze the trailer too much (beyond frog animation!)

I would love to love the magic swirling water effects...it would be so original and wonderful...if The Swan Princess didn't already do it! The magic effects during the first kiss are nothing special, I kinda dislike them. If I must say one good thing about the water magic, it looks like it changes a little in how it swirls around the frogs, it kind of snakes and then whirls, it's slightly different from the effects of The Swan Princess and it's cool. The Swan Princess actually gave their water magic more color and made it look more beautiful and more like water, though...

The animation in Enchanted was more fluid. It may not have been better in all departments, but it was more flowy and smooth and beautiful in that way.

For Naveen's dancing and tripping over himself, he should probably be animated on more ones because he is moving fast and his legs are doing something intricate and complex.

His foot work also just could be better. He has webbed feet they could stretch or flow better.

But yea budgetary yea.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:56 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:I don’t even see the fuss over the cutting the rug comment. Though I can’t really say anything on the animation (my computer screen is too dark and the trailer too fuzzy)

The animation is up to scratch, though some of the techniques are a bit old-school and low-budget looking.

You can adjust the brightness of your computer screen and watch the trailer in HD(or SD) in Quicktime. Not sure about Windows Media, but that's usually better.

Disney's Divinity wrote:My only real gripe with anything seen in the trailer is the Prince’s voice. OMG, how annoying he is. I hope it changes when he returns to human form, but even that won’t help because most of the movie he’ll probably be in frog form. Ugh.

Really? I'm not annoyed by it(but then again, my parents are the only things that actually annoy me, nowadays)

Disney's Divinity wrote:I also agree that maybe they should’ve shown a few other movies besides the fab four. Maybe they just used them to show that they have made modern films that people have liked.

If it were me, It'd start with Snow White, then Lady and the Tramp, then TLM, and either Aladdin or Lion King. That spans a few more decades.

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