Once Upon a Time (ABC TV Series)

[bradhig]

Nooooo I didn't want Robin to die. I don't want Regina to wipe people's memories again. The series may have lost me.

[Disney Duster]

Like some of you, I am so happy over what they did with Regina and Zelena in this episode.

I was thinking Hook would come back...then when Emma was at his grave and he didn't come back, I thought, "Oh, I was wrong. Are they going to kill all her love interests?!", then he did come back and I was like "Oh. Yay."

I hate Belle's father, too. He's such a dick father.

Like some of you, I thought Zeus would look big and powerful and at least look older than Hades...and he wasn't, and I think he should have been, but he was handsome at least.

I have a problem with anyone having the power to make people not exist. Only God can do that. You either go to purgatory, hell or heaven when someone kills you. I thought this show would try to include all religions somehow, and I guess in a sense God could still bring people back if he wanted, and I know that this probably means the creators of this show are athesits or agnostics or simply don't care because this is fiction, but, well, I'm voicing that I had a problem with it. Just stating my opinion.

[Sotiris]

The episode was so-so to me. Overall, the second part of the season was a letdown compared to the first.

I liked that they finally redeemed Zelena with her sacrificing her love to save her sister and the heartbreak that ensued for both of them was admittedly touching.

While I would have preferred Hades to have been redeemed for Zelena's sake, I didn't really mind him being gone. We only knew the character for half a season and he was pretty one-dimensional. The actor's hammy performance didn't help either. I'm sure it'll be easy to find Zelena a new love interest if they choose to go down this path again.

I was frustrated with Robin's untimely demise. I don't understand why people disliked him so much. Sure, his character was underdeveloped and his sole purpose was to serve as a love interest for Regina but the same can be said for all the male leads on the show (Graham, Neal, Hook, Charming). Personally, I find Hook much more obnoxious that Robin ever was. Especially, since that after he and Emma got together, their cringe-worthy relationship has taken over the show.

I just find it incredibly unfair the show has no problem redeeming murderers willy-nilly but then punish a good person like Robin with the worst fate imaginable. How is Regina supposed to get closure knowing that Robin will never get to find peace or move on to a better place? How is she supposed to keep believing in (romantic) love and have faith in getting a happy ending when both of the men she cared about died tragically? What they've done to both Robin and Regina was cruel and unnecessary.

Even the actor portraying Robin was shocked by the development. He was surprisingly candid about his feelings regarding his character's fate in interviews. It looks like the showrunners screwed him over for no apparent reason.

[Sotiris]

At least little pistachio finally has a name: Robin. I cringed at first, but it's probably for the best.

Every baby in Storybrooke gets named after a dead character. It's the circle of life.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Regina goes a very different direction than the usual anger or tears. After having this happen to her twice, having been evil, then good... It would be very believable if they wrote the character as suicidal at this point.

It would be really interesting to see Regina battling depression but I doubt the writers have the guts to go through with such an idea.

I wonder how Regina will feel towards Emma though. She might indirectly blame her because it was Emma's quest to save Hook that led to Hades entering their realm. Also I'm not sure how well she will take it when she finds out Hook is back, but her own love will forever be nonexistent.

First, Snow indirectly causes her to lose her first love, and then her daughter, her second one. Even if Regina doesn't turn evil again, it would be understandable to show her as a little resentful of Emma and her happiness and having to struggle to get past that.

[Disney's Divinity]

I'm sure it'll be easy to find Zelena a new love interest if they choose to go down this path again.

Finding a love interest will be easy, but it's unlikely they'll create another romance I would be invested in going by the others on this show. I'm expecting Zelena to be relegated to snappy one-liners again while Regina collapses.

[JeanGreyForever]

At least little pistachio finally has a name: Robin. I cringed at first, but it's probably for the best.

Every baby in Storybrooke gets named after a dead character. It's the circle of life.

I wonder how Regina will feel towards Emma though. She might indirectly blame her because it was Emma's quest to save Hook that led to Hades entering their realm. Also I'm not sure how well she will take it when she finds out Hook is back, but her own love will forever be nonexistent.

First, Snow indirectly causes her to lose her first love, and then her daughter, her second one. Even if Regina doesn't turn evil again, it would be understandable to show her as a little resentful of Emma and her happiness and having to struggle to get past that.

Watch Belle name her child Gaston. Or Colette after her mother.

Also Emma was the one who brought back "Marian" to life in the first place. Who turned out to be Zelena which led to the current chain of events with Hades.

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't really keep up with the various names that couples on this show have, but somehow I thought the couple name for Hades and Zelena was Wicked Devil. But I was just reading some Hades/Zelena fanfiction ( ), and saw that it's Hella Wicked.

I'm going to see if there's any fanart on DeviantArt now.

[Disney Duster]

I agree with Sotiris about Robin and his actor and how he had to suffer a fate worse than death! Well, actually the River of Souls is probably worse than death. No longer existing at least means no pain. But I wonder if Robin will be revived later on...I wish by God but probably not lol.

I also forgot to say I think that Arthur ruling the Underworld is stupid. I think a deity should rule it. He is mortal, from Earth, he died, he should move on. Whatever. I feel bad for Pan and Cruella being there. Looks like there's no people I think should have to go to Hell unless...I dunno, they tried to kill God, but even then, I think no one should suffer such pain. Maybe because I've been bad in the past? Even still today...

[Disney's Divinity]

Mass cancellations for ABC shows today. I was kind of hoping Nashville would survive even though I don't watch it, to increase OUAT's likelihood of lasting longer. I think a season 7 will definitely happen, but much longer than that is probably unlikely unless the ratings stay perfectly steady from here on out which is also unlikely going by the steady erosion from year to year...

On the bright side, I never would've though when OUAT started that it could end up going nearly as long as Desperate Housewives.

[JeanGreyForever]

Mass cancellations for ABC shows today. I was kind of hoping Nashville would survive even though I don't watch it, to increase OUAT's likelihood of lasting longer. I think a season 7 will definitely happen, but much longer than that is probably unlikely unless the ratings stay perfectly steady from here on out which is also unlikely going by the steady erosion from year to year...

On the bright side, I never would've though when OUAT started that it could end up going nearly as long as Desperate Housewives.

Nashville has never really been a great show even from the beginning and it's always barely been renewed so I'm not surprised at the cancellation. Hopefully Hayden and Connie will be able to find better shows that are more fitting for their talent.

OUAT will probably get season 7, but I agree that I'm not sure it will be able to last much longer than that. This will sound awful, but with Robin dead, I'm more open to seeing this series last longer than I was at the start of this season. I am curious to see what other storylines the writers can come up with. I'm still gunning for Aladdin and Jasmine to show up since they're really the only major fairy tale characters who haven't been adapted. Would love to see Hunchback as well.

[Disney's Divinity]

If I had to pick what they do for the next two (probably final) seasons (beware a couple spoilers):

6A – Jekyll/Hyde (since this slot is already taken) with Hunchback cameo/one-episode plot somehow. Sherlock Holmes somewhere in here? Dr. Whale returns? Somehow I could picture werewolves and vampires/Dracula being alongside the rest of this.
6B – The real Goddess Ursula/Cameos by Ariel and Poseidon. We finally meet Triton. Involve Davy Jones somehow? Maybe Ursula has his heart and he does her bidding, and somehow Hook is wrapped up in service. Appearances of monsters like Charybdis, etc. One-episode of Treasure Island/Jim Hawkins. Possibly involve Moana somehow if it the film does well?
7A – Aladdin & Jasmine + Genie/Jafar (maybe as Lily’s father to resolve that plot?)/Ana & Will show up, too, to make his appearance last season gel with the ending of OUATiW somehow + a one-episode Cinderella cameo/story with Ana being one of the stepsisters. Sidney Glass returns (since he was a Genie)?
7B – They finally kick Rumpel’s ass. The ladies who raised him are revealed to be the Fates. Possibly other gods could show up like Athena or Hermes? Who knows, other mythological figures (not just Greek) could work. Maybe the banished Black Fairy that the Blue Fairy talked about back in the Pan arc as a B plot related to Rumpel somehow, and that Tinker Bell or Glinda/Zelena figure in? Nova and Grumpy finally get together, dammit! Somehow Hades comes back and Zelena/Hades ride off into the sunset....

I'm not sure what else they could do right now. Morgana le Fay is the only thing they possibly could wring a whole arc out of, but somehow I doubt they'd go back to Camelot stuff. I can't see Mulan filling a whole arc by herself? But they could involve her, Shang, and Shan-Yu in one of the other arcs. SPOILER The Dragon looks to be reappearing next week, so she's likely to get more time. SPOILER The only other thing I'd want to see is the White Witch and/or Narnia, but I don't think they have the rights to do that. They could make something out of TP&TF's Shadow Man, but I don't think that film was popular enough to encourage them to do more than a one-off ep. The Chronicles of Prydain movies are way too far off to see if they'd be popular enough to use. I hope they don't waste time on something like The Jungle Book or The Lion King, for heaven's sake. I could see a one-ep kind of deal for something Tarzan-related though.

I keep editing as I think of things.

[Disney's Divinity]

Season 5 will be released to Blu-Ray and DVD on August 16th. The cover.

I wish Dark Swan could be the slipcover and the picture of Hook could be the cover underneath. It's gorgeous. Looks much better than S3 and S4 covers (which was a shame considering they had great art they could've used instead). I don't understand the obsession with apples though. I still haven't got seasons 3-4, but season 3's Blu-Ray set is finally below $30 on Amazon (which is tempting). I wish it would come down to at least $24-25.

[JeanGreyForever]

If I had to pick what they do for the next two (probably final) seasons (beware a couple spoilers):

6A – Jekyll/Hyde (since this slot is already taken) with Hunchback cameo/one-episode plot somehow. Sherlock Holmes somewhere in here? Dr. Whale returns? Somehow I could picture werewolves and vampires/Dracula being alongside the rest of this.
6B – The real Goddess Ursula/Cameos by Ariel and Poseidon. We finally meet Triton. Involve Davy Jones somehow? Maybe Ursula has his heart and he does her bidding, and somehow Hook is wrapped up in service. Appearances of monsters like Charybdis, etc. One-episode of Treasure Island/Jim Hawkins. Possibly involve Moana somehow if it the film does well?
7A – Aladdin & Jasmine + Genie/Jafar (maybe as Lily’s father to resolve that plot?)/Ana & Will show up, too, to make his appearance last season gel with the ending of OUATiW somehow + a one-episode Cinderella cameo/story with Ana being one of the stepsisters. Sidney Glass returns (since he was a Genie)?
7B – They finally kick Rumpel’s ass. The ladies who raised him are revealed to be the Fates. Possibly other gods could show up like Athena or Hermes? Who knows, other mythological figures (not just Greek) could work. Maybe the banished Black Fairy that the Blue Fairy talked about back in the Pan arc as a B plot related to Rumpel somehow, and that Tinker Bell or Glinda/Zelena figure in? Nova and Grumpy finally get together, dammit! Somehow Hades comes back and Zelena/Hades ride off into the sunset....

I'm not sure what else they could do right now. Morgana le Fay is the only thing they possibly could wring a whole arc out of, but somehow I doubt they'd go back to Camelot stuff. I can't see Mulan filling a whole arc by herself? But they could involve her, Shang, and Shan-Yu in one of the other arcs. SPOILER The Dragon looks to be reappearing next week, so she's likely to get more time. SPOILER The only other thing I'd want to see is the White Witch and/or Narnia, but I don't think they have the rights to do that. They could make something out of TP&TF's Shadow Man, but I don't think that film was popular enough to encourage them to do more than a one-off ep. The Chronicles of Prydain movies are way too far off to see if they'd be popular enough to use. I hope they don't waste time on something like The Jungle Book or The Lion King, for heaven's sake. I could see a one-ep kind of deal for something Tarzan-related though.

I keep editing as I think of things.

I would love to see the Wonderland characters again, especially a resolution to Will and Anastasia's story. I never understood if the Will we saw in Storybrooke was before the events of Wonderland or after. Seemed like before, because we know he lived in Storybrooke, but with this show, you can never be too sure. Honestly, I'm not sure why they brought him into the 4th season anyway because he had no role besides getting beat up by Hook and serving as a love interest for Belle even though the two had like barely any scenes together.

I think Tarzan would be a great choice although I wonder which world he would be from...maybe one that merges him with The Jungle Book because I wouldn't put it past OUAT to try and capitalize on that.

I'm hoping before the show ends, the goddess Ursula becomes the big bad. As you said, this could bring in Davy Jones, more Ariel, and even Moana. Maybe they'll merge Ursula with the big bad of Moana. Jim Hawkins and sea monsters would be great as well. I'd love to see more Olympian deities, because they always sprinkled Greek myths into this show, but I wouldn't mind if Ursula was part of another pantheon or just a lone goddess. Norse figures like Brunhilde and Siegfried would interest me as well as their love story would work well in the format of this show.

For Mulan, I just hope they find her a love interest because it would be a shame that a character who has been searching for love the entire show still hasn't found it. I know a lot of people ship her and Merida together now that Ruby is with Dorothy. Shang would also work if they wanted to introduce him. Mulan mentioned being part of the Emperor's army so I would like to see a section of the Enchanted Forest based on China with the Emperor's kingdom and maybe more Chinese folklore like the Yaoguai which Phillip was transformed into.

[Disney's Divinity]

Just wanted to say, hope everyone who watches remember the show starts an hour earlier than usual tonight.

You know, the reason they could have Ursula (or any other "gods") targeting the group now is because they killed Hades. Yeah, I'm sure Zeus is glad to see the back of him, but killing a god should anger another god/demigod/monster, or two, considering they're all related. Even if they all hated Hades, some would naturally see it as a serious crime/disrespect/threat, and that the group should be wiped out before they think to take on any other gods. (Which, let's be honest, Rumpel would be very likely to do.)

Actually, the exploration of mythology always made sense to me, considering the family trees of most of these mythological figures is just as screwed up as Emma, Regina, Henry, and so on. Plus, the whole focus on being "heroes."

[Disney's Divinity]

FINALE SPOILERS

I loved the finale for the most part. Probably my favorite finale since season 1’s finale, actually, since I thought S2 and S4’s finales were uninteresting and S3 was just okay (as a Hook/Emma episode). I’m not excited by what next season’s storyline looks like it will be (Regina versus Hyde and The Evil Queen), but I felt the same about Dark Swan and I ended up enjoying this season the whole way through. I just really hope they don't split all the characters into two (like Snow and Mary Margaret, or David and Charming, Gold and Rumpel, etc.); I would hate that.

I loved Regina’s dialogue in Baelfire’s apartment. I was fine with the fact that her “Evil Queen” side was made physically separate, only because I’ve always thought her mind snapped after the flashback events in “The Stable Boy” way back when. I can believe that the Evil Queen was almost like an alternate personality that took over because she was traumatized and that was her way of dealing with reality.

I’m glad we’ll be in Storybrooke with Hyde at least, and not the Land of Untold Stories or whatever it was. It sounds like “Untold Stories” taking over Storybrooke will be a way for them to use characters they couldn’t use otherwise (like Hunchback, Tarzan, etc. which we were talking about before). Maybe they’ll even do something similar to the first season, where the town is full of people whose stories we learn about episode to episode.

EDIT: A few things I forgot to say, like Henry is stupid, Hyde is hot hot hot, the Connecticut Yankee in Arthur's Court reference was cute, I was glad to see Snow back to her old self and wiping the floor with Hyde, and I wonder where Rumpel disappeared to...

[Disney Duster]

Best line ever: "Perhaps next time try and aggresive bunny rabbit."

Hyde was indeed hot. I liked the finale but I did have problems with the whole "Regina getting rid of her evil self" idea. All people are both evil and good, they just choose one. It's always in you and you can't make yourself good forever by destroying a part of you! But what Divinity said does make me accept it a bit more...

Why was Henry stupid? Because of trying to destroy magic? I would agree there. And I thought needing more people to believe in magic, let alone the world to believe in magic, was a stupid idea on the writers' part, but whatever.

I didn't remember when Snow "wiped the floor with Hyde", accept I guess by that taser? That was cool. And I don't remember Rumplestiltskin disappearing. I'm sure he's somewhere in Storybrooke and we he doesn't want to be found yet.

My favorite finale was the first one followed by the one where Hook and Emma save Snow and Charming's relationship, followed by when Emma chooses to keep Henry when he's born. My favorite moment of the show is probably when Regina first learns Snow told her secret, and she snaps. That was amazing acting there.

[JeanGreyForever]

I liked the finale as well although it wasn't a major favorite of mine but to be fair, OUAT finales have never really been that good. The best was the 1st season and then my next favorite is the 3rd season finale where Emma and Hook travel back in time, which seems to be a popular consensus here.

I've always had a love-hate relationship with Regina. I loved her as the Evil Queen, and although I wanted to root for good Regina, she's done so many evil, for lack of a better word, things throughout this show and murdered countless innocents. This separation of good and evil Regina make me feel better about supporting good Regina and now I can still see evil Regina on-screen so I'm happy about that.

I did appreciate Regina's honesty with Emma though. I think this is the first time we've ever actually seen her own feelings on her reformation, besides just wanting to be good for Henry and the chance for a happy ending. I wish Snow or Emma had pointed out to Regina that it's the heroes who suffer the most.

I'm not sure how I feel about Hyde as the new villain. He's physically imposing but also our first major villain without magic so I'm wondering how he'll be a major threat in this show. The Land of Stories storyline is intriguing though. I agree that I hope it returns to the format of season 1 where every episode focuses on smaller stories that wouldn't work well in big arcs. The storybook Henry opens (OUAT Vol. 2) had pages with references to Captain Nemo and even an illustration that I think was supposed to be Don Quixote. Hope to see Hunchback, Tarzan, and even Dracula coming on the show then. It's a good way for the writers to go all out and include characters they wouldn't normally.

I'm curious as to where Rumple has gone. I wonder if it is a pre-existing land or a new one we haven't seen like Narnia (if they have the rights). Hopefully the showrunners will include some hints or an outright confirmation on the land where Rumple is to bide us until the next season starts.

I think Henry had good intentions since he has a point that magic is what causes all their problems so I don't judge him too harshly for trying to rid the world of magic. The fountain scene was too contrived for me when he was telling everyone to believe in magic and make a wish. It's New York, so I can't imagine that people were so easily won over by his ridiculous speech.

Also I'm glad that it seems that Zelena is part of the gang now. I was afraid the show might still write her out but I guess she's too connected to Regina now for them to remove her from the picture. Even if she's not going to be in a major role (like David), at least we can get her one-liners.

[unprincess]

Im loving Sam Witwer's Hyde so far, I just hope he doesnt end up a disappointment like Hades was.

So the land of untold stories... at first I thought it was supposed to be the B&W land where Whale was from, and I think they would have still used it for this new season if it wasnt for the fact that 1) theyd have to film all the LOUS scenes in b&W which theyd probably feel would turn off some audiences 2) they want to go beyond horror monsters so they can include sci-fi like Jules Verne and Sherlock Holmes, etc...


And why is it called the Land of Untold Stories? why exactly are they untold? I hope they explain that.

How come the Evil Queen showed up again at the end. I thought Regina killed her?

The fountain scene was too contrived for me when he was telling everyone to believe in magic and make a wish. It's New York, so I can't imagine that people were so easily won over by his ridiculous speech.

that was ridic as hell! NYers would have probably ignored him or heckled at him.

[TheSequelOfDisney]

I think my favorite line in the finale was when Zelena said she was fine with running away after Hyde showed up; Mader was on-point with the line delivery. And, did anyone else notice the not-so-subtle hint of a Swan/Hook wedding?

The show has generally been a cliched, hot mess, but it's still pretty entertaining. While Dark Swan left me bored, the second half--while uneven in its storytelling--(re)introduced some interesting characters.

[Disney's Divinity]

^I thought for sure Emma was going to propose at the end, but nope. Can it just happen already?

Also I'm glad that it seems that Zelena is part of the gang now. I was afraid the show might still write her out but I guess she's too connected to Regina now for them to remove her from the picture. Even if she's not going to be in a major role (like David), at least we can get her one-liners.

Tbh, the finale made me feel Zelena's going to be pushed into the background with the Charmings, and maybe killed off at some point as a "shock" death in future. I hope she makes it to the end of the series though.

The only picture I could recognize right off was the Don Quixote picture. Some people said they saw 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I'm not sure I'd really be interested in this stuff (or Hunchback, Tarzan, Dracula either--although this would be a good arc to fit them in). Not jumping ship at all, but my interest won't really pick up until 6B, I'm guessing.

re: Henry--He just does stupid shit like this that impacts everyone all the time. It reminded me of when he tried to blow up the Wishing Well despite the fact it would trap Emma and Snow in The Enchanted Forest with Cora. Dipshit. And the actor is atrocious. He needs to be off-screen 24/7.

I've decided to go ahead and buy S3 Blu-Ray while it's $28. I haven't seen S3 in forever and it's still my favorite after the first one (with 5 coming next).