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Mooky wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:22 am Some additional pics from the Art of Wish book here and here. Some may be spoilery.
Thanks for the pictures!
Mooky wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:22 am Also, it appears that at one point during the development of the movie the Star was able to shapeshift into a human. I haven't read the book myself yet so I don't know how true it is or not, but people speculate the Star may have been intended as a love interest for Asha. There are concept art pics of human Star and Asha. I think it would have been an interesting idea to explore, but maybe a bit too similar to Raya.
I don't think it's a spoiler since it's not part of the final movie and Jennifer Lee already revealed part of it in interviews. Apparently, according to the book, there were three earlier versions of Star in which the character was quite different. Here's concept art of the previous versions and some info:
On the way to achieving the final design, Star underwent four developmental phases. In phase one, Star assumed various human forms. In phase two, Star became an ethereal, magical shape-shifter. Phase three saw Star descending to Earth as a younger representation of Asha's beloved grandfather, Sabino, who passed away in a former version of the story. Star is also a shape-shifter in this version. In phase four, the final iteration, Star becomes an irrepressible life force, the embodiment of pure joy, light, positivity, and inspiration.

I designed a human character, part magical, part glowing, inspired a bit by Peter Pan. I also designed another version of Star with a face that had some of the proportions, openness, and charm of Mickey Mouse, to bring some of Walt Disney's inspiration into a legacy project." -Bill Schwab, ART DIRECTOR, CHARACTER

When Star was a shape-shifter, when Star could talk, we kept asking ourselves, How is Star different from the genie in Aladdin? Once Star became a mime character, it was brain- breaking and so liberating. Now Star and Asha have an emotional journey. They are soulmates. -Allison Moore, WRITER
I don't think there was going to be a romance between Star and Asha in a previous iteration of the story, but I wonder if the genderfluid character Grace Randolph talked about was one of these earlier versions of Star.

One thing from the book that's a bit more spoilery is that Queen Amaya was going to be an evil coconspirator with Magnifico at first. You can read about it at this point of the flipthrough video. I wonder if they took inspiration from the Catholic Monarchs to create the royal couple.
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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:33 am Ne Wish TV spot with Star looking like Winnie the Pooh in a red fluffy sweater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mwy6x8opo0
Something tells me Sakina made that little sweater for Star, so that she must find out about Star at some point in the movie before the final battle.
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I just started reading the art book (I flipped through it when it came a couple nights ago). I'll post more (although I know cool things like Star's evolution have already been posted!) if I see something, but I wanted to share this:

Page 9 (Foreward):
Many ideas came and went, making space for what we have on-screen today. From our hero initially living in a remote, hidden town, to our teens being a group of rebels hanging out in a hidden lair, to Amaya being a hundred-year-old outcast queen wishing to restore her rule-- so many ideas ended up being cut or reworked."
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All the concept art looks better than the final movie 😭😭😭😭

Like all the other versions of each character are miles better

It's like Encanto that the concept art book had amazing designs and they went with the most basic ones, also I preferred Mirabel going in a bus around Colombia instead of "adventures in the house"

Btw black North africans exist, not denying that, they totally exist and existed, but they never acknowledge that 99% of black people in the mediterranean are of west african origin and not tuaregs, Tuareg are a very small group of people

Edit: I just checked numbers and tuaregs are not that small, they have a decent number around many countries, still my point is the same, in the sea towns of the mediterranean most black people are of west african origin

Edit2: wow all the super racist white North africans who are angry Asha is tuareg and not a blonde pale kabyle.

Also I don't like how they are appropiating OUR MOVIE (I mean iberians) like if me as an spaniard saying Encanto is my movie because Spain colonized Colombia, yes Wish has a ton of North african things, duh they colonized us (well in my case my dad is north african, so I colonized myself?)
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So then, if I understand correctly, Asha will be half Iberian on her father’s side and half Berber on her mother’s side. Hmm...
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carolinakid wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:34 am So then, if I understand correctly, Asha will be half Iberian on her father’s side and half Berber on her mother’s side. Hmm...
Amazigh* Berber is considered kinda offensive since the name comes from Barbarian and violent and savage

Her mother is a tuareg amazigh and his dad is someone born in the Iberian Peninsula (they use those words for her father and Sabino, same for Magnifico and Amaya)

I guess to remember that the iberian peninsula is diverse, specially during that time

Anyways I hate that the concept art are more ethnically correct; like search Al Andalus clothes and you will see that the actual costumes are more like british medieval then andalusi
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I remember the Walt Disney short The Blue Men of Morocco from 1957. It was paired with the 1957 rerelease of Cinderella.
It was part of the studios’ People and Places series, a collection of 17 shorts that were released between 1953 and 1960.

So Asha’s mother comes from this Berber culture perhaps...
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carolinakid wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:18 am I remember the Walt Disney short The Blue Men of Morocco from 1957. It was paired with the 1957 rerelease of Cinderella.
It was part of the studios’ People and Places series, a collection of 17 shorts that were released between 1953 and 1960.

So Asha’s mother comes from this Berber culture perhaps...
She's a tuareg, they exist in Morocco but they're more common in Níger, Mauritania, Lybia etc
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More from The Art of Wish, by Stephen Rebello and Kimmer Baughman, Chronicle Books, ©2023. I'll keep posting more as I go through the book.

Pages16-17: "... multiculturalism...through languages...it feels natural that multiple languages would be used within one family. So we asked Lior Lev and Noor Rasoul, story artists who are from the respective cultures, to help us with the Hebrew and Arabic terms of endearment..."

Page 18- Sabino is Asha's great-grandfather.

Page 31- Magnifico's desk items come to life like "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"

Page 34- Widescreen = Sleeping Beauty

Page 34- "... placing the king in the center of the screen, as well as having symmetry, and straight, architectural lines. In the song, we pretty much followed Magnifico around like Aurora."- Emily Xu, Story Artist

Page 38- "Nestled in the beech tree forest just outside the city of Rosas, the Hamlet is the charming village where [Asha] lives... harkening back to the forest and cottage in" SW&t7D.

Page 43: "...story change...after we designed the Hamlet. It used to be a hidden refuge. Asha and her community were hiding in the forest far away from Magnifico, so he couldn't find them and steal their wishes."- Lisa Keene

"In that version, Asha's community built the village...after fleeing...Rosas, and lived off what they could find in the forest, making pine cone-flour bread and cultivating various dairy products. - David Womersley

"...there was a brief moment when the Hamlet might have been cut...it was such a beloved location, the team repurposed it as a suburb of Rosas."

Page 46- there is a wishing well

Page 50- "Asha is of North African and European descent." - Michael Giaimo

Page 51- "...Sakina is a weaver... spinning wheel...[where] Valentino's sweaters come from." -MG

Page 54- Hamlet vegetation inspired by Eyvind Earle/SB.

Page 19- "Walt Disney spent countless childhood hours on his family's...farm lying under a giant cottonwood he called the "Dreaming Tree"."

Page 56- Burbank has a tree where "people write their wishes on little strips of paper and leave them at the base of the trunk...plus [Walt's tree] made Asha's Wishing Tree feel almost kismet." - Fawn Veerasunthorn

Page 56- "In an earlier iteration... Asha's community write their wishes on strips of cloth and tied them to the Wishing Tree. These colorful ribbon-like wishes came to life around Asha as she made her wish. - Lisa Keene

Page 57- "The filmmakers loved the original visual of ribbons encircling Asha, and asked for colorful petals to blow in the wind when Asha makes a wish. The vines were my way of supporting that moment. - Brian Woods, Visual Development Artist

Page 58- "Rosas is a combination of Pinocchio's village and every castle we've ever done." -Lisa Keene
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D82 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:26 pmOne thing from the book that's a bit more spoilery is that Queen Amaya was going to be an evil coconspirator with Magnifico at first. You can read about it at this point of the flipthrough video. I wonder if they took inspiration from the Catholic Monarchs to create the royal couple.
With the Spanish inspired setting, I’ve been wondering that, too, re: Ferdinand and Isabella.
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I hope the movie is very successful successful we get a short film like Tangled and Frozen where the characters change clothes, because the other costumes for Asha (and hairstyles) are miles better

And I also like one of the previous hairstyles for Amaya (also in the book it says that her original name was Charo, but she can still be Charo Amaya

Amaya can be a name (normally written Amaia) but its mostly a last name, so she can be Charo Amaya
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Pokenonbinary wrote: also in the book it says that her original name was Charo, but she can still be Charo Amaya

Amaya can be a name (normally written Amaia) but its mostly a last name, so she can be Charo Amaya
Page 126 of the art book says Amaya's cat, who was in an earlier version, was named Charo...not Amaya.
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I’m kind of glad..... for many people the name Charo reminds us of the Spanish actress, singer, flamenco guitarist and “Cuchi-Cuchi” lady!
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carolinakid wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:29 pm I’m kind of glad..... for many people the name Charo reminds us of the Spanish actress, singer, flamenco guitarist and “Cuchi-Cuchi” lady!
That would have made the cat super iconic

Cuchi Cuchi lady is so iconic and she was the voice of an animated character so it's cartoon history
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reee9948 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:26 pm New tv spot https://twitter.com/portalwishbr/status ... 6143028566
There's a clear reference to Cinderella there at the beginning.
blackcauldron85 wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:21 am I just started reading the art book (I flipped through it when it came a couple nights ago). I'll post more (although I know cool things like Star's evolution have already been posted!) if I see something, but I wanted to share this:

Page 9 (Foreward):
Many ideas came and went, making space for what we have on-screen today. From our hero initially living in a remote, hidden town, to our teens being a group of rebels hanging out in a hidden lair, to Amaya being a hundred-year-old outcast queen wishing to restore her rule-- so many ideas ended up being cut or reworked."
Thanks for posting all that info from the book! It's curious that some of the things we speculated were actually considered by the filmmakers at some point. Asha having her own community which is being sought by Magnifico is similar to something Farerb said, and we also theorized the queen could be the real ruler of Rosas and Asha and her friends would help her regain the throne. Some also thought she would be evil, which she was going to be initially. It's also good to have confirmation Sabino is Asha's great-grandfather, and not her grandfather.
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