Loss of Quality in the Platinum Editions?

[Beast_enchantment]

thankgod for that, lol does this mean they will stop messing with the classics?

[TheValentineBros]

I hope they don't ruin "101 Dalmatians (1961)" when it comes out on DVD in March. If they do, I will write an email to Disney or make a video about a message to Disney.

[SwordInTheStone777]

TheValentineBros wrote:

I hope they don't ruin "101 Dalmatians (1961)" when it comes out on DVD in March. If they do, I will write an email to Disney or make a video about a message to Disney.

How could Disney ruin 101 Dalmatians?

[TheValentineBros]

TheValentineBros wrote:

I hope they don't ruin "101 Dalmatians (1961)" when it comes out on DVD in March. If they do, I will write an email to Disney or make a video about a message to Disney.

How could Disney ruin 101 Dalmatians?

Well, everyone's talking about Plantium Edition difficulties for Disney movies on DVD.

[Beast_enchantment]

How could Disney ruin 101 Dalmatians?

by re-animating certain bits of it like they did with The Lion King which would really piss me off.
they could also ruin it by degrading it's value with lacklustre supplements. 101 dalmataions deserves a decent PE DVD like Snow White, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast got!

[SwordInTheStone777]

I don't think there's any new scenes to be added to 101 Dalmatians.

[Beast_enchantment]

yeah but knowing disney, after the Little Mermaid priest fiasco, they'll probably get rid of Cruella's smoing habit, lol

[SwordInTheStone777]

Cruella not smoking just ins't 101 Dalmatians then. The Little Mermaid was just taken out of context, Just a Disney Urban Legend.

[Beast_enchantment]

Just a Disney Urban Legend.

I agree! but disney feels the need to alter an animators hard work based on people's interpretations.

[TheValentineBros]

Just a Disney Urban Legend.

I agree! but disney feels the need to alter an animators hard work based on people's interpretations.

Well, you can lol, but it's true. There ARE controversy on all Disney films. Example:

"The Rescuers" - This was the movie that showed a topless lady. It was pending for a Masterpeice Collection release in November 1998, but then recalled for January 4, 1999, then January 9, 1999. Then, they noticed a topless lady. So, the real recall was for March 23, 1999.

"The Little Mermaid" - During the marrage scene, the priest had the erection and showed his penis.

"Aladdin" - 2 Controversies:
1. The Arabian Nights song had the sentence, "Where they cut off your ear." But in home video releases, the sentence was removed.

2. Aladdin says, "Good kitty. Now take off & go." But everyone else thought that Aladdin said, "Good teenagers. Now take off your clothes."

"The Lion King" - He was saying, "Squashed Banana Up Your @$$." and that was controversal.

[SwordInTheStone777]

TheValentineBros wrote:

The Arabian Nights song had the sentence, "Where they cut off your ear." But in home video releases, the sentence was removed.

"The Lion King" - He was saying, "Squashed Banana Up Your @$$." and that was controversal.

I never heared that about Aladdin and The Lion King.

[UncleEd]

Eisner wanted to add the Soup Sequence to Snow White in 1993. There was a backlash from historians and artists but he didn't care. When he found out how many millions of dollars it would have cost he backed off. You should NEVER add scenes to a classic ovie that the film maker discarded. I'd be okay if they wanted to color it for a DVD extra but not inthe film itself.

The thing with Pocahonts is they didn't add all of the If I Never Knew You reprise to the finale. They only added half of it. But added the song itself is precisely how Human Again should have been done. That was seamless. Human Again is not.

As far as I know Cinderella and Bambi had things changed or removed in their "restorations". It's getting to the point where Disney is becoming George Lucas and keeps changing the films to a point, releases them to recoop the costs, tinkers some more, reissues them, and the cycle never ends.

When I was in college I had an advertising class and they taught us that all those urban legends were true. I knew they weren't but no one else believed me. When animation schools are teaching them as fact it's no wonder Disney changes this stuff but it's still wrong.

[SwordInTheStone777]

Soup Sequence in Snow White? Where was that scene so suppose to take place?

[Disney Duster]

Escapay, haha to the color thing. Thanks for the info on the different DVD versions. So, does that mean you know if Disney will start doing them again? Or, like I said, soon Sleeping Beauty will show us.

TheValentineBros, somewhere I read online from some interview, Disney's "No Smoking Policy" is only affecting new films. Cruella's still a smoking baddass.

When I was in college I had an advertising class and they taught us that all those urban legends were true. I knew they weren't but no one else believed me. When animation schools are teaching them as fact it's no wonder Disney changes this stuff but it's still wrong.

WOW. That's horrible of a school, I wonder if they were anti-Disney. Just goes to show, you can't take even school lssons as fact! How were you not able to prove them right? Admittedly if "standing up" to the professor's lies would have gotten you kicked out, it's understandable you didn't do it, but it just takes a little time to point out what things real were.

[Escapay]

why did they show them in IMAX theatres anyway?

Theatrical re-releases were common for Disney films (and for films in general) even with the boom of VHS. It wasn't really until DVD came and got big that less people wanted to leave the comfort of their homes to go to a loud and noisy theatre. But still, sometimes the home isn't as grand as a theatre, and so Disney planned on re-releasing their films as IMAX presentations (like they had done for new films like Fantasia 2000). They knew there would be at least some % of an audience who would prefer a theatrical viewing to an old VHS tape (even if the old VHS tape was still in great condition). Alas, due to the limited amount of IMAX theatres across the nation (compared to the many regular theatres), the box office returns weren't as great as Disney wanted, which is why they stopped after The Lion King. But they do show some new films in IMAX (such as Chicken Little and Meet the Robinsons).

they'll probably get rid of Cruella's smoing habit, lol

Given the frequent use of her smoking in the film, it'd cost a lot of money to digitally change it all to something else (like a lollipop or whatever...), and if Disney can't be bothered to provide some meaty documentaries and instead give us 90+ minutes of games...I doubt they'd bother to change an animated feature this late in the game.

"The Rescuers" - This was the movie that showed a topless lady. It was pending for a Masterpeice Collection release in November 1998, but then recalled for January 4, 1999, then January 9, 1999. Then, they noticed a topless lady. So, the real recall was for March 23, 1999.

The two frame insert of a topless woman was a joke by the animators that inadvertently was missed and thus, the film was screened this way. However, the company was already made aware of it and "fixed" the frames for the 1992 VHS release. When the title came up again for re-release in 1998, they accidentally used the topless version of the scene, and had to recall the entire stock, and the fixed version was released in 1999.

"The Little Mermaid" - During the marrage scene, the priest had the erection and showed his penis.

He's an old man and his knees were buckling. There is NO erection and certainly no flashing of any phallus. Sheesh, the things people believe...

1. The Arabian Nights song had the sentence, "Where they cut off your ear." But in home video releases, the sentence was removed.

Complete lyrics were: "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face", and while the home video and DVD releases have the changed lyrics, the original can still be found on the original soundtrack (but not on the re-issued one).

2. Aladdin says, "Good kitty. Now take off & go." But everyone else thought that Aladdin said, "Good teenagers. Now take off your clothes."

Not necessarily everyone, it was another one of those viral stories that go around and get twisted. Nobody had a problem with the line until some mother started complaining about it soon after the VHS release. Then the wonderful power of suggestion had everyone listening to the line, and believing it was proclaiming that we all get nekkid!

"The Lion King" - He was saying, "Squashed Banana Up Your @$$." and that was controversal.

I never heard of that one before, but I'm sure Rafiki is speaking a dialect of Africa and not really using English during those chants of his.

Eisner wanted to add the Soup Sequence to Snow White in 1993. There was a backlash from historians and artists but he didn't care. When he found out how many millions of dollars it would have cost he backed off. <snip> I'd be okay if they wanted to color it for a DVD extra but not inthe film itself.

Same here. It would have been interesting to see them fully animate the sequence and add it as a supplement on the DVD. Sort of a "here's what could have been..." kind of thing. Also, it'd be interesting to see how the animation technique would have changed in 56 years. Can you imagine if they did the Soup Sequence in CAPS?

You should NEVER add scenes to a classic [m]ovie that the film maker discarded.

Yes, but what about the case of Bedknobs and Broomsticks? Disney forced them to cut it down to 117 minutes for its theatrical release and so it could run at Radio City Music Hall. It wasn't until the 1996 restoration that 22 minutes were integrated back in (the sole exception being "A Step in the Right Direction", which the video portion was lost). Also, I'm sure fans of Legend would agree that the added 22 minutes makes for a better, but still imperfect, picture.

At the same time, though, adding back scenes can sometimes ruin a movie. While some of the added scenes in Aliens helps and provide character moments (the "Dwayne/Ellen" exchange for one), others seem to slow the pace down (showing the colony discover the derelict, the automatic machine guns...).

Escapay, haha to the color thing. Thanks for the info on the different DVD versions. So, does that mean you know if Disney will start doing them again? Or, like I said, soon Sleeping Beauty will show us.

For any studio, once they decide on a second release for a new film, it's essentially a catalog release, and is at times cheaper for them to put together. That's why some studios (namely Fox) release skimpy or solid single-disc sets, then have an extras-frilled two-disc edition later on. Looking at recent titles, the Cars Blu-Ray has a bunch of worthwhile making-of features, along with what is supposed to be a rather cool interactive game, but it is a catalog release, since the DVD came out a year earlier. The initial plan with Lilo was to have the single-disc edition and the two-disc edition released together. But given the sales of previous dual-releases, Disney chose to simply issue the single-disc, and have it out pre-Christmas. Even in 2002 most consumers didn't care about making-of material, so Disney could proudly say that Lilo & Stitch sold X amount of copies during the holiday season, even if it wasn't the two-disc. Then, a year or two later, Disney could release the already-finished two-disc as a catalog release. While the rest of the world got this, we still haven't.

Regarding Sleeping Beauty, I have a feeling that since it'll be a dual release on DVD and Blu-Ray, we'll see a standard PE treatment for the DVD, my guess is we'll see the existing SE bonuses with probably one or two new featurettes to make the SE owners double-dip, while new customers would simply have the satisfaction of owning the movie for the first time. I'm sure the Blu-Ray will feature a sizable amount of additional extra features, the kind that collectors and movie aficionados have orgasms over. Whether or not they'll be games like Battle of the Wands or if it's some really worthwhile behind-the-scenes pods, that remains to be seen.

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[TheValentineBros]

Eisner wanted to add the Soup Sequence to Snow White in 1993. There was a backlash from historians and artists but he didn't care. When he found out how many millions of dollars it would have cost he backed off. <snip> I'd be okay if they wanted to color it for a DVD extra but not inthe film itself.

Same here. It would have been interesting to see them fully animate the sequence and add it as a supplement on the DVD. Sort of a "here's what could have been..." kind of thing. Also, it'd be interesting to see how the animation technique would have changed in 56 years. Can you imagine if they did the Soup Sequence in CAPS?

Oh, if they put it in CAPS, I can tell that the worse is yet to come.

People: *SCREAMING*

Some Guy that looks like a random cartoon character: Boycott Disney for using the soup sequence in CAPS under a 1937 movie called Snow White!

Myself: And it's not as worse as if the Plantium Edition for "Pinocchio" comes in 2009, they'll add a 7-minute scene using the almost-retired CAPS.

People: *SCREAMING*

Some Guy: Disney has become emo & gothic for using a 7-minute scene under Pinocchio!

[Beast_enchantment]

my guess is we'll see the existing SE bonuses with probably one or two new featurettes to make the SE owners double-dip,

i had heard that they're planning to create a virtual castle using new technology for the blu-ray release. obviously this is a promotional tool used to get consumers on the blu-ray wagon. luckily for me i'm already on it, lol

[SwordInTheStone777]

Blu-Ray is overrated!

[UncleEd]

I went to an EXTREMELY liberal arts school and they hated Disney because it's traditional I guess. I think that professor was a perverted horny old lady because she saw sex everywhere. There was a Sears ad of a bed and she tried to show us that the lighting spelled out the F-word. Then she showed us a Christmas tree with ribbon on it and claimed it spelled sex. The best one though was a guy's hand holding a lotion bottle and she said it was a guy's manhood because it was too hairy to be a hand.


I remember being at Disney World in 1996 and they showed Aladdin with the original lyrics and everyone got quiet for that part and gasped and giggled. It too has obtained forbidden Disney status. I personally think it's funny and maybe there's even some truth to it. If they'll put you to death for naming a teddy bear Mohamed then I can easily believe they'd cut off your ear if they didn't like your face. I think the redub doesn't match the voice actor and I wonder if it's the same guy. They should have addressed this story on the DVD too. And has anyone ever heard the Arabian Nights opening song uncut? The Aladding TV show lyrics are supposed to come from it and I'd like to hear it complete in context. The reprises are all that have been released in demo form as far as I'm aware.

"Yes, but what about the case of Bedknobs and Broomsticks? Disney forced them to cut it down to 117 minutes for its theatrical release and so it could run at Radio City Music Hall. It wasn't until the 1996 restoration that 22 minutes were integrated back in (the sole exception being "A Step in the Right Direction", which the video portion was lost). Also, I'm sure fans of Legend would agree that the added 22 minutes makes for a better, but still imperfect, picture. Wink "

Bedknobs is a different case because it was cut due to studio politics, not because of a director's vision.

[Mermaid Kelly]

my guess is we'll see the existing SE bonuses with probably one or two new featurettes to make the SE owners double-dip,

i had heard that they're planning to create a virtual castle using new technology for the blu-ray release. obviously this is a promotional tool used to get consumers on the blu-ray wagon. luckily for me i'm already on it, lol

That's neat.. I really don't have the money to get all hdtv/blu ray right now, but I will be sure to pick up the Sleeping Beauty disc so I will have it when I do.

But anyway I do believe platinum releases have gone downhill...I haven't even been anticipating them much anymore...it sucks. I've got to work on getting my "Disney Spirit" back like in the days when I would post on this site daily!