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Goliath wrote:It's not my fault that you feel the need to praise every piece of drivel just because you think you're "supposed to" because it's a "classic" and it makes you look so "mature and interesting" to say you like them.
The movie is slow-paced - yes. I found the scene with Stanley and Stella discussing the Belle Reve estate necessary and well-written, but a bit boring because of the slow pace. However, I did genuinely enjoy the performances, particularly Vivein Leigh's as the pitiful Blanche. I'm not saying I think it's a great movie so it makes me seem mature and interesting, I'm saying it because I honestly believe it.

The entire ending sequence (with Eunice subtly having eye contact with Stella and trying to find the right thing to say to Blanche, and the moment when Blanche realises what's going to happen to her) is cinematic gold, and I also really like the tense dinner scene. And I still don't understand why you found the film 'uninteresting'; for example, I thought the scene with Blanche vaguely telling Mitch about her late husband to be very enjoyable, and I wanted to find out more about their backstory.
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Also Goliath: there are plenty of 'classic' films that I dislike. Casablanca; Double Indemnity; 2001: A Space Odyssey; and even though I adore Hitchcock, I see Vertigo as one of his weakest and most lacklustre films (but there are some scenes in it which I do kind of like). I don't praise 'every piece of drivel' considered a classic, thank you very much.
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Dr. Frankenollie wrote:
.......'classic' films that I dislike. Casablanca; Double Indemnity; 2001: A Space Odyssey.........
And that is probably why your criticisms of movies other people watch aren't valid.

You have named some very classic films that EVERYONE likes!!!! How about films like The African Queen, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Caine Mutiny - I supposed you don't like any of those titles either.

Goliath's taste in films in spot on, and I agree with his reviews more times than not. Most of your reviews I have never agreed with.

It's all n the genre of films a person likes. If you don't like something, people don't pile on you for it, so I think you should just leave weel enough alone with Goliath's movie reviews.
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dvdjunkie wrote:And that is probably why your criticisms of movies other people watch aren't valid.
Aren't 'valid'? Everyone has a right to an informed opinion.
dvdjunkie wrote:You have named some very classic films that EVERYONE likes!!!!
Popularity does NOT = quality.
dvdjunkie wrote:How about films like The African Queen, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Caine Mutiny - I supposed you don't like any of those titles either.
Admittedly, I've only seen one of those films: The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938). But guess what? I love it. Claude Rains and Basil Rathbone are fun villains, the visuals (particularly when it comes to the production design) are wonderful and the iconic sword fight between Gisborne and Robin Hood (shadows and all) is one of my favourite movie moments.
dvdjunkie wrote:It's all n the genre of films a person likes. If you don't like something, people don't pile on you for it, so I think you should just leave weel enough alone with Goliath's movie reviews.
No. You are wrong. What you said is a not an opinion, it's factually wrong. I loathe people who choose to not watch a movie simply because it's part of a genre they think they dislike; but it's never the genre as a whole to blame, it's a specific movie.

I love some sci-fi movies, I hate some sci-fi movies. I love some comedies, I hate some comedies. I love some musicals, I hate some musicals. It's not all in the genre of films a person likes.

By the way, I wasn't criticising Goliath's movie reviews; he disagreed with my review, not vice versa, and the only reason for his opinion on A Streetcar Named Desire (that he stated at least) was that it was a 'boring snoozefest', which was why I responded in the way I did.
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@ dvdjunkie: Wow, thanks for the compliment. I never would've guessed you agreed with my reviews, especially because you sometimes criticized my taste in movies and 'lectured' me about how films are 'supposed' to be 'only entertainment'. But anyway, thanks again. I just feel, in Dr. F.'s defense, I have to say this:
dvdjunkie wrote:And that is probably why your criticisms of movies other people watch aren't valid.

You have named some very classic films that EVERYONE likes!!!!
His criticisms are as valid as anybody else's. And no, not everybody likes those movies. Especially 2001 is hated by a *lot* of people, including me, because it's one big piece of nothingness, but because it's so praised by some critics, nobody dares to say it out loud. Casablanca is a nice film, but also overrated, even moreso when you realize how much plotholes and illogical events are to be found in it.
dvdjunkie wrote:How about films like The African Queen, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Caine Mutiny - I supposed you don't like any of those titles either.
And what if he didn't? We can't all like the same movies. I also don't like some classic movies which are considered "great movies" by the public and critics alike. I always try to seperate my own personal taste from an 'objective' look at the movies, but it's a hard thing to do --but not impossible.
dvdjunkie wrote:Goliath's taste in films in spot on, and I agree with his reviews more times than not. Most of your reviews I have never agreed with.

It's all n the genre of films a person likes. If you don't like something, people don't pile on you for it, so I think you should just leave weel enough alone with Goliath's movie reviews.
Hey, we're all here to discuss movies and sometimes we disagree. That's the beauty of threads like these. I just don't like it when people come up with personal reasons for not liking a movie, like when Dr. F. said I have "a low attention-span". So I threw a personal remark back. No harm done, I know he can take it in; that's all. So let's not fight any further and continue to post reviews.


The Fighter (2010)

I had wanted to see this one for a long time and I wasn't disappointed. Some critics have compared it to Raging Bull and while it obviously isn't as good as Scorsese's masterpiece, it's still a very good character study of a promising boxer who is being held back by his 'white trash' family whom he has to learn to defy in order to build a career, which isn't an easy thing to do. What I like most about the movie, is that it doesn't go for a black-and-white portrayal of the dysfunctional family from the ghetto. They're not caricatures or stereotypes, but real well-rounded characters. This is not only thanks to the good script but also due to the memorable performances, mostly Christian Bale's.


13 Going On 30 (2004)

One of my guilty pleasures; watched it again because it was on tv last week. Jennifer Garner carries the whole film with her charming and endearing lead performance. Take her out of it and the whole thing would be a whole lot less entertaining. The idea is simple (a 13 year old wishing being 30 and waking up the next morning actually being that age), but is executed very well. This is 'just entertainment' at its best, even if it is a 'chick flick'. Of course, the sugary sweet ending with her realizing that her best friend in high school at age 13 is the 'love of her life' with whom she wants to marry is not my cup of tea at all --normally, but in the context of the movie, any other ending wouldn't have satisfied me. We come to expect it, so we want to see a happy end.

Groundhog Day (1993)

Also on tv this week. This was maybe the 20th time I've seen it and it still entertains me. The first hour and a half are the best, with the cynical version of Murray. Once he mellows and starts doing good, the movie loses some of its edge and becomes less funny, but again, he has to mellow for the plot to work. And of course there should be a happy ending, but I still like the cynical version of him the best, because I *so* feel for him. I know, we're supposed to dislike the Phil who's arrogant and looks down on the people in Punxsutawney, but I can't help but agree with him.
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Goliath wrote:Hey, we're all here to discuss movies and sometimes we disagree. That's the beauty of threads like these. I just don't like it when people come up with personal reasons for not liking a movie, like when Dr. F. said I have "a low attention-span". So I threw a personal remark back. No harm done, I know he can take it in; that's all. So let's not fight any further and continue to post reviews.
Sorry Goliath for the rude remark; I was just surprised that you found A Streetcar Named Desire boring.
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Dr Frankenollie wrote:Sorry Goliath for the rude remark; I was just surprised that you found A Streetcar Named Desire boring.
Oh, I didn't think it was that rude. I'm used to reading a lot more harsh things here --and God knows I'm no saint either when it comes to dishing it out. My critique of Streetcar was very refined either. I just threw in my own personal feeling about it. I recognize the movie is not nearly as bad as I made it out to be. It's just not my cup of tea.
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It may be incredibly corny... but I actually had a blast with this fairly infamous bad movie. As a comedy, it misses all the intended marks but is frequently untintentionally funny and utterly enjoyable based on the bizarre energy which the film is full of. Sherman Hemsley (The Jeffersons) and Luis Avalos (The Electric Company) are ho-hum as a pair of lonely, tired government employees tasked to evict a family of ghosts out of their plantation home and accidentally walk in on a weird party that leads to them uncovering an underground zombie factory. Meanwhile, they're being watched over by guardian ghosts. One also played by Hemsley in dusty Southern "po boy" rags and the other the son of the monster ghost running the zombie operation, played by Myron Healey (who starred in literally a ton of westerns). They're great. The movie may look like Ghostbusters before it gets started but it plays a little more like Strange Brew meets Disney's Mr. Boogedy and, of course, their Haunted Mansion attraction from the parks. Further padded with some very silly music and dancing numbers. The story is a joke, trying to find an excuse to trot out vampires and mummies as well as ghosts and zombies. And the ending becomes overly preoccupied with a boxing scene that takes too long to get funny. But I was having fun at the beginning, I recovered from the drag in the middle, and when it was over- I had to admit I'd had a good time. And, really, I've seen much worse than this. To name names: Full Moon High, Repossessed, and Club Fed (which also starred Hemsley). I haven't seen Ghost Dad in a long time, though, so I can't compare the two.
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Dang, I'm surprised at some of the more recent posts. I find it hard to believe that people could outright dislike the Muppets, Casablanca, or Double Indemnity.
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I haven't seen either. So... we don't really know whether they're good or not yet, do we?

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Ressurrecting this thread...

Boy A (2007)

Big disappointment. It was described as a tale about a boy who committed a horrible crime at a very young age and who gets released when he turns 18 years and gets haunted and persecuted by the tabloid press. Well, that eventually happens, but only after more than an hour. The first half of the film is about him picking up his life again. This could've been very interesting, had it been executed better. It really sounded like my cup of tea and I was prepared to see a great and impressive movie, but unfortunately, I didn't. Watch Il Y A Long Temps Que Je T'Aime to see a fantastic movie with a similar theme.
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011) Blu-ray


Was very reluctant to go see this movie at the cinema, but after viewing this for the first time, I was impressed with what they tried to do and how successful they were at it.

Director Rupert Wyatt pulls off this film without pulling any punches. James Franco is a doctor who thinks he has found a cure for Alzheimers and is testing the drug on chimpanzees.

When a sudden turn of events happens and the senior representative of the company pulls the plug and has all the apes put down, it is Franco who finds that the ape that caused the uprising was only protecting her young one whom she had just given birth to.

Enter the young ape into the doctor's life. He is asked to raise the ape as he would a child, and beginning to use the drug on the ape as well as his father, played by John Lithgow, who is also diagnosed with alzheimers, and makes a great turnaround in his life. Franco and his girlfriend, Frieda Pinto, name the chimp Caesar.

When the young doctor is forced to turn Caesar over to a housing facility run by Brian Cox, Caesar begins his leadership to turn the apes on their master.

Wyatt has given tribute to the original Planet of the Apes film of 1968, using a couple of the lines of dialogue that everyone knows and don't need repeating here. The director has given us a great film with motion-capture animation of all the apes using stellar actor Andy Serkis as the model for Caesar.

I really like this film even more after being able to sit at home and watch the movie again and all the special features, of which there is several that highlight Andy Serkis and his ability to create and make the motion-cap animation so easiy.

On the Junkie Meter I will give "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" a strong 4 of 5 stars. I can't recommend this movie highly enough.
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Avaitor wrote:Dang, I'm surprised at some of the more recent posts. I find it hard to believe that people could outright dislike the Muppets, Casablanca, or Double Indemnity.
I don't completely dislike Casablanca or Double Indemnity, it's just that I find them really overrated. Casablanca's okay, but a bit dull (and Paul Henreid is pretty bad), and the only thing I really enjoyed about Double Indemnity was Edward G Robinson.

Anyway, in the past few days I've watched three FANTASTIC movies: Inglourious Basterds (Christoph Waltz is superb), Dog Day Afternoon (is it wrong that I detested the authority characters and hoped the criminals would escape?) and perhaps best of all, Pulp Fiction. :D
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Movies seen from 10 days ago up to today. All Christmas movies are listed in the Holiday Viewing thread.

Ratings based on a 5 star method.
[Blue = 1st time rating and/or viewing]

Prom (2011) ✰✰✰
An American Tail: The Treasure of Manhattan Island (1998) ✰✰1/2
The Music Man (1962) ✰✰✰
Mr. Popper's Penguins (2011) ✰✰1/2
The Help (2011) ✰✰✰✰
Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011) ✰✰✰✰
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (2011) ✰✰✰✰
[If you really liked the previous Holmes, this one will be pure eye candy.]
Kung Fu Panda 2 ✰✰✰✰1/2 (2011)
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National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (1989) - A must-watch every Christmas. There are just so many amusing characters and scenes that it's impossible not to enjoy it.

Mystery Science Theater 3000: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians - Not really a movie I know, but this is one of the ultimate episodes of the series. The gang attacks one of the worst Holiday films ever conceived (and it does show, too). Everything from horrible lines, laughable sets and costumes (misspelled as custume in the credits) are present in this mess.
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Animal Kingdom - I was only kind of watching it while surfing the web, so I might not have actually gotten into it. It was okay I guess, but nothing too great. But, again, I was only half paying attention.
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Hugo (2011) - I watched it for the second time today, and the marvellous experience was just as wonderful, entertaining and hugely immersive as the first time. :) It features great acting from all members of the cast (with Asa Butterfield and Ben Kingsley being especially tremendous) and beautiful visuals, and as James Cameron said, it's the best usage of 3-D thus far. An enchanting tribute to classic cinema that every movie buff should see.
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The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo (2011) - I absolutely freakin' loved it!! It's a totally different atmosphere from the Swedish version, and I kind of liked it better. Rooney Mara was absolutely marvelous. Not only was she more physically like the Lisbeth in the novel, but she totally took the movie; don't get me wrong, Noomi Rapace was great as well, but Mara was just as good (if not a tiny bit better). And Daniel Craig was more like the Mikael I imagined in my head than Nyqvist was. The only thing I didn't like was how they changed Anita to being Harriet; when it was revealed that Anita and her husband died in a car crash (even though Harriet was supposed to have been married) I shook my head. I mean, I guess it makes sense from a cinematic view, but it's different from the novel (which has to happen). This version definitely stuck more closely to the novel and I greatly appreciate that. This version and the Swedish version are different entities and I really shouldn't make comparisons, but I think I like the 2011 version better. I should probably rewatch the Swedish film, but right now I'm thinking I like the newer version. In fact, I might go and see it again sometimes this weekend. I loved it as much as I thought I would (even with that kind of significant change).
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Well I definitely don’t care for A Streetcar Named Desire, my opinion lines up quite nicely with Goliath’s but I’m not going to devalue someone else's opinions on movies when they differ from my own (which happens quite a bit).
Dr Frankenollie wrote:Also Goliath: there are plenty of 'classic' films that I dislike. Casablanca; Double Indemnity; 2001: A Space Odyssey; and even though I adore Hitchcock, I see Vertigo as one of his weakest and most lackluster films (but there are some scenes in it which I do kind of like). I don't praise 'every piece of drivel' considered a classic, thank you very much.
I can understand 2001: A Space Odyssey, which I’ve sat through it multiple times in hope of discovering whatever it was that I’m obviously missing but I always come away with the same opinion that it’s just a vague boring mess of a movie - not without it’s moments - that a few purport liking to feel superior (if you want actual good filmmaking by Kubrick, check out Paths of Glory).

I can also understand Vertigo, that while having a magnificent score by Bernard Herrmann (one of his finest) and great talent like Jimmy Stewart, is a fairly unpleasant movie. There are moments of great suspense but the plot just doesn’t have the drive and energy of his other movies that this is often lumped together with (Rear Window, North by Northwest, Psycho The Birds).

It’s been a while since I’ve seen Double Indemnity but outside of Stanwyck’s goofy ass wig (to quote Buddy DeSylva, then production head of Paramount, “We hired Barbara Stanwyck and here we get George Washington.”), I remember liking it. Billy Wilder movies tend to hold up quite well on revisitations (speaking of which, Sunset Blvd. is on HDNet Movies next month, just a heads up).

As for not liking Casablanca; blasphemy. Wonderfully diverse cast, great chemistry between the characters and plenty of humor found throughout. Claude Rains is found here in my favorite roll of his, he’s just perfect. Sure, it can get a little melodramatic and overly patriotic (they had to sell war bonds), but it’s just fun all around. It’s the characters that do it for me but to each their own I guess (BTW, you may want to update your posts here and here, where you list Casablanca as one of your favorite movies. Vertigo is also on that list.).
dvdjunkie wrote:Dr. Frankenollie wrote:
.......'classic' films that I dislike. Casablanca; Double Indemnity; 2001: A Space Odyssey.........
And that is probably why your criticisms of movies other people watch aren't valid.

You have named some very classic films that EVERYONE likes!!!!
Wait...what??? I’m confused as to why his opinions aren’t valid and how it is that everyone likes those movies when you’re quoting someone stating that he doesn’t like them??? I need Doc Brown to explain this paradox to me.
dvdjunkie wrote: How about films like The African Queen, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Mutiny on the Bounty, The Caine Mutiny - I supposed you don't like any of those titles either.
Big fan of Bogart and Flynn are we?

The African Queen (aka Jungle Cruise) is alright, but it could stand to be a little shorter and have the ending reworked a bit to something a little more satisfying. The Adventures of Robin is alright but I’ve never been particularly impressed with Robin Hood in movies (although, I have to admit, this is one of Hollywood’s better efforts). Captain Blood is a rousing precursor to The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise and probably my favorite role of Flynn’s. Mutiny on the Bounty, assuming you’re talking about the Laughton / Gable effort in the 30s, is pretty good. You certainly HATE Laughton in it and I found it much more impressive then the Brando 60s effort or the Hopkins / Gibson 80s effort. Honestly, I was bored with The Caine Mutiny up till the trial scene, where Bogie captivated me with his performance.

Hopefully my opinions are still valid, even when I don’t faun over these movies.
dvdjunkie wrote: Goliath's taste in films in spot on, and I agree with his reviews more times than not.
Agreed.
dvdjunkie wrote: Most of your reviews I have never agreed with.
While I definitely don't agree with Frankenollie on all movies, anyone who champions North by Northwest, Back to the Future and Aladdin as much as he does gets a pass. When he finally gets around to watching The Godfather (he said he hasn’t here, but implies he has here) and starts championing that film too, he’ll be near untouchable (hey, if you throw in Casablanca you have my top 5).
dvdjunkie wrote: It's all in the genre of films a person likes.
Others have already addressed this so I won’t contribute.
Avaitor wrote:Dang, I'm surprised at some of the more recent posts. I find it hard to believe that people could outright dislike The Muppets, Casablanca, or Double Indemnity.
The Muppets the movie was just mediocre on all fronts but The Muppets the characters are just as appealing as they were in the 70s. I can’t answer for the other two.

Anyways, the latest...

Cars 2 (2011) 5.5/10 - Hard to believe but it was worse then I expected. I usually like the ‘wrong man’ plot, it served Hitchock well but those movies usually involve a protagonist who isn’t annoyingly stupid. Having a stupid protagonist, like Bill Murray’s in The Man Who Knew Too Little, just doesn’t work as well. Which brings me to Mater, who is tolerable in small doses (like in the first film) but is just too much an irritant to carry a film. He’s one of the main reasons for this movie’s failure as it’s devoid of any kind of emotional center to hold it all together (say what you want about the first one but at least the characters didn't feel so hollow). His relationship strain with McQueen is soo forced that I felt insulted. Actually, most elements in this movie are incredibly contrived and only seem to be there to get us to the next location / race / action sequence. Even the new characters, who are little more then plot devices, serve only to get us to the next action sequence (so generic that labeling them ‘the two spies and McQueen’s new rival’ actually describes their personalities, or lack there of). Hell, 90% of this movie is juvenile humor and action sequences, and is completely different in tone from the laid back original. I didn’t think Pixar could make such a lifeless film but here we are. It looks like A Bug’s Life finally has a challenger for worst Pixar film. A shame to, since this is a stunningly beautiful film (artistically speaking). Gorgeous scenery.

Cowboys & Aliens (2011) 5.5/10 - Who would’ve thought such an interesting concept would make such a mediocre movie? Generic as shit. It seems like the last 1/3 of the movie is just a battle. Then again, the last thing the writers of this movie wrote was Transformers 2, and if I would’ve known this ahead of time I would’ve adjusted my expectations accordingly. A shame too, since there is soo much [wasted] talent involved that you think they would’ve waited for a solid script first.
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jpanimation wrote:(BTW, you may want to update your posts here and here, where you list Casablanca as one of your favorite movies. Vertigo is also on that list.).
Allow me to explain: the first time I watched Casablanca, from what I remember, I found the first a little dull, but enjoyed the second half and loved the ending. That's why I put it on my favourites list in May; admittedly, it was silly of me to do so when I didn't love all of it, but ah well.

Anyway, I watched it a second time in the summer and didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I did the first time round; in fact, I thought most of it was dull. But now that you've reminded me that Casablanca was once on my favourites list, maybe I should give it another go.

As for Vertigo being on the list...I haven't a clue why it's there.
jpanimation wrote:While I definitely don't agree with Frankenollie on all movies, anyone who champions North by Northwest, Back to the Future and Aladdin as much as he does gets a pass. When he finally gets around to watching The Godfather (he said he hasn’t here, but implies he has here) and starts championing that film too, he’ll be near untouchable (hey, if you throw in Casablanca you have my top 5).
Yay. :D

Okay, now I'm going to perhaps throw all my nonexistent credibility out of the window: I implied I'd seen the Godfather movies when I hadn't, because I thought it silly of me to have not seen them and was embarrassed. Now I feel rather silly. :brick:

When I do give Casablanca another go and see the Godfather at Christmas, maybe I will love your entire top five after all.
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