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DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:05 pm

Sotiris wrote:Guys, you're over-reacting. Steve Hulett didn't say that there aren't going to be any hand-drawn films at all; just that there are only a couple in development and that the studio is supporting CG more something we already knew.

You know what? It's like they're playing some kinda stupid parental favoritism thing, which really makes things seem less fair.

Heartless · Post by **Heartless** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:06 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:OH, COME ON!!!!!!!!!

First, they try "killing" hand-drawn by releasing Home on the Range during a time when Disney films aren't released (Summer/Thanksgiving/Holiday season), then they put The Princess and the Frog a week before Avatar (which was bound to make billions, despite being a total ripoff in terms of plot) instead of Thanksgiving, then they put Winnie the Pooh up against Harry Potter (even if the former cost much less and the latter was bound to make millions, anyway) and now it seems like they're going to great lengths just to avoid doing any more hand-drawn movies.

Seriously, Disney. Are you doing this just so you can kill off the medium that started all of this? Roy Disney fought to keep the company alive, damn it! And this is how they repay him?! By giving him a metaphorical middle finger, even in death?!

Because, to be honest, it seems that way to me. They're just not trying anymore. All they care about anymore is... well, lemme put it like this:
It's no wonder Andreas Deja and Glen Keane left...

God, if they'd spend more time TRYING to keep hand-drawn alive, instead of spending more money on expansions to their company.... Ugh! You know, I'm starting to think that we're being screwed over big time...

I'm curious as to how many times you have used (and will continue to use) this same paragraph in other threads. We get it...

You know what, I don't even care anymore. I'd love to see another hand-drawn film.. but if they're happier using a newer medium (with more potential to expand with newer technology), so be it. The main thing I'm concerned about at this point is getting a good story. The medium goes on the back burner for me until they can (consistently) come up with a good movie.

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:11 pm

Sotiris wrote:Guys, you're over-reacting. Steve Hulett didn't say that there aren't going to be any hand-drawn films at all; just that there are only a couple in development and that the studio is supporting CG more something we already knew.

What intrigues and baffles me from what Steve said was this:

Though the studio isn't totally walking away from hand-drawn features, there doesn't appear to be any features on the map that will look like the old-style, hand-drawn specimens we enjoyed in our youth.

Everything I've seen indicates that hand-drawn animation will be going in a different visual direction.
I wonder what does he mean when he says that hand-drawn animation will be going in a different visual direction. Does that mean that they will employ a lot of CG? Does that mean they'll use Flash animation? Does that mean cell-shading? Does that mean that they will deviate from the usual 'Disney' styles in terms of design? Will they be going for something more edgy and stylized, visual-wise? Or, in the worst case scenario, will there be only a few hand-drawn elements in an otherwise fully CG feature?

Who knows?

Okay. I'm sorry. By the way, since we know that Wreck It Ralph is the next CG movie, what's the other CG movie their working on?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:22 pm

TsWade2 wrote:By the way, since we know that Wreck It Ralph is the next CG movie, what's the other CG movie their working on?

King of the Elves, and Frozen. There are a lot more CG movies in development but their titles haven't been revealed yet.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:35 pm

Okay, Hullett clearly wrote that future hand-drawn films would be in a different style than before. Not that they will stop producing more films. I don't think there is a rule that requires every hand-drawn animated film to look like Snow White or Dumbo or The Lion King. Not to sound condescending, but you guys really need to learn how to read everything clearly and think about the meaning in your head before jumping to insane conclusions.

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:43 pm

Sotiris wrote:
TsWade2 wrote:By the way, since we know that Wreck It Ralph is the next CG movie, what's the other CG movie their working on?
King of the Elves, and Frozen. There are a lot more CG movies in development but their titles haven't been revealed yet.

But, wasn't there another movie called Frozen or is the title not decided yet.

disneyprincess11 · Post by **disneyprincess11** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:46 pm

Sotiris wrote:Reimagined Winnie
http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... innie.html

Steve Hulett wrote:I don't think Disney will be doing hand-drawn features with the classical look of painted cels and painted backgrounds in the near future. Everything I've seen indicates that hand-drawn animation will be going in a different visual direction.

So, there COULD be hand-drawn movies, but only they could be different-looking (like how Tangled was going to be both 2D and 3D)[/quote]

And their conclusions are, based on all evidence, that c.g. style features are where audiences' enthusiasms are now centered...

Ok, WHERE DID THEY GET THAT IDEA? No one cares if a kids' movie is 2D or 3D. It's the plot that counts. People are even saying they want 2D back!

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:06 pm

Heartless wrote:The main thing I'm concerned about at this point is getting a good story. The medium goes on the back burner for me until they can (consistently) come up with a good movie.

Personally, the medium means as much to me as the story, as do the characters.

estefan wrote:Not to sound condescending, but you guys really need to learn how to read everything clearly and think about the meaning in your head before jumping to insane conclusions.

I wouldn’t consider the conclusion that 2D is dead at Disney “insane” considering that was apparently the case following HOTR. With TP&TF’s underperformance, it would be no surprise if they had reverted back to that position.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:10 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:Personally, the medium means as much to me as the story, as do the characters.

I agree. The medium and the visuals do matter to me too. If they didn't, I woudn't be an animation fan but just a general movie fan.

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:47 pm

It would appear to me that they are remarking on how stylized CG animated can be when compared to what is considered the classic "Disney" style. Look at 'Up' for example.

It's not entirely a new concept for Disney really. I would consider films like Fantasia 2000, Hercules, Lilo & Stitch, and Mulan to be examples of using new styles in the classic hand drawn animation.

It would be a lot closer to assume that animators are working on new Hand Drawn films that will employ a unique style (which I'm all for actually), rather than Hand Drawn films are going extinct.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:30 pm

Bad news everyone. This movie has now been CG-fied. Our last hope for hand-drawn animation at Disney is gone. Previously, this movie was reported to be hand-drawn with CG elements (like most late 90s/00s Disney movies). Now it's gonna be CG with hand-drawn elements.

Q: Steve, is Ron & John's movie still on? And still hand-drawn?

Steve Hulett: Still in development. With hand-drawn elements. I've seen tests of what it might look like. Nice stuff.

Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... toids.html

DisneyAnimation88 · Post by **DisneyAnimation88** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Sotiris wrote:Our last hope for hand-drawn animation at Disney is gone.

Where does he say that? He says that the film has "hand-drawn elements", not that it's been turned into a full-fledged CG film.

Floyd Norman wrote:By the way, the stuff I've already seen on Ron and John's new film look very impressive. Bravo!

By the sounds of it, there's still reason to be optimistic. Hopefully it's the hand-drawn elements that Norman is talking about.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:50 pm

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:Where does he say that? He says that the film has "hand-drawn elements", not that it's been turned into a full-fledged CG film.

When someone says "elements" in animation it means environment, backgrounds, props, effects, everything that's not a character. For example, Treasure Planet which heavily uses CG in its environment is still considered a hand-drawn feature with CG elements because the characters are hand-drawn.

Therefore, this new film by Clements & Musker will now have CG characters with some hand-drawn elements which basically makes it a CG film.

DisneyAnimation88 · Post by **DisneyAnimation88** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:04 pm

I'll wait and see whether this film ever actually sees the light of day before I make too many judgements on it. It's hard to know what to believe when it comes to Disney these days; I thought King of the Elves was the next film due out after Wreck-It Ralph but according to the blog, nothing has yet been greenlit. You might know a lot more on this than I do but I'm not going to read too much into it until if and when more information on the film becomes available.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:17 pm

Sotiris wrote:Bad news everyone. This movie has now been CG-fied. Our last hope for hand-drawn animation at Disney is gone.

But that's not fair! They said they were developing-?! I can't believe they'd go get our hopes up, only to shoot them down!!

In short, they said they were gonna revive hand-drawn at Disney and they lied to us. Thanks a lot, Iger and Lasseter. Thanks a f*****g lot. You made me feel how Lewis (from Meet the Robinsons) felt when Wilbur admitted that he lied about their "deal". I really hope you two get fired one day...

Really, things just don't seem to be getting better. First they decided to make the stupid choice of taking 'Walt' and 'Pictures' out of the logo, then they decide to name 'Snow Queen' stupid 'Frozen', and now...

GRR!!! If I was anywhere near the idiots who screwed with Musker and Clements' project, chances are I'd smack them. Andreas Deja already left, why don't they?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:22 pm

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I'll wait and see whether this film ever actually sees the light of day before I make too many judgements on it. It's hard to know what to believe when it comes to Disney these days.

I understand your reservations. And you're right in that this film may never see the light of day after all. With Disney you never know.

DisneyJedi wrote:In short, they said they were gonna revive hand-drawn at Disney and they lied to us. Thanks a lot, Iger and Lasseter. Thanks a f*****g lot. I really hope you two get fired one day...

Well, Iger will step down as CEO in 2015 and completely exit Disney in 2016.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:27 pm

Sotiris wrote:
DisneyJedi wrote:In short, they said they were gonna revive hand-drawn at Disney and they lied to us. Thanks a lot, Iger and Lasseter. Thanks a f*****g lot. I really hope you two get fired one day...
Well, Iger will step down as CEO in 2015 and completely exit Disney in 2016.

Good, maybe that lying asshole should do us a favor and step down sooner. Maybe by, I dunno, next year! He's ruined the company enough already, even worse than Eisner did with his 'Making money > Quality in films' philosophy.

Seriously, it's IGER'S fault the company's not doing so great and it's HIS fault that Tangled did better because it was CG! As a matter of fact, we can blame Iger for teeny bopper shit AND for the false promise of more 2D animated films, QUALITY films! But no! He has to ruin everything! Really, it's no wonder that Disney's losing more employees! Everything is all Bob Iger's fault and I hope he steps down by next year!

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:28 pm

Sadly, for all that we talk of the medium not mattering but that a good story will attract audiences, I don't think that's quite true. Audiences don't know the plot of the stories before they watch it and I do think that CG films are inherently more appealing to many and may seem more entertaining at first glance

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:30 pm

qindarka wrote:Sadly, for all that we talk of the medium not mattering but that a good story will attract audiences, I don't think that's quite true. Audiences don't know the plot of the stories before they watch it and I do think that CG films are inherently more appealing to many and may seem more entertaining at first glance

What, you're saying that CG films only do better because they're CG and everyone HATES 2D?! This is completely unfair and totally biased!!

And by the way, this is why I hate America! Nearly every American native has poor taste in movies and wouldn't know a good movie unless it smacked them in the head!!

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