I Would Like to Know... (Who Here is Gay?)

[MadonnasManOne]

Lazario, what he was trying to say is that it's a choice. People who say they are homosexual because they were born that way are just in denial, which I find confusing IF there's nothing to be ashamed of. It's been proven scientifically that there is no gene or biological factor in homosexuality. It's a CHOICE.

Not true. It is not a choice, at least for most people who are homosexual.

Trust me, why would ANYONE wake up, one day, and decide...

"Hey, I think I'll be gay. Sure, I'll be gay. That way, I can have people telling me I'm going to hell. I can have someone bash my head in, because they think I was checking them out. I'll cause pain to my family. And, at the end of the day, I might end up dead, because someone hates me."

Yeah, it's certainly a choice.

Good one, but try again.

[Lazario]

I hate to say it, but that's not really what Eric is saying. He's saying it's a choice to (do) someone or not. Which of course it is, but it's not right to say someone is wrong for making the choice to rather than not to. Because ask a damn straight person how hard it is not to, they'll tell you it's absolutely impossible, if of course they're of the faculties to have intercourse that is. And of course since they don't know how much gay people want to, they think it must be easier to turn down a member of one's own sex- because straight people want a member of their opposite gender. Gay people have more sex, and in turn want it more, because of the oppression by society. They're forced to live extended nightlives. And when they try to have a relationship, each couple runs into homophobic institutions left and right- it's not a wonder why most gay marriages just don't work out.

[MadonnasManOne]

It's clear as day. He said, "It's a CHOICE".

Homosexuality is NOT a choice, and I do not care what ANYONE says.

[Lazario]

Of course you know I don't agree with that statement either, right, my being gay and all. But anyway, he's gone on in posts after that one in this topic, to say that he believes the act of sex is the area of choice. Not desire.

[Prince Eric]

Lazario, what he was trying to say is that it's a choice. People who say they are homosexual because they were born that way are just in denial, which I find confusing IF there's nothing to be ashamed of. It's been proven scientifically that there is no gene or biological factor in homosexuality. It's a CHOICE.

Not true. It is not a choice, at least for most people who are homosexual.

Trust me, why would ANYONE wake up, one day, and decide...

"Hey, I think I'll be gay. Sure, I'll be gay. That way, I can have people telling me I'm going to hell. I can have someone bash my head in, because they think I was checking them out. I'll cause pain to my family. And, at the end of the day, I might end up dead, because someone hates me."

Yeah, it's certainly a choice.

Good one, but try again.

Yes, they still CHOOSE to do so. The very well could suppress those feelings and go the other way. Nice use of poor rhetoric.

[Alan]

Not true. It is not a choice, at least for most people who are homosexual.

Trust me, why would ANYONE wake up, one day, and decide...

"Hey, I think I'll be gay. Sure, I'll be gay. That way, I can have people telling me I'm going to hell. I can have someone bash my head in, because they think I was checking them out. I'll cause pain to my family. And, at the end of the day, I might end up dead, because someone hates me."

Yeah, it's certainly a choice.

Good one, but try again.

Yes, they still CHOOSE to do so. The very well could suppress those feelings and go the other way. Nice use of poor rhetoric.

I'm sorry, but the fact that people choose to be gay and a homosexual is NOT true. You probably aren't gay or bisexual, so you wouldn't know such things.

I know that I'm at least partly Bi-sexual and I can't choose to be 100% straight.

[orestes.]

You can't choose to be or not to be but you can choose or not to choose to act on your feelings.

That's all. Geez I'm not contributing anything today.

[MadonnasManOne]

Yes, they still CHOOSE to do so. The very well could suppress those feelings and go the other way. Nice use of poor rhetoric.

Prince Eric, do not insult me. My intention was not to insult you. It was meant to inform you that your statement has no basis in fact.

You can say that homosexuality is a choice, until you are blue in the face. Unless you are homosexual, you have no proof that it is, or is not, a choice.

I can tell you, I never chose to be gay. I didn't just decide, one day, that I think I'll try being attracted to the same sex. I didn't decide to fall in love with a man. I am who I am, and telling me that it is a choice is ridiculous.

You might as well tell me that I chose to be male. I didn't. That's who I am.

So, unless you have stood in my shoes (and, countless others), do not tell me that I chose to be gay. Thank you.

Telling those who are homosexual to suppress their feelings, is also ridiculous! That's like telling heterosexuals to suppress their urge to be with the opposite sex.

[Little Red Henski]

Telling those who are homosexual to suppress their feelings, is also ridiculous! That's like telling heterosexuals to suppress their urge to be with the opposite sex.

Most Priest and Nuns are able to surpress there urges.

[MadonnasManOne]

Telling those who are homosexual to suppress their feelings, is also ridiculous! That's like telling heterosexuals to suppress their urge to be with the opposite sex.

Most Priest and Nuns are able to surpress there urges.

Yeah, we know how some Priests suppress their urges, but that's another story. Also, there are Priests, and Nuns, that are homosexual, and do not have sex.

Priests and Nuns take a vow of celibacy, and they choose to take this vow, because of their religious beliefs.

In general, heterosexuals and homosexuals do not take a vow of celibacy. So, you are comparing apples and oranges.

[Escapay]

You can't choose to be or not to be but you can choose or not to choose to act on your feelings.

That's all. Geez I'm not contributing anything today.

You're wrong, orestes! You contributed by agreeing with me in that people can choose whether or not to act on their feelings.

Attracted is one thing, but is there excitment attached to it

In my case, no. I was hoping that what I was saying in my earlier post that there's nothing wrong in finding the human body attractive, be it a male finding another male attractive or a woman finding another woman attractive.

Everyone is drawn to the human body. Whether it be male or female. As I said before, I'm confident enough in my sexuality to say that Christian Bale is an attractive guy. Would I "do" him? No, because my sexual feelings are not for males. At a soap opera board I used to go to, there'd be various threads about "Which actor/actress would you sleep with" and such, and for some I actually would say things like "Such and such could turn a straight man gay." Does that mean that I'd decide to act on sexual feelings and pounce on Christian Bale if he came towards me in a towel? No, because my sexual feelings are not for males. I have no desire to kiss a male, no desire to sleep with a male. If anything, I can find both sexes attractive, but I'll only act on my feelings with one of them.

Escapay

[orestes.]

I guess I did contritbute. While I agree people can act on their feelings I don't believe they should hide their sexuality whether hetero/homo/bisexual...

Except for those freakin' trisexuals.... haha. Oh boy I'll sound silly if there is actually an obscure term called 'trisexual'.

EDIT:

Hmmm... well I was curious so I went to Dictionary.com to search for the term 'trisexual' and this is what they had to say:

Main Entry: trisexual
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: pertaining to having sex with males, females, and one's self

[Prince Eric]

All I have to say is, whatever! I get exhausted trying to explain something I said ten pages ago over and over again. Basically, what Escapay said. You can be attracted to someone, but the lifestyle and carrying out actions based on urges is a CHOICE. That's "alternative" sexual orientation amounts to. Notice that throughout this thread, I have never said if I was before or against, but people seem to be taking offense when I state the obvious.

[Lucylover1986]

I haven't posted here so I'll let you know how I feel. About all this choosing stuff, you cannot choose to be gay or straight. You're born like that. Yes of course you can choose then after to do whatever you want with your sexuality but you cannot at any age say, ok I'll be straight or I'll be gay. That's ridiculous. I strongly support gay rights and I hope that they can have the same rights as any other person since we all start off the same and end the same way in life. I'm straight too by the way but I know some gay people and actually enjoy their company more than others sometimes.

[eric89]

This is a very emotional subject so I'm going to try to respect both sides as much as possible without denying what I know to be the truth.

I believe that all sin is equal. (Except rejecting Jesus as your savior.) Whether it be a little white lie, murder, stealing a dollar, choosing to break a promise, eating that "extra" piece of candy that dad said not to, or homosexuality. It's all the same! No one is perfect, everyone sins. It seems like a lot of Christians out there choose to condemn, but that's not what Jesus came here to do.

"For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn it, but that the whole world might be saved through Him." John 3:17

Jesus came to save us, not to condemn us. He gives us a choice. Death or Life. The enemy or the Lord. True, we are called to change our ways (repent) but God is there with His mercy each step of the way.

That's all I'm gonna say, I'm done.

[Alice]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

*BASTARDIZATION*

[Lazario]

Basically, what Escapay said. You can be attracted to someone, but the lifestyle and carrying out actions based on urges is a CHOICE ... people seem to be taking offense when I state the obvious.

You are not stating the obvious, to any degree, in any capacity. You're still trying to make an arguement that homosexuality is a choice. Since it is not a choice to feel those feelings (which can not be surpressed, it's how you FEEL, and it's not the same or as easy as training yourself not to yell at someone though that's a feeling too), it's not much of a choice at all to say one can refuse to act on it. It's an INSTINCT. And while one might not always be born with this instinct, the way you will feel ABOUT it is born into you. I believe we pursue the sex we desire as our parents did, because it's naturally an instinctual behavior to act the way your parents do - to in affect do as they do, not necessarily do what they do. Like an animal learns their instincts from their parents, I believe so do humans. So if their parents aren't ashamed to be hetereosexual (and are especially horny), I believe the child will be the same, unless they are not reminded of their natural born instincts through being raised by their substitute parents (adoptive parents, etc.).

In conclusion, it's only as much a choice for homosexuals as it is for heterosexuals. Face it- their desires are the same. After sexual desires involving genders, everything is just a one-person instinct.

[Luke]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

*BASTARDIZATION*

Posts like this don't really contribute anything to the discussion. If you have a point to make, please elaborate on it and do so in a respectful manner. Thanks.

[Alice]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

*BASTARDIZATION*

Posts like this don't really contribute anything to the discussion. If you have a point to make, please elaborate on it and do so in a respectful manner. Thanks.

It does:

The point is that the Author of the thread Is DISGUSTED by the Bastardization of his Thread by Ignorant people who don't know the actual POINT the thread once HAD!

[Just Myself]

I can't help myself, but...