Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[Rudy Matt]

That's why Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston called it "the best film we made without Walt" on their website. And, contrary to what Rudy Matt said, it was a very popular film, the highest grossing Disney film at that time.

Robin Hood was also the highest grossing animated film in single release. So was the Fox and the Hound. So was Spielberg/Bluth's American Tail. So was Oliver and Co.

It's called "ticket price inflation" and "population growth". As the population grows and the price of a ticket increases, so does the average gross receipts of theatrical cinema products.

The Black Cauldron and the Great Mouse Detective were still-born, then Disney returned with Roger Rabbit - a mega-smash by today's standards. Oliver and Co. was a huge hit, eclipsed by Mermaid. Rescuers Down Under opened to empty theaters, then -- fueled by home video releases of Disney classics and Roger Rabbit and Little Mermaid -- Beauty and the Beast hit the wave like a surfer thirlling to his or her own luck. Aladdin built off that. The Lion King built off that.

And then, Return of Jafar. Then Pocahontas. Then Hunchback. The house of cards collapsed. People were sick of seeing the same movie over and over again. Hercules landed with a thud. Mulan greeted with a shrug. Tarzan revived some interest, Emperor's New Groove was a sleeper hit, then the awful DINOSAUR. Atlantis was still-born. DTV dreck came to cinemas, the American populace was inundated with direct to video crap titles again and again and again. Meanwhile, because of the investment of time and reputation, CGI films were winning screenwriting awards while Disney hand-drawn entertainment became a cheap outmoded form of entertainment.

In short, I never said people didn't like The Rescuers. I think it has some of the best scenes in the studio's history and the character animation is a joy - - but it also was made on the cheap, and has a silly Scooby-Doo ending unbefitting all that came before.

[Super Aurora]

I've always found it hard to believe that Aurora is just turning 16. They grow up so fast ...

I thought that too at first.....until the scene when she hug her mother. You see how small and petite she was compared to her mother?

[Goliath]

Robin Hood was also the highest grossing animated film in single release. So was the Fox and the Hound. So was Spielberg/Bluth's American Tail. So was Oliver and Co.

Which proves they were very popular at the time. Contrary to what you claimed.

It's called "ticket price inflation" and "population growth". As the population grows and the price of a ticket increases, so does the average gross receipts of theatrical cinema products.

No, that has nothing to do with it. Because I was talking about the popularity of the movie *back then*. I explicitly added the words "at that time" to make this clear. I wasn't comparing the movie and its box office performance to today's films and their performances.

The Black Cauldron and the Great Mouse Detective were still-born,

The Great Mouse Detective was a relative succes, and convinced Eisner and Katzenberg to continue with animated features.

then Disney returned with Roger Rabbit - a mega-smash by today's standards. Oliver and Co. was a huge hit, eclipsed by Mermaid. Rescuers Down Under opened to empty theaters, then -- fueled by home video releases of Disney classics and Roger Rabbit and Little Mermaid -- Beauty and the Beast hit the wave like a surfer thirlling to his or her own luck. Aladdin built off that. The Lion King built off that.

That's all nice and well, but how does that negate the fact that The Rescuers was much more in tone with the way Walt Disney made film, than the 1990's film? Because that's what I was talking about.

And then, Return of Jafar.

What has a direct-to-video sequel have to do with the Disney Classics?

Then Pocahontas. Then Hunchback. The house of cards collapsed. People were sick of seeing the same movie over and over again. Hercules landed with a thud. Mulan greeted with a shrug.

Pure and utter nonsense. All those films enjoyed huge succes and warm receptions, and they performed great at the box office. They just didn't make as much money as The Lion King, but they were still in the millions; numbers any other studio would have killed for. But again: this was not at all what I was arguiing, so why you bring it up is a mystery to me.

tarzan revived some interest, Emperor's New Groove was a sleeper hit, then the awful DINOSAUR. Atlantis was still-born. DTV dreck came to cinemas, the American populace was inundated with direct to video crap titles again and again and again. Meanwhile, because of the investment of time and reputation, CGI films were winning screenwriting awards while Disney hand-drawn entertainment became a cheap outmoded form of entertainment.

I agree with you on all this, but again: why are you telling me this?

In short, I never said people didn't like The Rescuers. I think it has some of the best scenes in the studio's history and the character animation is a joy - - but it also was made on the cheap, and has a silly Scooby-Doo ending unbefitting all that came before.

Yeah, we already know these grand statements of yours; you've made them repeatedly in another thread, but just repeating a supposedly 'funny' expression doesn't pass for an argument. Either finally explain what you mean by this, or quit using stupid meaningless terms like these.

[mawnck]

and has a silly Scooby-Doo ending unbefitting all that came before.

Yeah, we already know these grand statements of yours; you've made them repeatedly in another thread, but just repeating a supposedly 'funny' expression doesn't pass for an argument. Either finally explain what you mean by this, or quit using stupid meaningless terms like these.

It must have been when Medusa made that crack about "those meddling mice."

[Elladorine]

It must have been when Medusa made that crack about "those meddling mice."

WIST.

[Polizzi]

“It’s always a challenge bringing a great story classic to the screen. Giving visual form to the characters and places that have only existed in the imagination. But it’s the kind of challenge we enjoy.” - Walt Disney

New message from Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," on Facebook. And best of all, a new art.

[singerguy04]

I'm happy that they are giving us new concept art and all, but I just wish that they'd release something new that wasn't this dang scene. I'm seeing so much of the same thing, I feel like I'm just going to end up being bored with the whole scene because it's as if we're seeing it frame by frame. lol

[mawnck]

I'm happy that they are giving us new concept art and all, but I just wish that they'd release something new that wasn't this dang scene. I'm seeing so much of the same thing, I feel like I'm just going to end up being bored with the whole scene because it's as if we're seeing it frame by frame. lol

+1 on the new art ... but you aren't seeing it frame-by-frame. You're still getting a mish-mash of current and rejected versions of it. I'm 95% sure Flynn was out of the chair by this part.

This just increases my growing fear that they've made major changes since the test screening. There's a lot of great stuff they really ought to be showing us. WHERE'S GOTHEL fer cryin' out loud?

Or maybe marketing thinks boys would like to see a movie about being tied to a chair? Hmmmmmmmm .......

[sunhuntin]

went to see ts3 yesterday and they had a preview of tangled with it.
when i first heard about this movie, i was a bit dubious and not all that excited. yes, i would have gone just cos its disney, but wouldnt have held much hope for a good movie.
after seeing the preview however, i am beyond excited. it looks hilarious and i love how theyve animated his horse to have an expression, much like the one in sleeping beauty, instead of just being there.

[UmbrellaFish]

went to see ts3 yesterday and they had a preview of tangled with it.
when i first heard about this movie, i was a bit dubious and not all that excited. yes, i would have gone just cos its disney, but wouldnt have held much hope for a good movie.
after seeing the preview however, i am beyond excited. it looks hilarious and i love how theyve animated his horse to have an expression, much like the one in sleeping beauty, instead of just being there.

It's interesting...

I've noticed a lot of people who don't regularly post in this thread have gone and seen the Tangled trailer in theatres and have been really impressed with it. So have, apparently, regular audiences who see the trailer as well...

Perhaps Disney's marketing is working?

For a change...

[Polizzi]

According to the same Mexican site that talks about a rumor about postponing Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," to next year's release (which would probably not happen), it says:

SATURDAY JULY 10, 2010

Intensive promotion of Rapunzel begins

Now that The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a week of release in the United States, Walt Disney Pictures is left without any major release until November, when he got Rapunzel (Entangled). That is why from this past Tuesday, each day has been publishing a conceptual piece or official picture profiles Facebook to WDAS and Tangled. In a couple of weeks there will be several panels of the film at Siggraph and one more in the Comic With. It is expected that next month we have and a new trailer, a bit more revealing about the plot of the film and the visual aspect of it. From the creators of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mulan and Brother Bear and music of Alan Menken (The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin), the film is a new version of the story of the Brothers Grimm.

In other words, Disney will unleash another trailer in August 2010 that will have more details. There could be no delay on the movie, for they could be finished by now, or maybe sometime this fall before November 5 (limited release), 2010. Here is the site that I got information from.

http://disneynoticiasmexico.blogspot.co ... l/Rapunzel

[ajmrowland]

Wow, that translation was not good.

[SillySymphony]

...Now that The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a week of release in the United States, Walt Disney Pictures is left without any major release until November, when he got Rapunzel (Entangled)...

http://disneynoticiasmexico.blogspot.co ... l/Rapunzel

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entangled

entangle [en-tang-guhl]
*just skip definitions 1-3*
4. to confuse or perplex.


They've got that right.

[singerguy04]

my favorite part was "Comic With"... because con is spanish is with lol

glad to hear the delay was probably nothing more than a rumor though, and that we'll get a new trailer relatively soon. Maybe this one wont upset the hardcore fans so much.

[sunhuntin]

It's interesting...

I've noticed a lot of people who don't regularly post in this thread have gone and seen the Tangled trailer in theatres and have been really impressed with it. So have, apparently, regular audiences who see the trailer as well...

Perhaps Disney's marketing is working?

For a change...

yeh, it was the lack of excitement that kept me from the thread. i did glance at the first few pages, but no furthur. i must say i was shocked at how neat it actually looks, even if it is CGI.
the trailer had some good gags in it and the rest of the audience was cracking up, so that i think will be the main drawcard.
it will be interesting to see how long it is before we even get it. i reckon it wont be till early next year. either way, im looking forward to it. im just glad theres a 3d cinema closer... its an hour away, whereas when the toy story double feature came out, the nearest was 3hrs away, which is a long way for a movie.

[Candy-Bonita95]

It's interesting...

I've noticed a lot of people who don't regularly post in this thread have gone and seen the Tangled trailer in theatres and have been really impressed with it. So have, apparently, regular audiences who see the trailer as well...

Perhaps Disney's marketing is working?

For a change...

yeh, it was the lack of excitement that kept me from the thread. i did glance at the first few pages, but no furthur. i must say i was shocked at how neat it actually looks, even if it is CGI.
the trailer had some good gags in it and the rest of the audience was cracking up, so that i think will be the main drawcard.
it will be interesting to see how long it is before we even get it. i reckon it wont be till early next year. either way, im looking forward to it. im just glad theres a 3d cinema closer... its an hour away, whereas when the toy story double feature came out, the nearest was 3hrs away, which is a long way for a movie.

This is why I hate nerds:They only like what they were growning up with and won't try anything new.
As for the general audience,they expect the film to be enjoyable yet with a poigant moral.Seriously,I think Tangled is nothing different from the Disney Renassaince except that it it CGI.(Why I think this is because I'm a smart-ass).I have the whole thing figured out in my head.
In the beginning of the movie,there is a shortage of food or either a famine.The queen would not be able to have a child due to the lack of food.Somewhere in the country there is a witch with a garden of rampion.The king offers money to the witch,but the witch refuses the money.She wants the baby instead.(I know that you're thinking that the king can just kick her ass but she has supernatural powers so don't think about it).He refuses her request and just gives her money.The witch is pissed off so she kidnaps the baby.
Rapunzel is living with Gothel thinking that she really loves her.Gothel spoils her with toys,dresses,and other acccessories to make her feel at home.
As Rapunzel mind expands,she paints on the walls.Though she has everything necessary for living,she still wants to see other people and discover new things.
Then the mega-douchebag Flynn enters her life...........
There is just so much to write.

[blackcauldron85]

Did you see the movie already?!? (If you posted already that you did, my memory is awful...) Also, I personally don't mind, but you may want a "minor spoilers" alert in your post, Candy...

[Candy-Bonita95]

Did you see the movie already?!? (If you posted already that you did, my memory is awful...) Also, I personally don't mind, but you may want a "minor spoilers" alert in your post, Candy...

No,I did not see the movie. That was just what I imagine the plot to be like. I can't believe you thought that was official.It's not that you're an idiot;it's just that I didn't know my synophis was that convincing.

[mawnck]

Did you see the movie already?!? (If you posted already that you did, my memory is awful...) Also, I personally don't mind, but you may want a "minor spoilers" alert in your post, Candy...

No,I did not see the movie. That was just what I imagine the plot to be like. I can't believe you thought that was official.It's not that you're an idiot;it's just that I didn't know my synophis was that convincing.

They did a test screening of Tangled back in May. I expect they thought you'd been there.

Don't worry folks, it's nothin' like that. The witch's garden doesn't grow rampion.

[blackcauldron85]

Oh. Haha, I'm very gullible.