Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu

[Marky_198]

drfsupercenter, thank you so much!
It looks wonderful.
I can't send PM's, so I'll say it here.

Thanks.

[2099net]

I would say that the colours of various promotional items are just as bright as the DVD. Of course, it doesn't help that most of the screen shots in this thread have specifically been screens set in darkness just to "prove" a point, but compare the image below with



The Black Diamond VHS cover.



Belle's hair on the original movie poster.



Really, are you saying neither of these "vintage" promotional items closer match the IMAX version than the VHS version?

[Marky_198]

Of course not, you can't compare material like that to the actual film.

What he's saying (and I've said before) is; All the promotional material directly from the studio from that time (film stills from the studio), all the official screenshots of the OTV, all the original books I have from that time, official movie stills behind the glass in cinema's, everything that was ever released look exactly like the laserdisc version. And nothing that ever existed (or at least anyone has ever seen) looked even a bit like the DVD version.

And I completely agree, as I've been collecting stuff like that for years!

So I'm not talking about cd and vhs covers and clipart like you posted above. I can't believe you even think of comparing those 2 things. This reminds me of my schooldays, when other kids found a picture of Belle and said it came right out of the film, but it was clearly clipart and had NOTHING to do with the film. I dind't even know where to begin to explain it to them. Is it really possible that people don't see the difference and the magic of the look of a real Disneyclassic?
Because the dvd version looks like clipart too and some people don't seem to care......

[2099net]

What he's saying (and I've said before) is; All the promotional material directly from the studio from that time (film stills from the studio), all the official screenshots of the OTV, all the original books I have from that time, official movie stills behind the glass in cinema's, everything that was ever released look exactly like the laserdisc version. And nothing that ever existed (or at least anyone has ever seen) looked even a bit like the DVD version.

Oh, so you mean original lobby card sets like these?

http://www.motionpictureart.com/Beauty- ... 10076.html




Sorry, they still look more like the DVD to me. And no, they're not from the IMAX re-release (the site says 1991, and besides, I doubt France got an IMAX re-release).

[Marky_198]

I have the same lobby card sets, and not only from France, but from many other countries, including the USA.
I also have a lot of the promotional material directly from the studio from that time (film stills from the studio), official screenshots of the OTV, and some original books from that time, and many, many more things.

And everything looks exactly like the laserdisc transfer.

Anyone can see that this over-saturated picture (taken from some strange angle with some digital camera) of these cards doesn't make any sense. This is not how all my material collected over the years looks.

And even when this shots look ridiculously saturated to make the colors look like the dvd version, they still have way more depth and atmosphere and look less flat than the dvd version.

[yukitora]

I'm from PAL-land and there was a definite change in colors.

If anything, I prefer darker VHS than bright DVD. Disney could just released correct color DVD/blu-ray, but they've already decided to go with the IMAX version because that's the cheaper option.

[2099net]

And even when this shots look ridiculously saturated to make the colors look like the dvd version, they still have way more depth and atmosphere and look less flat than the dvd version.

So are you saying I manipulated the image? The link to them on the original page is clearly posted.

[Beast_enchantment]

So are you saying I manipulated the image? The link to them on the original page is clearly posted.

Yet, you were reluctant to post the following image of said lobby cards that is featured on the same site:

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/ ... SetUSA.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

http://www.motionpictureart.com/store/p ... t=0&page=1

These obviously look much more clearer and alot more like the OTV. A bit of a coincidence that you might have missed this one

[2099net]

Believe it or not, I didn't see the second set. I've not been scouring all the sites for an example, I took the first I found. Type in "Lobby Cards", "Beauty and the Beast" into Google, and see which is the first usable/valid link you get back.

[Beast_enchantment]

Believe it or not, I didn't see the second set. I've not been scouring all the sites for an example, I took the first I found. Type in "Lobby Cards", "Beauty and the Beast" into Google, and see which is the first usable/valid link you get back.

Then you're forgiven

[yukitora]

Those lobby cards reminded me of how great the film was, rather than how ugly the image is.

[Marky_198]

And even when this shots look ridiculously saturated to make the colors look like the dvd version, they still have way more depth and atmosphere and look less flat than the dvd version.

So are you saying I manipulated the image? The link to them on the original page is clearly posted.

Ok, ok, I should have said "which makes" instead of "to make".

[Marky_198]

Those lobby cards reminded me of how great the film was, rather than how ugly the image is.

Me too! Everytime I try to watch the dvd version, I have to take a look at my lobby cards again to recover. (and all the other material I mentioned)
And I mean that.
Otherwise there is a risk to forget how great the film was.

[drfsupercenter]

What will saving them as bitmaps do? The computer is still using 0-255 for the colour intensity, while most TVs will still compress this to 32-216 when connected to a TV with an analogue connection (and some digital connections too using legacy analogue values).

The "RGB Crap" as you call it is central to the whole colour debate! I don't know why people aren't listening to this! You present people with factual evidence, and it gets ignored by 90% of the posters. It's as close as anyone can get to show that the VHS/LD colours will NEVER have been correct. Now I'm not saying the DVD colours are "correct" but I'm sure that they're closer then the majority of people here think.

Well, how come I notice a difference when playing the VHS and DVD on the same TV then? Surely it's using the same RGB thing for both... I tried them both on a CRT TV, before we got the plasma one.
And there's also a difference on the computer - whether the computer is using a different colorspace or not, it's it's using the *same* setting so playing the DVD vs. my DVD transfer of the laserdisc should still show the correct differences.
Really, the only issue would be the hardware used to record the laserdisc to a DVD. Otherwise I think it shouldn't matter if you compare both on a TV, both on a computer, whatever.

As for those lobby cards or whatever - I've honestly never seen those before. I just grew up watching it on VHS and when I got the DVD, I thought it looked overly bright and more like a Saturday morning cartoon than I was used to. Obviously I have no idea what it looked like in theaters, I just like the darker colors better.
And as I said - it's not that I mind the special edition for what it is, just the fact that they didn't include the real OTV and just watered down their modified version. Next time if they release both the SE and a true port of CAPS I'll be happy.

[Jack Skellington]

Do you reckon that BVHE knows this ? IMO I don't think they do.

Why isn't there a petition for it or something ? The last time I checked IMDB there weren't any complaints about the brightness at all, although this was something that has been bothering me since I first got the DVD, and apparently I'm not the only one.

[nomad2010]

So I watched certain scenes on the DVD again last night and whoa to my surprise is cogsworth messed up looking. I mentioned this before but goodness, it's like they stripped all his color away and now he looks faded and has no dimension even though he is supposed to be a box. It's pretty bad.

And yes maybe we should start a petition. I mean even if it's a few hundred signatures it would show that true Disney fans notice. It can't hurt. It may be pointless but it can't hurt.

[geniuswalt]

I hope they keep this IMAX version for future dvds, but when they include the original version, I want it to be the real original version. Not the IMAX minus Human Again version.

I agree 100% with your point here.

[ajmrowland]

There are a few sites devoted to petitioning. I can make one, if you want.

How does this sound?

"Dear Walt Disney Home Entertainment, many fans(myself included) on ultimatedisney.com, along with a few other sites, have been discussing the upcoming Beauty and the Beast platinum edition DVD/Blu-ray, and have a request. Many have complained about the previous Platinum Edition NOT having the Original Theatrical Cut, but simply a "watered down" version of the one that was released for IMAX screens without the "Human Again" sequence. hey notice the colors being different from that of the original VHS/Laserdisc version, as well as many of the theatrical trailers and tv spots.
Also, there are some scenes that were "trimmed" after the original release that some people would like to see.
If the movie was changed for the Special Edition release in any way(other than the "Human Again" sequence), if you can, we ask that you provide the movie with a direct port of the original CAPS files and the colors as they were shown in theaters during the initial release, along with what you did for the Special Edition. If, in any case the original CAPS files are unavailable, then we request a statement as to why they were changed in the first place."

Any Criticism on my grammar is very well appreciated.

[geniuswalt]

They must have the original CAPS scenes though....

[ajmrowland]

They must have the original CAPS scenes though....

Edited.

"Dear Walt Disney Home Entertainment, many fans(myself included) on ultimatedisney.com, along with a few other sites, have been discussing the upcoming Beauty and the Beast platinum edition DVD/Blu-ray, and have a request. Many have complained about the previous Platinum Edition NOT having the Original Theatrical Cut, but simply a "watered down" version of the one that was released for IMAX screens without the "Human Again" sequence. hey notice the colors being different from that of the original VHS/Laserdisc version, as well as many of the theatrical trailers and tv spots.
Also, there are some scenes that were "trimmed" after the original release that some people would like to see.
If the movie was changed for the Special Edition release in any way(other than the "Human Again" sequence), if you can, we ask that you provide the movie with a direct port of the original CAPS files and the colors as they were shown in theaters during the initial release, along with what you did for the Special Edition."