Sleeping Beauty Discussion

[Disney Duster]

Rumpelstiltskin, that whole biography information sounds like it quotes and facts spun with opinion to form it's own idea of what Walt Disney wanted.

Walt also said things like he didn't make any movies just for children and he believed adults were just children grown up.

There's plenty of singing in Pinocchio when no real orchestra is happening, like "Hi-Diddle-Dee-Dee" and the main theme "When You Wish Upon a Star". And when Pinocchio sings it's nothing that couldn't happen in real life?! He's a puppet come to life thrugh a magic wishing star! What attracted Disney to the films he did was that what was in them couldn't happen in real life.

It does not make any sense for Disney to have continued doing animated films since Bambi if he didn't like them and what was in the films. He only started thinking too much about Disneyland later, after Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, and Peter Pan. Cinderella turned out to be one of his favorite films with his favorite piece of animation and some people say it even was his favorite.

I am curious to know how Walt would have made all his films if he didn't care what audiences wanted, though, I do admit they would all have been different in at least some ways. For instance he wanted Cinderella to have another transformation at the end like his favorite piece of animation, but he knew audiences would rather quickly like to get to the happy ending. But even Bambi has so much that's cutesy and the twitter-patted scenes. Even Pinocchio says if you make a wish it will come true. Walt liked things like that (well, I hope he didn't like the twitter-patted part that much, I mean, that part is hard to stomach, the only thing that bothers me in the film).

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I know what Gabler was trying to do in his book (it was not about what Walt wanted, but what kind of a person he was). That's why I ignore his personal conclusions and focus instead on the information he use as support.

I had forgotten about the dancing after Pinocchio became alive (the When You Wish Upon a Star-part is more like a gradual return to the fifth wall, as it was in the beginning of the movie, if my memory is correct. It's been a while since I saw it), but it's still less of a musical than Snow White. And Bambi is even less.

The old argument that just because something impossible becomes possible in a movie, everything else that is impossible should be allowed as well, has been used a lot over the years. I see nothing wrong in making a movie with certain impossible elements, but other than that, trying to make the rest of it as realistic, or at least credible, as possible.
Neither did I say that musical numbers shouldn't be allowed in Pinocchio. I was referring to a gradual decline in musical elements in Disney's first and most ambitious features.

And please don't make your own interpretation of what it is I'm writing. I have never said he didn't like the other features he made. But he had to compromise a lot, which restricted him and didn't allow him to fulfill his real ambitions all the way. With the first movies, he had a lot more ressources available, and was pretty much free to do whatever he wanted, even if the studio still went through a learning process.

The claim that "some people say..." definitely need some documentation.
Anyway, it seems to me like you are behaving like my posts are personal attacks, which is very far from the real world. Neither have I said Walt didn't care about the audience. It is fully possible to make the kind of movies you want to see yourself, and at the same time make sure you don't forget the audience.

[Goliath]

Anyway, it seems to me like you are behaving like my posts are personal attacks, which is very far from the real world.

When you're critical of some aspects of Disney's work, you offend Walt.
If you offend Walt, you offend Disney Duster.
And if you offend Disney Duster, Tinkerbell's light goes out and she dies.

[Super Aurora]

Anyway, it seems to me like you are behaving like my posts are personal attacks, which is very far from the real world.

When you're critical of some aspects of Disney's work, you offend Walt.
If you offend Walt, you offend Disney Duster.
And if you offend Disney Duster, Tinkerbell's light goes out and she dies.

That applies to a lot of people here.

[Disney Duster]

Rumpelstiltskin, your explanation has made it all good with me now. Thanks. I don't know for sure if Walt held back or wanted to do other things with certain films of his, but if he did, I wish I could see them as he more wanted them to be.

[Jay]

I always wondered why Maleficent didn't put some sort of mark on Aroura so that she knew where she was at all times. Then she wouldn't have to worry about her stupid troll guards and would know where Aroura was even if she was hidden.

I also love the fact that Flora is obsessed with pink but wheres red. She put Merryweather in pink when she changes them into their peasant garb and wants Aroura's dress to be pink but she wears red. Pretty fun haha. I also always wanted Fauna to at the end step in and turn Aroura's gown green and make is permanent and say sweetly "Well dears it was the only way to stop all of this silliness." and then gaze off in to space haha.

[Disney Duster]

Maleficent did not think the fairies would actually find a way to hide Aurora for so long. She may have been able to find them if they used magic, she was so powerful she could have found them almost any way, but instead, they raised Aurora as humans, out of love, and Maleficent could never foresee that.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if she can only detect magic, and she only knew about the baby's christening because they magically arrived and bestowed gifts. Eh, maybe, maybe not.

I already discussed how pink is just another, lighter shade of red.

The pink and blue are prettier, girlier colors for Aurora. I think pink represents Aurora's rosy, blooming nature when alive and awake and the blue her passiveness and sleep/death. Pink and blue evoke more dreamy feelings, and those colors are also in the clouds that they dance on in a dream-like, heaven-like happily ever after. Green is more earth-bound and less attractive (in my opinion).

I do however like your idea if it weren't for those things. I would have liked to see it be green by her at least once in the film.

[avonleastories95]

This was definitely my favorite Disney movie when I was 3. While it may not be the best one I own (Oh, the Sleeping Beauty mob will get me for this!), it is definitely the one I have the fondest memories of. It might have been the first Disney Animated Classic I owned on VHS (which I stupidly gave away when I was 10, but I now have it back, with a cover!) and I remember that I was too scared of Maleficent to watch until the end (the same for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, I could only watch it until the Queen turns herself into the Witch). I remember acting out this movie, perferably casting myself as Aurora (she was even my first cartoon crush ), with even a blanket for Aurora's scarf (my poor mother must have thought I was a scream!). Now, as a 15 year old, I can't say I like it as I did then, but I really love the artwork and backgrounds for this particular Disney feature, I personally love the song "Once Upon A Dream," and the "Scumps!"

[Lazario]

This was definitely my favorite Disney movie when I was 3.

it is definitely the one I have the fondest memories of.

and I remember that I was too scared of Maleficent to watch until the end

Maleficent used to scare me too.

Especially this scene... :

Of her disembodied head. And Eleanor Audley's chilling, terrifying reading of every line that comes out of her mouth. She really looks like a monster in this shot. Like she could do anything.

[Khonnor]

This is and (probably) will always be my favorite Disney movie.

Hell, it's even in my top 6 favorite movies all time...

(the rest of the top 6 is all over the place, like my personality

6. The Faculty
5. Red Sonja
4. Sliver
3. Sleeping Beauty
2. Hellbound: Hellraiser II
1. Jurassic Park)

[Scarred4life]

I also always wanted Fauna to at the end step in and turn Aroura's gown green and make is permanent and say sweetly "Well dears it was the only way to stop all of this silliness." and then gaze off in to space haha.

When the book closes on Aurora and Philip, I always wanted her dress to randomly turn green at the very last second.

Maleficent used to scare me too. Especially this scene... :

What always scared me the most was when Maleficent showed Philip and his horse riding off, a hundred years later. As a child, that scene chilled me more than any other in the whole movie. More than any scene in any Disney movie.

[Goliath]

What always scared me the most was when Maleficent showed Philip and his horse riding off, a hundred years later. As a child, that scene chilled me more than any other in the whole movie. More than any scene in any Disney movie.

Did I miss something on all my viewings of this film?

I admit I almost fall asleep halfway through it everytime I watch it (I watch it mainly for the animation and the music), so maybe I slept through it?

[Super Aurora]

What always scared me the most was when Maleficent showed Philip and his horse riding off, a hundred years later. As a child, that scene chilled me more than any other in the whole movie. More than any scene in any Disney movie.

Did I miss something on all my viewings of this film?

I admit I almost fall asleep halfway through it everytime I watch it (I watch it mainly for the animation and the music), so maybe I slept through it?

It was when Malificant was telling Prince Phillip of her "plans" when she went to greet him in the dungeon. She was telling him of how Aurora was actually the peasant maid he met and that she now in deep sleep, and will let Phillip free in a 100 yrs just so she can get a kick out of Aurora's reaction to her prince actually a really old dude.

[Goliath]

But did she *show* him that, like in a vision or something, like Scarred4life said?

[Margos]

But did she *show* him that, like in a vision or something, like Scarred4life said?

Yeah, from behind.

[Lazario]

But did she *show* him that, like in a vision or something, like Scarred4life said?

[Goliath]

Damn! I must learn to stay AWAKE during this film!

[Lazario]

There's no such thing as a movie that puts people to sleep, G.

[Goliath]

There's no such thing as a movie that puts people to sleep, G.

I can name plenty. (But not here.)

[King Louis 2010]

I consider Sleeping Beauty to be Disney's masterpiece and probably the most glorious evocation of a fairy tale ever done on film. Visually it's extroadinary, with countless frames worthy of art galleries. Sometimes I just pause the DVD just to look at certain frames! I'm especially talking about the sequences in the woods around a quarter or so of the way through. The script find a perfect balance between fairy tale romance and humour [though they seem to be seperated more than usual in this film] and of course it adds things to the actual story but they all work in my opinion and I think what is more important is that it FEELS authentic even if it maybe isn't. Refreshingly Prince Philip is actually a man of action and almost literally goes through hell to win his love. Maleficent is wonderful and the fairies are terrific [though I used to really dislike them, I've seen sense since!]. The film is leisurely paced but I love it that way and the extended climax is simply astonishing, the best climax of all Disney films in my opinion. I also love the Tchaikovsky-adapted score, it's incredible how they adapted music from a ballet and turned it into a coherent film score. One of the great film scores actually.

A amazingly beautiful work or piece of art and one of the true great movies in my opinion.