The Tangled world known as Rapunzel part 4

[janesjubilee]

lol really sorry about what I am about too post, but I would like to hear people's opinions on how I wish the ending might have gone, I'll put this in white cause it's basically the ending just with my tweaking


does anyone else wish that they gave Gothel and Rapunzel a bit of closure, I mean I really feel like Gothel learned to love Rapunzel, and there is no way that R could have just totally switched her feelings of her mother after 18 years of a loving relationship.


I really wish that when Gothel was about to fall through the window, Rapunzel would have ran and grabbed her arm or something

They could have had a little moment where Gothel realized that she actually did end up loving R as a daughter and she was just confused and did what she thought she had to to keep her from running away to her true parents and leaving her and hating her forever, and now understanding that she had to let her "daugther" grow up and follow her own dream

R would try to understand and want to save her, but then Gothel would realize that her time was done and that R had to be who she was, so then she would say "I love you Rapunzel", with Rapunzel replying "I love you More!" and Gothel would say "I love you most..." as she let's go of R's grip and falls to her death


Then the rest of the ending, saving Flynn etc. would follow suit


IDK, the relationship was very complex, but they didn't really seem to push it where it could have gone, or what the characters really would have been feeling with all of that

I felt that the whole point was that Gothel really didn't love Rapunzel and only used her for her hair. That way it was much more satisfying when she came home to her real parents and surrounded by true love. Even during Mother Knows Best, she's stroking the hair sayings that she's keeping the hair safe and sound. If she really cared for Rapunzel, she would have brought her back to her parents, or at least trust her to go outside.

Plus, if your mother lied to you for 18 years and killed a person who was just trying to save you, I think you would kind of want her dead. >_>
Plus, she's been living for centuries, it was time for her to go.

Your idea sounds really good, but I just can't see it work in the movie since Gothel had no love for Rapunzel from the beginning.

Just my two cents though.

[skyler888]

I felt that the whole point was that Gothel really didn't love Rapunzel and only used her for her hair. That way it was much more satisfying when she came home to her real parents and surrounded by true love. Even during Mother Knows Best, she's stroking the hair sayings that she's keeping the hair safe and sound. If she really cared for Rapunzel, she would have brought her back to her parents, or at least trust her to go outside.

Plus, if your mother lied to you for 18 years and killed a person who was just trying to save you, I think you would kind of want her dead. >_>
Plus, she's been living for centuries, it was time for her to go.

Your idea sounds really good, but I just can't see it work in the movie since Gothel had no love for Rapunzel from the beginning.

Just my two cents though. Smile

lol yeah i for sure get that, but i just feel like she thought she only loved and needed her for the hair, but realized after years of bonding with this girl that she did love her, and even if the hair was her top priority, there must be some part of her that feels something for Rapunzel, I really don't think there is a way for not too


and I don't think I would think so harshly about my mom lol, especially in R's case as she never knew anyone else but Gothel and that even in her darkest, evilest moments she would still feel for her

[janesjubilee]

I felt that the whole point was that Gothel really didn't love Rapunzel and only used her for her hair. That way it was much more satisfying when she came home to her real parents and surrounded by true love. Even during Mother Knows Best, she's stroking the hair sayings that she's keeping the hair safe and sound. If she really cared for Rapunzel, she would have brought her back to her parents, or at least trust her to go outside.

Plus, if your mother lied to you for 18 years and killed a person who was just trying to save you, I think you would kind of want her dead. >_>
Plus, she's been living for centuries, it was time for her to go.

Your idea sounds really good, but I just can't see it work in the movie since Gothel had no love for Rapunzel from the beginning.

Just my two cents though. Smile

lol yeah i for sure get that, but i just feel like she thought she only loved and needed her for the hair, but realized after years of bonding with this girl that she did love her, and even if the hair was her top priority, there must be some part of her that feels something for Rapunzel, I really don't think there is a way for not too


and I don't think I would think so harshly about my mom lol, especially in R's case as she never knew anyone else but Gothel and that even in her darkest, evilest moments she would still feel for her

Maybe, sadly we'll never know. Which is a nice kind of mystery for us and the characters too.

[pap64]

OK, this is slightly off topic, but I have to mention something...

Tangled is out. The merchandise is out in stores. The movie is apparently doing great in theaters... And Rapunzel is NOT represented on the Disney Princess website yet!

This just puzzles me. Rapunzel might be more successful than Princess and the Frog, and Disney hasn't even made mentioned of Rapunzel being a princess.

I guess they REALLY want to avoid selling this movie as a Princess movie, and might add Rapunzel later after the film has left theaters.

[blackcauldron85]

I saw the film last night. I loved it! Funny, heartwarming, sad, exciting, adventurous, romantic...*sigh* It was great. I may be seeing it again Saturday with another friend, so it'll be good to see it again, and I'll need to see it a few more times to see how it ranks. I don't know if I'd put it in my sacred Top 5, though (I hate to compare them, since they are their own films, but I find The Princess and the Frog to be such a powerful, magical film for me, that I think I like that one more, but I absolutely loved Tangled, too). So, I think this isn't one of my absolute favorites, but it's probably in the top-ish area of my favorites list...

"I See the Light" was just magical on screen. Absolutely magical.

Gothel's demise was quite nice...one of the best endings for a villain in any Disney film, I think.

What was with the purple cloth with the sun on it, and then Rapunzel saw the sun image in her room everywhere, and then she was psychic...???

My, what large eyes Rapunzel has! We knew this, and they are gorgeous eyes, but a few times I was thinking, damn, those are some big eyes!

At one point, for a split second, it almost looked like Rapunzel's eye wasn't animated 100% right, like the iris extended past the eyelash area...? I was tired, though, and ate way too much popcorn, so maybe I was just seeing things.

The end credits credited the voice actor as the voice of "Stabbington Brother", not plural...?

I had read people here mentioning Flynn singing in "I've Got a Dream", but honestly, I never knew that his part was sung by him until I saw the film...I haven't looked at the word booklet much, I guess.

I remember PATF getting a 'A'----and Tangled is by FAR the better film. Way to fail, EW. >:T

Well, I still love The Princess and the Frog. But I'm waiting to see if Tangled will live up to the Disney tradition.

One film doesn't have to be "better" than the other- they can co-exist!

Only one issue: did I completely black out for a minute, or is the first reprise of When Will My Life Begin NOT in the movie?????

Yeah, when the second reprise came on, I was thinking...wait, she didn't sing the first one!!!

As for the 3D...stunning.

I was going to see it in 2D, but my local theater didn't even have that as an option! I liked how the 3D gave depth, but it wasn't cheesy at all.

You kind of forget about it a lot actually and just get caught up in the story, every now and then noticing the detail of the forest or the tower.

I completely agree!

(the girls next to me were crying at the end and so was I).

I cried, too...

Gothel is EVIL! she is definitely a top villain, she is much scarier then a lot of villains as she has a very realistic relationship with R.

I LOVED Gothel. Definitely up there in my top villains list!

For anyone complaining about the modern language I was ONLY really bothered by the use of "freak out".

That did stick out to me, too...but it was okay, because Rapunzel is adorable.

Ang Gothel! The complete diva!! Best villain since... I don't know! But I like her more than Frollo!

I agree! She's very different from Frollo, yet obviously they both have the underlying theme of keeping your adopted kid trapped away in a tall building, but I do like Gothel more than Frollo...maybe it was her divaness, as you said...

I would have rather seen a wedding. Some of the concept art showed one! My sister complained about that as well even without seeing concept art.

I agree. Was the production so rushed that they couldn't put that in...For those who have seen the film, were any of you left wanting to see what Flynn was talking about in this prologue/epilogue? I was. I wanted to see the wedding...like, why just mention it and not show it?

Regardless, the lantern scene is probably the most beautiful scene ever.

I knew that I'd love this scene once I heard "I See the Light"...the scene definitely lived up to and surpassed my expectations. This might have to be my second favorite Disney scene ever, after "A Whole New World". Love, love, love it!!!

Every moment of the film was used to advance the plot. There wasn't any filler at all. But I still felt like the pacing might have been too fast? I'm not sure but it might have been because I watched every single video they released so many times. So I was waiting for those scenes to pass to watch something new XD

It definitely seemed to zoom by with no filler, which was welcome. I don't know what it was about the pacing, but I did notice that there was *something* about the pacing. If that makes sense. I wasn't necessarily waiting for the scenes that I had seen to be over, since I was so glad to be seeing them on the big screen and in context, but I totally understand what you mean!

There was this one little girl in front of me who, every time a lantern showed up, would reach as far as she could to try to touch it...It was really cute lol.

I went with my friend and her 5 year old daughter, and she did the same thing!

Also a minor thing regarding the ending that everyone probably noticed but why didn't the blade have any blood on it? The movie got a PG rating after all. I don't think a bit more blood would be pushing it to PG13

I noticed that, too...I have no explanation, but it definitely stuck out...and on that note, I totally gasped at Flynn's wound. Wow. Poor guy.

does anyone else wish that they gave Gothel and Rapunzel a bit of closure, I mean I really feel like Gothel learned to love Rapunzel, and there is no way that R could have just totally switched her feelings of her mother after 18 years of a loving relationship.

I felt that Gothel didn't love Rapunzel all that much. I felt that maybe she did when she was going to go on the 3-day journey to get the paint, but everything else...she was just using her! I'm sure she felt somewhat warmly about Rapunzel, but she was just cruel...and I think that Rapunzel was probably in "shock" (not the best word for how she probably was feeling, though) about everything that had been recently happening to her, so I think that Gothel's death was just one more thing to add to her "I will need a therapist" list...I mean, that was a LOT to go through in such a short time for such a sheltered girl!

I really wish that when Gothel was about to fall through the window, Rapunzel would have ran and grabbed her arm or something

I'm glad that she didn't. I think maybe Rapunzel realized that she needed to let that part of her life go. I mean, she did say that she would never stop fighting to get away from Gothel, so it was healthy for her to not try and save Gothel.

I felt that the whole point was that Gothel really didn't love Rapunzel and only used her for her hair. That way it was much more satisfying when she came home to her real parents and surrounded by true love.

Yes...I loved that. LOVED that. How Rapunzel was stuck in a world where she had NEVER known real love from anyone, and then she had love from Flynn and her real parents. Such a warm, fuzzy feeling at that part!!!

[alanzanella]

One more upadate
Another update from the previous link:

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/first-b ... -expected/

[Fairytales]

I have to wait 8 more days, i'm going to see it at Friday next week...
You make me so jealous xD I'm looking forward to 'The Tear Heals' scene, though i already know how it goes by listening to the music...

[Fairytales]

btw.I heard somewhere that Flynn says:

'The party lasted for an entire week, and to be honest... i don't remember most of it.'

LOL Got a little drunk there?

oh and the tangled website has updated flynn and rapunzel. They now move and flynn leans toward rapunzel and raises his eyebrows suggestive, and rapunzel rolls her eyes at him xD

[Marce82]

Ok, so I went to see Tangled last night (in 3D). I was tempted to write my thoughts then, but I wanted to let the experience sink in. So here goes. Before I start, please be aware that this is going to be FILLED WITH SPOILERS (still don't know how to turn letters white).

Frankly, I was VERY impressed. The story is incredibly well paced and well structured. The characters all make sense, and nobody is superfluous. Even the minor characters have character arcs.

Going in, I was very afraid. Guy+girl walking from a tower to a kingdom sounds very Shrek-ish. But the editing on this film was brilliant, and it feels nothing like a road trip movie. We only spend time with the characters when it will show a story point or a trait.

I was also thrilled that a lot of the footage on the trailer is actually not in the film: its been pointed out that the shot of Flynn getting squashed by hair at the bottom of the tower never happens in the film (GOOD!!). But what I specially appreciated was that all the scenes where Flynn seems to be being attacked by hair that has a life of its own (making him punch himself in the face...then dragging him off to a dark place in the tower) ALSO wasn't there. The hair is only used in (fairly) logical ways. It does not move by itself, it is Rapunzel making the most of it. I don't mind a lot of the marketing focusing on Flynn, but now that I;ve seen the film, the thing that annoys me the most about the marketing was their choice of contemporary music. That was REALLY out of place.

Visually, the film looks amazing. The hair looks way better on the big screen for some reason. There is weight to it, volume, and even grace. THe forest is not the Shrek-type, overly rendered forest (where everything is in focus). After a first layer of rendered foliage, there are these sort of globs of blue-ish green. it actually DOES look like Fragonard's "the swing", which was the inspiration for the look.

A couple of good things stood out:

- Early on, we see a shot of Rapunzel as a little girl, and she is sneaking to the window. We just see her feet...followed by this huge mass of hair. I don't know why, that felt VERY abusive towards the child. It made me feel like this poor girl had all this weight to carry around, that was being put on her. Really made me feel sorry for her.

- Every time Gothel shows up on screen, she is progressively looking older than the previous sequence she appeared in. And as a side note: the "mother knows best - reprise" was AWESOME. Very theatrical. And aggressive.

- Rapunzel's struggle between wanting her freedom and wanting to be a good daughter was not only funny, but made her a real character.

- The first big chunk of the movie jumped back and forth between Flynn and Rapunzel. Made it feel like two separate plot points speeding towards each other...about to collide (which is brilliant!)

- Even Maximus has a story arc. He begins as a horse (...or a hound...or a person...) who sees the world in black and white. "this is the law, and it has to be upheld no matter what". And Rapunzel appeals to him and convinces him to not be so strict. That this is her only chance, and that the rules need to be able to bend.

- THe songs really get better when put in context in the film. MUCH better. Frankly, I recall having the same experience when Aladdin came out.

- The lantern scene was spectacular, and definitely worth watching in 3-D

- Loved how much of the original fairy tale was left in. THe magic tear in the end IS from the original tale, though in the original, it cures the prince blindness (the witch had taken his eyesight after she discovered he visited Rapunzel, that way he'd never be able to find her again)

WHAT DID I THINK WAS LESS-THAN-GREAT WITH THE MOVIE?

1) THe climax. I didn't mind Rapunzel's change towards Gothel, as it has been posted on here. What I did mind, was that there was no confrontation at all between Flynn and Gothel. Her stabbing him came a little out of nowhere. They should have lengthened the scene a bit.

2) Frankly, Im still not a fan of "i've got a dream". I just plain don't like it.

3) At the end, when Rapunzel meets her real mother... Dear Lord, would it kill them to give the woman a wrinkle or two?? It looked like she was meeting her sister.

4) THE EYES.I happen to think often times they were too big for the characters' faces. SPecially Rapunzel and Gothel. And also (and this applies to all the characters)...they are cross-eyed all the time! Its mild. I'm an animator, and I know you can sometimes get away with it, depending on where the eyes are looking, and where the camera is, but here, they are cross-eyed 95% of the time, and in some shots, it just looks plain bad.

5) This is not something wrong, but something I think could have been better: in the prologue, we see Gothel as an old woman. I think they should have kept her face hidden, so her reveal at the end was stronger. (they could have kept her face hidden by the hood, and show her rejuvenating through her hands, or maybe extreme close ups of her mouth and eyes if necessary, without revealing the whole thing)

OVERALL:

I can't believe I'm gonna write this, but I actually liked it better than "the princess and the frog". THe story is much tighter, and eventhough I LOVE 2-D, I think this one works better in CGI, with the hair being so crucial to the film (lets face it: in 2-D, it would have been a yellow blob).

THis film is no Little Mermaid, but it comes pretty damn close. Story is tight, great pacing, great characters. And for the first time in a long time, I can't wait to see it again, and might actually go again next week.

If I was a real reviewer, I would say: why are you in front of the computer now, instead of getting your tickets to this great movie?!?

[Rapunzel]

TBH i am very glad that didn't have a wedding scene, it just wouldn't have felt true to the characters

You might be right! But they kind of did have a wedding celebration. Or at least that is what I saw with the final scenes. I wish they just would have left off the silly cupid and I would have been happy. Does that make seem better to you, or did you like him floating by?



One of my favorite moments in the movie was the iconic Rapunzel tower with hair floating on the wind. They should have held that moment just a second longer it was so beautiful. Especially because it was such a powerful moment showing her loneliness, wistfulness, and complete isolation.


I saw it in 3D and my only complaint was that the color was darker with those glasses on. I do think the extra money was worth it for the lantern scenes though.


Oh and did anyone else catch how the lanterns lighting up mirrored Rapunzel's hair as it began to glow? I thought that was a very nice touch. Not sure if this is a spoiler so I will put it in white: I thought the suns being the negative space in her art was a very nice touch instead of having her just draw obvious suns everywhere.


The songs were a bit unmemorable and some where far better than others, but I think the imagery makes up for the lack of perfect songs.

It did seem to go by too fast in some places. Mainly I thought the time she had in the tower, the time right when she goes out for the first time and sees the world a new, and the kingdom scenes went too fast. But I understand they can only put so much in and there was a lot to get to.

[Chaz]

This is predicted to bring in just under $70 million for the 5-day Holiday. This is going to just soar past TPatF.

[Rapunzel]

Can someone please tell me when the 2nd reprise was sung? Because I was sure Rapunzel DID sing one of the reprises right before my favorite scene where her hair is hanging in the breeze. I thought it was the first one. And then I thought the next one was when she gets to the ground. I'm sure of it. No? ???


Skylar, I like the idea for your ending. It would have made the tale less dark and could have worked. But I think perhaps Disney was instead being very soft with the much darker issue of kidnapping and brainwashing. I think Disney was trying to very cautiously say Rapunzel has Stockholm syndrome. The chains around her feet with Gothel dragging her at the end was very very dark and was the one thing which clearly said Rapunzel is an abuse victim. However Gothel's biting remarks and anger, and Rapunzel's severe mood changes and guilt when she disobeys, also points toward abuse. Even if it was just emotional.

[RIPJoeRanft]

This is predicted to bring in just under $70 million for the 5-day Holiday. This is going to just soar past TPatF.

In all fairness, there is the 3D surcharge and the rise in movie prices even in the past year to take account of. But yeah, those are promising numbers for Disney Animation nonetheless.

[PatrickvD]

This is predicted to bring in just under $70 million for the 5-day Holiday. This is going to just soar past TPatF.

It's going to double TPatF at this pace.

[PatrickvD]

Box Office Guru reports $11.6 million wednesday for Tangled. It looks like $60 million is locked for the 5-day weekend. It could touch $70 million.

[Rapunzel]

- Early on, we see a shot of Rapunzel as a little girl, and she is sneaking to the window. We just see her feet...followed by this huge mass of hair. I don't know why, that felt VERY abusive towards the child. It made me feel like this poor girl had all this weight to carry around, that was being put on her. Really made me feel sorry for her.

I agree. Had she grown up with her parents she would have had her first haircut at some point and even though it would be a surprise to see it turn brown, her parents would have smiled and held her up to mom to see how truly alike they look.

[wafflenugget]

Gothel's demise was quite nice...one of the best endings for a villain in any Disney film, I think.

I agree. I loved how when she was looking at her reflection she used her cloak to hide her face. It really showed how vain she was.

My, what large eyes Rapunzel has! We knew this, and they are gorgeous eyes, but a few times I was thinking, damn, those are some big eyes!

At one point, for a split second, it almost looked like Rapunzel's eye wasn't animated 100% right, like the iris extended past the eyelash area...? I was tired, though, and ate way too much popcorn, so maybe I was just seeing things.

I didn't notice, but I noticed something with her eyelashes at times. No big deal though. I thought her eyes were gorgeous. Finally a princess with green eyes.

The end credits credited the voice actor as the voice of "Stabbington Brother", not plural...?

Only one of them was speaking. That's why.

I would have rather seen a wedding. Some of the concept art showed one! My sister complained about that as well even without seeing concept art.

I agree. Was the production so rushed that they couldn't put that in...For those who have seen the film, were any of you left wanting to see what Flynn was talking about in this prologue/epilogue? I was. I wanted to see the wedding...like, why just mention it and not show it?

Maybe they didn't want to imply that Rapunzel married at age 18. People get so worked up about that now a days. Like Ariel for example, and how they omitted Jasmine's age in Aladdin. Yeah, I wanted to see Flynn drunk

Regardless, the lantern scene is probably the most beautiful scene ever.

I knew that I'd love this scene once I heard "I See the Light"...the scene definitely lived up to and surpassed my expectations. This might have to be my second favorite Disney scene ever, after "A Whole New World". Love, love, love it!!!

I think it is my favorite, even if the song isn't as great as "A Whole New World". The concept art for that scene was the whole reason why I started following the film, so I think it just holds a special place in my heart because of that

Every moment of the film was used to advance the plot. There wasn't any filler at all. But I still felt like the pacing might have been too fast? I'm not sure but it might have been because I watched every single video they released so many times. So I was waiting for those scenes to pass to watch something new XD

It definitely seemed to zoom by with no filler, which was welcome. I don't know what it was about the pacing, but I did notice that there was *something* about the pacing. If that makes sense. I wasn't necessarily waiting for the scenes that I had seen to be over, since I was so glad to be seeing them on the big screen and in context, but I totally understand what you mean!

I don't know... It just felt like I had seen most of the beginning already. That's what I get for wanting the spoil everything But it made me happy that everyone was laughing at all the right parts.

Also a minor thing regarding the ending that everyone probably noticed but why didn't the blade have any blood on it? The movie got a PG rating after all. I don't think a bit more blood would be pushing it to PG13

I noticed that, too...I have no explanation, but it definitely stuck out...and on that note, I totally gasped at Flynn's wound. Wow. Poor guy.

Yeah, he just got hurt throughout the whole entire movie, didn't he? Was I the only one who didn't expect his wound to heal that way? I thought it would just glow, but it was epic! I was definitely blown away by that scene.

I really wish that when Gothel was about to fall through the window, Rapunzel would have ran and grabbed her arm or something

I'm glad that she didn't. I think maybe Rapunzel realized that she needed to let that part of her life go. I mean, she did say that she would never stop fighting to get away from Gothel, so it was healthy for her to not try and save Gothel.

But didn't she reach out as if to save her? And her expression was so sad for a moment, but then she snapped out of it to try to save Flynn. I thought that was powerful enough. You could definitely tell she still had feelings for Gothel.

[mokka456]

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[PheR]

I would have rather seen a wedding. Some of the concept art showed one! My sister complained about that as well even without seeing concept art.

I agree. Was the production so rushed that they couldn't put that in...For those who have seen the film, were any of you left wanting to see what Flynn was talking about in this prologue/epilogue? I was. I wanted to see the wedding...like, why just mention it and not show it?

Well, I've always thought that in 'Sleeping Beauty' (even though we don't see it in the film either) a wedding right after Aurora returned to her parents was a little unfair to them, I mean, they just recovered her daughter after 16 years of not seeing her at all, and they have to give her up to Phillip already!... it's the same with Rapunzel, actually in this film we get to see their sorrow and the pain for not seeing their daughter, they just need to spend sometime together before any wedding, the girl has got so many things to see. It's just not the same with Cinderella, whom her only escape route was marriage to leave her step daughter and step sisters. We don't see a wedding in Aladdin or Snow White (oh that naughty girl just went to live with the prince), not even in Sleeping Beauty, so I guess Rapunzel was the least princess in the world in the nedd to get trapped (again) in a marriage so soon.

[Fairytales]

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