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dvdjunkie wrote:I am suddenly realizing that the majority of you are just "kids" here, and probably aren't old enough to vote and if you are old enough you are going with what is popular with your friends so you won't lose any after the election is over.
Yes, we're all just stupid kids. Yo yo, Obama's the shiznit yo!

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dvdjunkie wrote:I voted for Obama in 2008.
dvdjunkie wrote:I have been a registered Democrat all my life.
I find that incredibly hard to believe.
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dvdjunkie wrote:I am suddenly realizing that the majority of you are just "kids" here, and probably aren't old enough to vote
I like how you always bring up your old age as if just because your older than most of us, as if your opinion and knowledge of the issue and topic prevails over ours since you perceives us as "little kids" not knowing anything.

You do this all the time and it's fucking annoying and insulting to a certain degree.

As I said before, Obama not fantastic but of the two "evils", he much better choice atm than what Romney presenting. Romney seems to not have a fucking clue wtf he's doing. He been flip-flopping too much, doesn't seems to be in touch with the middle class which is a big issue because majority of Americans ARE middle class like you and I. He also seems to have poor foreign policy relations skills too. even republicans are doubting him and are losing confidence in him. If he wins, I can guarantee you that he'd probably make things even worse.

I think the main problem with Obama is that he's not taking the initiatives too much or making it stronger. He's too lax and gives in too much just in order to get things done, and sometimes they don't always even happen. The republicans are hell-bent on turning down every proposal and ideas of Obama's even, even ones that are actually helpful and beneficial for us. They're too focus on regaining republican power back and supporting only the rich, rather than helping the nation as a whole. Big corporate businesses are another big factor into this, especially banking which many even are the reason partly why we are even in an economic crisis to begin with. The corporations are holding too much power over politics, and for them who always chant of Laissez-faire, where government and corporation should not mingle with each other, they such are trying to use government to satisfy their own personal gains at the cost of others.

If you're hell bent on not voting Obama which is fine, then at the very least not vote at all. voting for Romney isn't going help the country either and you should realize that by now.
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Note to Super Aurora:

No one has shown me that you have a clear reason why you won't vote for the change that Romney/Ryan will bring. You DO all sound like a bunch of "little kids" and it scares me to think that you might be of voting age.

I was not going to say anything until after the Debates tonight. You didn't read my post, because I don't think you lost everything in your 401k like I did. I doubt that you have a job that even offers one. I don't think you are a homeowner or are buying the place where you live, and I for sure don't think that any of you are married or living with a significant other that depends on you for their support. That was probably the part you skipped over because it doesn't concern you.

I bring up the age thing because I have been there, you haven't, and I can tell a zebra by its stripes and know that the future of our youth (that's you) depends on who wins this election. We will all pay the price if ObamMao gets elected. I keep saying you should read the first three chapters of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" so you will be able to tell what has happened to our country if Obama gets re-elected.

Where do you get your negative information on Romney and Ryan anyway? Everything I have read about them has been taken out of context and when a person does that it makes your decisions look even sillier. Since you are afraid of the truth and won't listen to people like Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity and the like, and don't even try to read and compare notes with Fox News (which I do) I can't fight my side of this one-sided war.

Just do me the favor of reading my post top to bottom and if you live at home, ask your parents how are they are better off today than they were four years ago, I think you will be surprised at the answer. I won't be surprised if you come up with some excuse like - "My parents and I don't talk" or "I don't listen to my parents because I'm my own person" or things like that.

Don't be pressured by your peers to vote for who they are voting for. With this election as close as it is, we need people to vote using that space between their ears called a brain. You won't be a racist if you vote for Romney, you will be just stupid if you vote for ObamMao.
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dvdjunkie wrote:you are going with what is popular with your friends so you won't lose any after the election is over.
Or maybe I am afraid that if Romney get's elected, I will lose my healthcare certain family and friends of mine will lose all the rights (BASIC rights) they gained with obama, and i'm afraid of the fact that even more people will live in poverty because Romney needs to redistribute wealth to the rich. And because Romney thinks us lazy, middle class people aren't entitled a roof, or god forbid, FOOD. Why doesn't everyone just sell some stock that was given to them by their parents why times are bad? Oh right, that's just Mittens. Oops.

I'm offended that you would even say that we are just following the crowd. I am afraid that under Romney, anyone who isn't a wealthy, white, cis man is going to lose a ton of rights and freedoms.

And it is funny that you think these ridiculously right sided views are the obvious ones, and anyone who doesn't agree is just a stupid kid who is following the crowd. It's funny because, as i understand it, not many other places in the world have ideas like the GOP. It may be because those ideals are racist, cissexist, classist, and just don't work out for anyone except the white cis man. And I would bet that is what you happen to be.


I was at Disney for EPCOT's 30th anniversary, so I missed where you compared obama to hitler. I had a AMAZING time, by the way. Best Disney trip I've had, and I've had quite a few. And then I come back to this.
dvdjunkie wrote:Here's a great comparison:

One thing separates Obama from Hitler - Hitler got the Olympic games.
NO. I'm sorry, I don't care if you were kidding, trolling, or just wanted some shock value. No, you don't get to compare Obama (NOTE: a person who actually seems to care about people, as opposed to Mittens) to someone who killed 12 million people. You are making light of the systematic genocide of Jews, disabled people, gays, roma, and so many other groups to attempt to make villain out of obama. It is such a horrifying thing for you to say, I can't even imagine what brought you to say something like that. Please tell me the similarities between the two men, because I see none. I would never compare Romney to Hitler, because as bad as he is, I'm not going to take away from the millions who had their lives taken or ruined by the Nazi regime. You went way too far here, and it just shows me that you aren't worth arguing with on this topic if you can't even understand the atrocities that Hitler brought upon the world. Obama is trying to make things as fair as they can be while under capitalism. Hitler murdered over 12 million people. I don't see the similarity. And if it was a joke, I don't see the humor.
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dvdjunkie wrote: Everything I have read about them has been taken out of context and when a person does that it makes your decisions look even sillier.
So is most of the crap you pull from the most vitriolic anti-Obama commentators out there so you have most definitely gone way beyond "silly". Was Romney's 47% gaffe taken out of context, you know, when he was caught on camera saying that he didn't care about half of the American people because as far as he is concerned, they'll just vote for Obama because he'll allow them to live off hand-outs? Any credibility you had disappeared when you likened Obama to Hitler, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you say something as stupid as that? It defies belief that you have the nerve to say the rest of us sound like a bunch of little kids when you compare Obama to a dictator who was responsible for the slaughter of millions of innocent people; seriously, how do you think that makes you sound?
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Age Does not equal wisdom. I know, since I'm 25 years old, I've had 5 colonoscopies starting at age 9, multiple surgeries starting at when I was three weeks old for my Cleft Lip and Palate. Have Asperger Syndrome, had a plantar's wart on my foot so big. It was surgically removed and I had a short leg cast in 5th grade. Have met insane and crazy people beyond belief, and bizarre situations that seem more unreal that anyone can possibly even begin to fathom doctors. Teachers, friends, students/peers, pastors, and now I've been having severe back issues in my spine for 6 months. And it has strengthened me spiritually and all of my craziness and situations, I've learned and no doubt will continue to learn. Right now I can't even walk due to this pack pain, but I will never give up hope and because throughout my life lessons, I've learned a lot of things. The Medical term of SOB is Shortness of Breath. AMA means .You can leave against medical advice if you sign a paper. PRN Means so food and drink. Also I didn't look that stuff up online, I know it by heart.

So my point is, Age does not define wisdom, it the situations we encounter and if we are able to learn from them and apply them every single day. If one can do that, like a 5 year old does and just live life, then a 5 year old is smarter and wiser than a Harvard graduate.
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DisneyAnimation88 wrote: It defies belief that you have the nerve to say the rest of us sound like a bunch of little kids when you compare Obama to a dictator who was responsible for the slaughter of millions of innocent people; seriously, how do you think that makes you sound?
He sounds like a 5-year old. So maybe the "you're too young to understand" mantra he's chanting is projection? I wonder if he's mentally sound enough to vote? :lol:
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dvdjunkie wrote:Note to Super Aurora:

No one has shown me that you have a clear reason why you won't vote for the change that Romney/Ryan will bring. You DO all sound like a bunch of "little kids" and it scares me to think that you might be of voting age.
I think we HAVe shown clear reasons. You just refuse to listen to them and expect us to listen and follow to your's.

I'd say you are the one who sounds like an immature old man that shouldn't be taken seriously when you compared Obama to Hitler.

dvdjunkie wrote:You didn't read my post, because I don't think you lost everything in your 401k like I did. I doubt that you have a job that even offers one. I don't think you are a homeowner or are buying the place where you live, and I for sure don't think that any of you are married or living with a significant other that depends on you for their support. That was probably the part you skipped over because it doesn't concern you.
It's true hat I am still in college pursuing in an art degree and art field, is living with my parents at the moment, or not making 401K, only work for my father, or own a house or is married, that still doesn't take away any validations that of that I don't care for my country or read and focus on the news or politics. I read from all sorts of sources and put together what I think is rightful choice and path. Just because some don't have what you listed doesn't means their worth isn't important, and doesn't mean that we're ignorant, or that our future is bleak because we are "following the norm".

dvdjunkie wrote:I bring up the age thing because I have been there, you haven't,
So? You're also forgetting that times change too. What happen back when you were my age doesn't and probably would not apply currently in this century. So as the others said, age means shit in your debates because it doesn't holds anything either. Take Frankenollie for example. He's 14 or 15 yrs old and he seems to know more about the real world and facts of life way more than I ever did when I was his age. individuals grow at different rates.

dvdjunkie wrote:and I can a zebra by its stripes and know that the future of our youth (that's you) depends on who wins this election.
Oh really? Then explain why majority of the youth population statistically in this country are against Romeny than it is from Obama? Peer pressure? Conformity to what's the norm? BS. It's because we want what is at best for the country.

dvdjunkie wrote:We will all pay the price if ObamMao gets elected.
Not really and even if he does slip up, it wouldn't be as bad as if Romney would of done.

Also lol that you call Obama "Mao". I always love when the GOp and follows of GOP call Obama the following "taboo" words:
Communist, Nazi, Socialist(as if socialism is as bad as people make it out to be), Muslim, terrorist, and who knows what else.

dvdjunkie wrote:I keep saying you should read the first three chapters of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" so you will be able to tell what has happened to our country if Obama gets re-elected.
Again you're comparing what hitler did to the actions of what Obama did? You're becoming delusional and insane at this point. The two individuals have absolutely no common. And this isn't even counting the killing Hitler and the Nazi did.

It's funny that you keep comparing Obama to Hitler because If you know your political spectrum well, the Nazi were on the far right in the political system where as the communist were on the far left. Since it seems people call Obama a "commie" because his party is more left(which in reality his more of moderate conservative), calling him a nazi anyway is hilariously false anyway.

dvdjunkie wrote:Where do you get your negative information on Romney and Ryan anyway?
Where do I get it? From all news. You said yourself that you shouldn't favor one news media because it hold bias viewpoints and that you should get information from many places. If I have to say a major online news source I go to, it's BBC (While CNN has it's gimmicks, they are the best/ most neutral of the three [FOX, MSNBC]. However Although MSNBC is extremely liberal bias, they do have Rachael Maddow who I find to show some interesting perspectives) as I've said before(which you probably ignore or otherwise you wouldn't of ask me). But I also pick up my local newspaper and so forth.

And yet you gave us quotes and excerpts from news personalities and sensationalist like Sean fucking Hannity of all people. Even before Obama was even running for president, I knew this fucker was full of shit.
dvdjunkie wrote:Everything I have read about them has been taken out of context
As Disneyanimation88 said, "Was Romney's 47% gaffe taken out of context, you know, when he was caught on camera saying that he didn't care about half of the American people because as far as he is concerned, they'll just vote for Obama because he'll allow them to live off hand-outs?"

Does this not click and ring a bell at the mentality of Romney and his viewpoint in politics? Does this not click to you that he gives a rat's ass about majority of us or that he has any clue of the shit he says? They're a whole bunch of more and let's not even get with Paul Ryan when he blurted out false accusations at the GOP convention in Tampa that were proved to be BS....Even by fucking FOX News of all things. If not even their own party has confidence in their candidate( and should know how much conservative media love to support their candidates and party), shouldn't that hit a fucking bell at the possibility of what Romney could do to the country?

dvdjunkie wrote:and when a person does that it makes your decisions look even sillier.

Like you, right?
dvdjunkie wrote:Since you are afraid of the truth and won't listen to people like Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity and the like, and don't even try to read and compare notes with Fox News (which I do) I can't fight my side of this one-sided war.
Those two bolds should not even be in the same sentence.

The fact you think FOX hold even any credibility worth of truth shows how delusional you are. Anyone with even half a brain knows FOX is full of shit. Even if I was a conservative i would not take FOX with any once of worth of truth. I'm amaze at the length you even consider taking them even seriously.

dvdjunkie wrote:Just do me the favor of reading my post top to bottom and if you live at home, ask your parents how are they are better off today than they were four years ago, I think you will be surprised at the answer. I won't be surprised if you come up with some excuse like - "My parents and I don't talk" or "I don't listen to my parents because I'm my own person" or things like that.
I did ask. and I know for fact that they, mostly with my father's case, are improving.

You see my father has his own business. He's a produce deliver which means that he gets calls from his customers and clients of fruits and vegetables they need for the day, then goes to the Bronx in NYC (we live in northern NJ) at the big marketplace, orders the foods all his clients ask for, then heads back to NJ and delivers them. This takes like from 10pm till sometimes 7am. he does this every day.

So back in 2007, my father was losing customers. ABG and MBG(these are restaurants) dropped out due to the economy, as well as many others. So now my father losing money and so we had to watch what we did with the money. No sometimes after 2010, my father's business been improving again. He got many of the customers he initially lost, back again (like MBG, ABG, and Harolds) as time pass by and we're financially been doing much better than we were when bush was prez. What did that tell me? That despite what some people want to believe or think, the economy is coming back, but is going by very slow rate. Many people must of been disappoint in Obama because he's not improving the economy at much faster and successful rate. But how is that possible when you have big name business who favor GOP trying every effort possible to prevent it from happening.


dvdjunkie wrote:Don't be pressured by your peers to vote for who they are voting for.
I'm not. I draw my conclusions and choice through what I read, see, and deduce to form my own thoughts and beliefs.

dvdjunkie wrote:With this election as close as it is, we need people to vote using that space between their ears called a brain.
like you?
dvdjunkie wrote:You won't be a racist if you vote for Romney, you will be just stupid if you vote for ObamMao.
Who said I thought you be racist if I vote for Romney? That fact you even thought that tell me more about you and fact you even thought of that as a reason.


Like others said, you lost all credibility and to be taken seriously when you first, took FOX news as serious source especially praising Sean Hannity as stating "truth" (Bill O'Reilly is more truthful and holds better valid arguments than him) and second when you compared Obama to Hitler. Seriously. Even if I hate Obama or what he doing, I wouldn't ever compared him to the politics Hitler push forth. All this tells me is that what ever actions Obama did affected to personally rather than what it's affecting the country as a whole, judging from the desperate strawmen logic you are constantly barking and also retort to ad hominem on us using things like "kids" etc.
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Super Aurora wrote:That despite what some people want to believe or think, the economy is coming back, but is going by a very slow rate. Many people must of been disappointed in Obama because he's not improving the economy at a much faster and successful rate. But how is that possible when you have big name business who favor GOP trying every effort possible to prevent it from happening.
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Man this debate is fucking lousy on both sides and the fucking moderator is a big ass pussy letting especially Romney push him over.

Also Romney is like abandoning ship on some things he had supported before...typical. Like I said earlier he is flip-flopping.

Also he wants to cut PBS? WTF? How is that important?
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Age=\=wisdom judging by what ive read in my 4 years here most of us are in our 20s and quite old enough to vote. I can also say some teens do have good knowledge of political and social issues from actuallybtalking to them and believe it or not ivd also seen some very.immature behavior come from 50+ year olds. Even without politics and dvdjjnkie especially since you claim to be so mature shows you're hardly any more grown up than a 10 year old ridiculing kids who like "baby" Disney movies.

Oh and people base maturity the way they base everything else: on personal experience and the teachings of immediate elders aka parents neighbors and older siblings and peers and its clear regarding a lot of things that experience brings more wisdom than teachings and age combined. Its apparent in movies, tv myyhology and real life. Hence why at best we can only have vague ideas of the political system unless we're all politicians.
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Is it just me or has Mitt Romney spoken last in nearly every segment of the debate? I only paid attention to this after he childishly said, “I get the last word!” at the end of the first segment, without following the rule in the next segment which would‘ve allowed Obama to speak last. :lol:

I also see Romney doesn’t believe in supporting green energy, and would rather support oil and coal that will continue to hurt our environment. Big surprise. Also, the fact that insurance prices are higher now has nothing to do with Obamacare, considering Obamacare doesn’t go through until next year (if Obama is re-elected). It’s really just the insurance companies jacking up prices trying to get as much money as they can before they’re finally regulated. It’s the same thing that happened when credit card companies suddenly jacked up their interest rates not too long before, just before interest rates were to be frozen.
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Super Aurora wrote: Also he wants to cut PBS? WTF? How is that important?
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Yeah, I have no idea either.

And when Mitt said "We are a nation that believes that we are all children of the same God." Wha.. what was that?
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This debate was shit from both sides.

I will admit Romney came more prepared for this debate considering spent his whole time for it. but while Romney is winning on rhetoric. But he's also winning on bullshit. Sadly, it doesn't matter on being right, just sounding well. That's how stupid the Americans are.
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so overall the tl;dr summery of this debate between the two:

Romney sounded better, but said nothing at all.
Obama sounded like shit, but had a teensy bit more substance.
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Super Aurora wrote: Also he wants to cut PBS? WTF? How is that important?
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Yeah, I have no idea either.

And when Mitt said "We are a nation that believes that we are all children of the same God." Wha.. what was that?
He also said that he love's Big Bird while he proposed that idea of cutting PBS....... :x

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We still have two more debates: Social and foreign.

Obama will probably kill Romney in social especially in the Gay rights department.

Foreign is up in the air but Obama have been handling foreign affairs rather well where as Romney has made joke of himself during his trips to europe for example.
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Notice CNN is being pathetic especially today. CNN starting instead of being neutral, just bending over with the winning side.
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