PatchofBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:07 am
I can't speak for everyone, but the people I know who belong to historically marginalized racial groups aren't any more or less likely to have strong feelings against the movie. I'll take you at your word, but I might add that I just don't see that sentiment echoed at all among people I know. I see that kind of thing a little more on spaces like Twitter/X, but that's always been kind of its own space ...
I'm also not sure how tailored the movie is to make white people feel good about themselves. I'd actually argue the opposite. Judy has always felt like a deconstruction/rebuttal of the "white savior" figure that tended to emerge in these kinds of stories until very recently. She starts the film believing that she is in the right because she demonstrates a very entry-level form of allyship, one that mostly sets her above people who aren't as righteous as her. "I just can't believe there are still people with such backwards attitudes about foxes!"
But a big part of her arc is reckoning with the fact that she has absorbed latent prejudice against the people she thought she was helping. Moreover, she goes to great lengths to make proper restitutions--apologizing to Nick, and fighting to pull the curtain back behind the machinations that were punishing the offended group. There is also an expectation for continued progression, that these are thing she will have to continue to work on. These are not things that your basic white person wants to do, which is where the strength of the film really reveals itself.
I think we all lose when we stop trying to look for room for improvement with these things, but I also feel like they were deliberate with their phrasing, and the machinery of it all checks out.
I think it comes down to the inner circles you have. And people forget that everyone who posts on social media may seem more amplified in terms of their voices, but they're not fake voices. They're not robots or AI people posting so these people do exist out there, just maybe not in your circles. That's the nice part of social media that you can see other views you wouldn't normally see since most people will live in groups where everyone has similar views as you.
Imo the best deconstruction of the white savior trope is just not to have one. So Judy is a failure in that sense. It reminds me of that Leo movie, Killers of the Flower Moon, which tried to break out of the white savior formula but still ended up centering on a white male protagonist and so it still got criticism. Either stop centering the film on a white savior character or don't bother making small strides that amount to nothing in the long run. Killers of the Flower Moon hurt its legacy in the long run by pretending to have better native representation than it did.
Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:08 am
Yep many people hate that zootopia is about reverse racism and copaganda
I didn't realize how evil cops were back then so that part didn't phase me until recently. My friends from around the world told me they boycott police movies because the police are such a corrupt and dangerous institution in basically every country so that opened my eyes. Hence why I said I would not support such a movie or anything that glorifies cops. I think Disney does a lot of propaganda for the police and corrupt government institutions like the FBI. For example, hearing that the live-action Mulan's motto was the same as the FBI motto as part of American propaganda. I can't think of any country in the world with as much propaganda as America. To even push it in a Chinese film, it's no wonder China promptly rejected that film! The Chinese are very astute. They will not be easily fooled.
The Chinese rejected the movie because it was very bad, simple as that, maybe the propaganda was hated but the movie itself was bad to begin with
They made a movie that would only appeal to China and Wuxia movie fans only, but ended up being hated by those two groups and also (obviously) by the West since the movie didn't had any appeal for us
Also the entire behind the scenes team didn't had any Chinese member in an important role, not even one
Lavendergolden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:43 pm
I didn't realize how evil cops were back then so that part didn't phase me until recently. My friends from around the world told me they boycott police movies because the police are such a corrupt and dangerous institution in basically every country so that opened my eyes. Hence why I said I would not support such a movie or anything that glorifies cops. I think Disney does a lot of propaganda for the police and corrupt government institutions like the FBI. For example, hearing that the live-action Mulan's motto was the same as the FBI motto as part of American propaganda. I can't think of any country in the world with as much propaganda as America. To even push it in a Chinese film, it's no wonder China promptly rejected that film! The Chinese are very astute. They will not be easily fooled.
The Chinese rejected the movie because it was very bad, simple as that, maybe the propaganda was hated but the movie itself was bad to begin with
They made a movie that would only appeal to China and Wuxia movie fans only, but ended up being hated by those two groups and also (obviously) by the West since the movie didn't had any appeal for us
Also the entire behind the scenes team didn't had any Chinese member in an important role, not even one
I heard that even when it came to research, the people who worked on the movie went to European museums to learn about Chinese history and culture lol. Absolutely ridiculous. Disney pretended this movie was geared towards Chinese audiences but they did this with absolutely no real Chinese people working on the crew. Not the director, writer, designers, etc. I'm glad China said no to yet another fortune cookie product of their culture. Disney has a really bad track record with them. I'm sure it irks Disney that Dreamworks had a home run with Kung Fu Panda which is adored in China. Although personally I am not a fan of those movies but I am not the target audience.
Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:34 pm
The Chinese rejected the movie because it was very bad, simple as that, maybe the propaganda was hated but the movie itself was bad to begin with
They made a movie that would only appeal to China and Wuxia movie fans only, but ended up being hated by those two groups and also (obviously) by the West since the movie didn't had any appeal for us
Also the entire behind the scenes team didn't had any Chinese member in an important role, not even one
I heard that even when it came to research, the people who worked on the movie went to European museums to learn about Chinese history and culture lol. Absolutely ridiculous. Disney pretended this movie was geared towards Chinese audiences but they did this with absolutely no real Chinese people working on the crew. Not the director, writer, designers, etc. I'm glad China said no to yet another fortune cookie product of their culture. Disney has a really bad track record with them. I'm sure it irks Disney that Dreamworks had a home run with Kung Fu Panda which is adored in China. Although personally I am not a fan of those movies but I am not the target audience.
Kung Fu Panda is adored in China because it's an animated movie, they dont have a good animation industry there
Also most countries easily accept Animated versions of their cultures over live action
Like Coco, if they made a live action version Mexico would 99% hate the movie
Quan called Gary “Zootopia’s first snake” and winked, “Like me, he is terrifying and villainous. … Gary kicks off the whole mystery when he turns up and panics the town.” Judy and Nick take on the case of tracking Gary down, but they are “going through a rough patch,” per Oscar winner Quan, and reluctantly are subjected to partners-counseling sessions with a “therapy animal” aka Dr Fuzzby (voiced by newly announced Quinta Brunson).
In the first clip shown, the group-therapy meeting has a number of curiously paired partners — think elephant and mouse — but Judy is in denial that she and Nick have any issues. “We have been partners for one week and we are not dysfunctional at all. … Us being here seems like a misunderstanding,” she says as she nervously thumps her foot. Dr. Fuzzby in turn notes the “disconnected affectation of her emotionally insecure partner.” In the second clip shown today, we see Judy and Nick set off to a swamp area where the snake has been sighted and where they meet with a beaver “who has her own way of communicating.”
In new footage that Disney premiered for “Zootopia 2” at CinemaCon, that’s sent them to partners therapy. It’s overseen by a quokka named Dr. Fuzzbee and filled with mismatched cops, such as an elephant who keeps getting terrified of the mouse who shares a squad car, or the deer who keeps fighting with a skunk. Disney also shared a scene where Hopps and Wilde go on holiday to a marsh resort, filled with hippos going down waterslides and a juggling seal — whoops, make that sea lion!
In a first look shown Thursday at CinemaCon, Judy and Nick have gone through a rough patch as police partners because of their species differences and go to Dr. Fuzzby under the orders of their boss, Chief Bogo. Among the other attendees is an elephant cop afraid of his mouse partner. Judy insists that they are not dysfunctional, but Fuzzby notices that she does not let Nick talk and taps her foot rapidly when she’s suppressing discomfort. They are set to go through the treatment, but are very disturbed when one pair goes through an exercise that ends with them trying to claw each other’s face off.
Goodwin really is the golden mean: she takes incredible pride in what it means to contribute to a Disney movie while also tipping her hat to the workforce of the animators.
Descrption of the upcoming trailer.
"The trailer opens with hamsters playing a piano. Judy, Nick, and a snake are on the run from various animal police across different environments-ocean, snow, mountains, desert. Judy blows a horn, leading to a wild costume party. The final scene shows them facing a mysterious, hooded figure with glowing eyes. A quick montage reveals returning characters like Mr. Big, Clawhauser, Gazelle, and more, ending with a moose burning in the logo and hamsters exiting."
It looks great! They didn't tell us much about the plot and I'm grateful for it. The designs look really nice and the new places that they are going to visit look very interesting. One of my favorite things from the first movie was the different biomes that they created and I'm really excited to discover the new ones (the one that looks like the alps looks really cute and peaceful)
