Frozen: Part V

[Lady Cluck]

Are we sure BH6 will even come out then? There's barely been any news about that yet and people already want news about movies coming after...

[DisneyEra]

Are we sure BH6 will even come out then? There's barely been any news about that yet and people already want news about movies coming after...

Someone posted this image of a BH6 teaser poster & Inside out. This pic I believe is from "The Hat Building" inside the lobby. As you can see, BH6 has 2014 below it's logo.

[Lady Cluck]

Yeah it seems like production is well under way. I guess I just find it strange there hasn't been any news about the cast.

[DisneyEra]

Yeah it seems like production is well under way. I guess I just find it strange there hasn't been any news about the cast.

Yeah, that's been a total mystery.

[disneyprincess11]

Yeah it seems like production is well under way. I guess I just find it strange there hasn't been any news about the cast.

Yeah, that's been a total mystery.

And we heard about Idina, Kristen, and Josh (leaked, unofficial) around this time last year, so that is so odd. I'm sure we'll get something shortly with FROZEN's popularity .

[Sotiris]

This pic I believe is from "The Hat Building" inside the lobby.

It's not from the Hat Building. It's from The Magic of Disney Animation building at Disney's Hollywood Studios in WDW.

[Lady Cluck]

Some were even reported as early as March 2012

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/k ... ute-296847

[Super Aurora]

I also appreciated the gay subtext.

Wait what?

I had already spoiled myself on the villain reveal, but it still left me cold. It was just kind of bizarre and uneventful, like a twist for the sake of a twist. If anything, Hans should have been given a better reason for his heel-turn, maybe because he truly believed Elsa was a menace (you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that). As it is now, it's sort of lame.

While love twist like this and knew about it, it didn't seems as mind blowing as I had hoped or anticipated, even with subtle hints here and there in the film that I picked up.. I was hoping more along the likes of Aizen's from Bleach. Now THAT one was fucking awesome and genius. But it's hard for many villains live up to the greatness of Aizen.

I also kinda wish there was more of an eventful fight or something with Hans. While his planning and calculating was well done when rewatching the movie to pick the pieces up, I think he should of gotten some action or some "holy shit life or death!" epic fight sequence. Kinda like Frollo's had in Hunchback.

Songs were great, better than PatF's and Tangled's for sure. Standouts for me were "Let It Go" (visuals were amazing), "Love Is An Open Door", and the end part of "Do You Want To Build A Snowman". I didn't like the schmaltziness of "For The First Time In Forever" and its reprise(s), and "Fixer-Upper" sounded better in that snippet (still nice, though). "In Summer" was meh, but I liked the Sherman Brothers-esque vibe to it. I haven't seen the English language version yet, so my opinion on the songs may change.

I'm gonna disagree with you on "For The First Time In Forever". I think that was one of the best songs in the film to me especially the last verse(the one used in the trailer).

I think my main nitpick with the music is how close together the songs where to the next and also that a huge chunk of it was in the first half of the movie. I think movies are better when the songs are much more spread out within the movie. Lion King is perfect example that is set in certain places that help establish a story point. It help make the film much more well constructed and "balanced". Frozen did very very similar to what PatF did in that it paced the movie way too fast making the scenery go by too quickly too. The point of songs is help a story point go through quicker to transits to the next scene or story point. When you have songs too much and close together from one another it, it makes the story flow too quickly and not give the audience enough time to absorb in the story and characters well enough.

But I think the songs being WAY better than PatF's shit tier(except for Friends on the Other Side) songs help made me forgive this nitpick.

What annoyed me?
- Marshmallow plot-point was stupid

He had a plot point? All I saw him as was a monster created to keep visitors out. Nothing more or less. I wasn't expecting him to become any sort of character per se.

- some of the pacing was strange (the songs seemed to follow one another by mere minutes)

Yes agree. as I mention above.

- I didn't like how the source of Elsa's powers was left unexplained, why didn't Anna or any other family member have similar powers?

Yeah i thought about this but then I was eh, not something I need to dwell on. It would of been great or nice of this explanation though.

But the real reason she has them is because she's a filthy Mutant!

it was too much like X-Men

HA. You know when watch this movie I keep saying in the back of my head, "dude if she only could have just met Professor X, that whole story would of been solved in within the first few minute."

I gotta draw a parody comic about this.

(even Elsa's power display alternated between Iceman's, Rogue's and Wolverine's);

Iceman's is obvious which I could see(though she no where even near Iceman's powers. That guy is one of the most powerful mutants on Earth- Omega level. SERIOUSLY), But I fail to see where her powers resemble Wolverines or Rogue's? Wolverine has keen smell senses, healing factor, bone claws. Rogue's is that she absorbed people's powers and mind when touching someone(I guess the only similarity is the wearing gloves help restrict her powers somehow).

- the royal family was basically living by themselves, it almost seemed like they weren't (or even needed to be) royals. Nobility, yes, but royals no. I mean, none of the servants ever noticed anything strange? King and queen riding off to see the trolls by themselves? I guess it was Disney's way of having a cake (read: princess) and eating it too.

Eh, not all royalty had to be ever grandeur like Cinderella's or Aurora's. Hell BatB is similar in that a prince and his subject somehow went unnoticed of existence by town folks. Frozen's is a similar situation that I think can easily be over looked and in fact I think is actually more believable and possible compared to BatB's

- in parts, it definitely felt like on of the cheap Barbie movies -- very sappy.

Nah. Though you should watch Barbie: Life in a Dream House. That show if freaking awesome and god tier.

- Elsa sure did learn to master her powers in a record time, didn't she? Some roughness to her creations would have been welcomed, they were way too polished (but I get it -- computer graphics, wow factor, etc.)

I think that other poster explained it easily. It was reflected by her mood and emotional sway.

- I felt the story lost some of its gravity by having the plot be stretched over what seemed like only two or three days. I would have preferred a longer period of threat/winter, like 5 to 10 years or so, maybe by having Elsa run off when she's a teenager, and Anna looking for her when she comes off age. Current storyline definitely cleared some of my preformed misconceptions of the timeline and the logical problems it would have created (namely, how would/did Elsa survive/stay warm for so long, what would/did she eat?), and that would have irked me even more than what it is like now.

I thought about this while watch the film. And honestly I think it was fine the way it was. The severeness of the winter especially the last act help really signified power and serious threat of the winter.
I guess mthe only think I think they could of done is make Elsa's life in her new palace a little bit longer.. It felt like he time as "the Snow Queen" was rather pretty short. Which I guess I can see why people wished more Elsa screen time.

- general nitpickiness II: unnecessary political (in)correctness - black royalty/nobility at Elsa's coronation dressed in clearly European-influenced fashions. Come on, Disney, you're better than that.

Yeah. Fuck them tumblr shitheads. While there were black back then they were very very rare and few out there.

Oh, and Get a Horse! was too much fun!

That was really awesome and loves it!


other than the stuff I said to mooky which i mention some of my nitpicks on, I really loves this movie! The songs were way better than Tangled's or PatF's as a whole. And the story was well done. Is it better than tangled or Patf? I would say Tangled's and Frozen's story aren't really that comparable and love them both for different reasons and aspects. PatF's was just meh.

I love about all the characters! Especially Anna. She so moe. My new waifu. I love her personality and everything about her. Elsa I love but I think should look more mature and older looking. Her eye having the bigness like Anna's, conflict with her type of character. Anna's is suppose to all happy go lucky, positive and cute thus having the big eyes suit her. Elsa's is suppose to me more refine, mature, elegant etc thus the mature older woman look would of been far better choice. Hell even the 2D art of her has a much more mature, older look, and slimmer eyes. She should or look something more along the lines of the first Snow Queen concept art. That one was awesome. I still love that one. I miss it so much. ;_;

[DisneyEra]

This pic I believe is from "The Hat Building" inside the lobby.

It's not from the Hat Building. It's from The Magic of Disney Animation building at Disney's Hollywood Studios in WDW.

Thanks for the info.

[taei]

You know, I've been thinking.. What if Frozen Heart is actually explaining the source of Elsa's powers?
"Born of cold and winter air
And mountain rain combining
This icy force both foul and fair
Has a frozen heart worth mining"

She could have born under the circumstances of cold and winter air with mountain rain combining. And that pretty causes the icy force to be with her..

Just a theory.. >__>

[FlyingPiggy]

I saw it.

IT WAS SUPERB. I'm happy with it on so may levels, I can't wait to see it again (and again, and again, and again...) And the music works really, really, well in the movie!


One thought that won't leave my mind though is...

The TRAGIC missed used the BEAUTIFUL "Vuelie." Using it for the logos it's such a beautiful cultural piece.. it needed to be showcased. Why not take us on a sky tour the summer landscape of Norway? Let us get to know the environment in summer, so we really understand the stakes of having it undertaken by a magical winter?

[taei]

The TRAGIC missed used the BEAUTIFUL "Vuelie." Using it for the logos it's such a beautiful cultural piece.. it needed to be showcased. Why not take us on a sky tour the summer landscape of Norway? Let us get to know the environment in summer, so we really understand the stakes of having it undertaken by a magical winter?

What's more tragic is the Disney castle being the exact same as any other movie...

We should have gotten one made of ice and set in a snowy landscape... >___>

[FlyingPiggy]

The TRAGIC missed used the BEAUTIFUL "Vuelie." Using it for the logos it's such a beautiful cultural piece.. it needed to be showcased. Why not take us on a sky tour the summer landscape of Norway? Let us get to know the environment in summer, so we really understand the stakes of having it undertaken by a magical winter?

What's more tragic is the Disney castle being the exact same as any other movie...

We should have gotten one made of ice and set in a snowy landscape... >___>

I should know this but have they ever done that for a movie? Change the 3D castle?

[taei]

I should know this but have they ever done that for a movie? Change the 3D castle?

POTC 4 and Oz. Not sure if any other movie got the treatment. The POTC 4 one was amazing, they even made moat darker and it had mermaids in it!

[FlyingPiggy]

I should know this but have they ever done that for a movie? Change the 3D castle?

POTC 4 and Oz. Not sure if any other movie got the treatment. The POTC 4 one was amazing, they even made moat darker and it had mermaids in it!

Oooh, okay. I've seen both but I didn't really pay attention. I don't think they were worthy of the extra effort Frozen most def is...

[Mooky]

I had no problem with Elsa's powers being unexplained. I'm actually glad it wasn't. What would it have added to the story? To me it would have just been a mildly interesting but useless piece of information at best. Whether she got them from her magic ancestors or was secretly cursed with them or whatever doesn't matter to the story they're telling one bit. It's not like Rapunzel where the reason for her magic hair is essential to the plot.

I just like my movies to be rational, and yes, even fantasy can be rational – logic can substantiate more fantastic elements in a movie and validate them. Rapunzel's hair (or rather, the flower and the events surrounding its discovery) in Tangled was not explained properly and it's one of the reasons I don't like the movie much. I don't question the reason for existence of magic in Narnia or Harry Potter, or superpowers in superhero comics/films, because they're either well defined within their own universes or it's just the nature of the genre; however, when the entire storyline revolves around the supposed monstrosity of the lead's powers indicating it's not a common occurrence within this universe, I'd expect the filmmakers to touch upon that a bit more. True, it doesn't really affect the plot, but it bugs me and lessens the entertainment value of the movie for me.

- Elsa sure did learn to master her powers in a record time, didn't she? Some roughness to her creations would have been welcomed, they were way too polished (but I get it -- computer graphics, wow factor, etc.)

See.. That's what I thought until i saw it again and then I understood what happened.
The reason Elsa's powers were spiraling out of control is because she feared them.
In let it go, right before she builds her staircase, she says "And the fears that once controlled me, can't get to me at all"
So now that she loves her powers, she is in complete control over them. And the more happy she is about them and about herself in general, the more polished the outcome was. Same thing in The attack on her castle, everything was in shards because she was scared and angry. And when she was in the chamber, her powers aren't clear and polished, they're everywhere.

Her powers are basically the visual representation of her emotions.

It just seemed so abrupt – she was taught to hide her powers all her life, meaning there probably wasn't any time to practice them, and yet she's suddenly an expert. But I guess I can live with the explanation you provided, it really does make sense.

Truthfully, I would have enjoyed those scenes a lot more than some of the business with Anna and Kristoff.

Here are a few ideas:

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/68481465475/

Those are some seriously great concepts, it's a shame we'll never get to see them.

However, I do feel Elsa was slightly undeveloped and she would’ve benefited from a bit more screen time. As far as the two sisters go, she definitely has more growth to go through, and we don’t really get that (the “Let It Go” independence moment feels artificial when she reverts back to being scared and hesitant of herself in every scene afterwards).

That's actually a really good point. I feel it can be explained away by Elsa going through a moment of false sense of security and confidence, because at that point in time she believes she and Arendelle are done for good, and she's finally at peace with herself. It's only after Anna comes and tells her about the extent of her (unintentional) destruction that she realizes that even away from all of that she may never truly be free. But yes, your point still stands.

- general nitpickiness II: unnecessary political (in)correctness - black royalty/nobility at Elsa's coronation dressed in clearly European-influenced fashions. Come on, Disney, you're better than that.

Ummm, not trying to be rude, but you do know there were black people in Europe back then, correct? Granted, it was a small population, but they were around. Some of them were even nobles. Again, it was a small population, but they were there. Plus, "Frozen" is a fairy tale and the kingdom of Arendelle isn't real.

Yes, I'm aware of that. However, a very small -- tiny even -- portion of black people back then had ties to nobility, and they were usually servants, musicians, pages, cooks, or, unfortunately, common slaves. I don't mind black guests at Elsa's coronation; what I do mind and find disrespectful is that their appearance as it is now (Westernized gowns and tuxedos) just screams of whitewashing history and diminishes hardships black people went through in those times in Europe. If they wanted to be politically correct, they could have just had guests from Africa, Asia, etc. there representing their own cultures.The fact that Frozen is a fairytale should not be excused as its setting is very much based on a real world setting (Norway in this example).

I also appreciated the gay subtext.

What are you referring to?

Wait what?

The whole Elsa thing. Being taught to hide who she is because people wouldn’t understand, and then embracing herself/breaking free/coming out in a moment of pure fabulousness. Lyrics of "Let It Go” are also pretty clear on the issue ("Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know", "I don't care what they're going to say" -- the dubbed version I saw also makes reference to "evil tongues"). Of course, this can be applied to a multiple of situations, but given it's Disney AND songwriters of Avenue Q AND Idina Menzel...I thought everyone was more or less aware of this.

Songs were great, better than PatF's and Tangled's for sure. Standouts for me were "Let It Go" (visuals were amazing), "Love Is An Open Door", and the end part of "Do You Want To Build A Snowman". I didn't like the schmaltziness of "For The First Time In Forever" and its reprise(s), and "Fixer-Upper" sounded better in that snippet (still nice, though). "In Summer" was meh, but I liked the Sherman Brothers-esque vibe to it. I haven't seen the English language version yet, so my opinion on the songs may change.

I'm gonna disagree with you on "For The First Time In Forever". I think that was one of the best songs in the film to me especially the last verse(the one used in the trailer).

I don't know, the song to me felt like I was being spoon-fed corn syrup. I mentioned that at times the film felt like one of the Barbie films, and this song sounded just like it came out of one the early ones (i.e. Barbie as The Princess and the Pauper). My opinion of it may change once I listen to the full version in English, but as of now, it's just... blech.

I think my main nitpick with the music is how close together the songs where to the next and also that a huge chunk of it was in the first half of the movie. I think movies are better when the songs are much more spread out within the movie. Lion King is perfect example that is set in certain places that help establish a story point. It help make the film much more well constructed and "balanced". Frozen did very very similar to what PatF did in that it paced the movie way too fast making the scenery go by too quickly too. The point of songs is help a story point go through quicker to transits to the next scene or story point. When you have songs too much and close together from one another it, it makes the story flow too quickly and not give the audience enough time to absorb in the story and characters well enough.

Yes, definitely agreed on all of this.

What annoyed me?
- Marshmallow plot-point was stupid

He had a plot point? All I saw him as was a monster created to keep visitors out. Nothing more or less. I wasn't expecting him to become any sort of character per se.

Not an actual plot-point from the character standpoint, but from the movie's. He was just a stupid throwaway character that practically didn't even need to be there, let alone speak. Elsa could have just blizzarded them away.

(even Elsa's power display alternated between Iceman's, Rogue's and Wolverine's);

Iceman's is obvious which I could see(though she no where even near Iceman's powers. That guy is one of the most powerful mutants on Earth- Omega level. SERIOUSLY), But I fail to see where her powers resemble Wolverines or Rogue's? Wolverine has keen smell senses, healing factor, bone claws. Rogue's is that she absorbed people's powers and mind when touching someone(I guess the only similarity is the wearing gloves help restrict her powers somehow).

I worded myself poorly. Yes, the Rogue part refers to wearing gloves and being afraid of physical contact, and the Wolverine part refers to Elsa pinning one of the guards to the wall with her icicles and then protruding one of them closer to his face (there's a similar scene in the first X-Men film). Iceman's powers are obviously the dominant influence.

- the royal family was basically living by themselves, it almost seemed like they weren't (or even needed to be) royals. Nobility, yes, but royals no. I mean, none of the servants ever noticed anything strange? King and queen riding off to see the trolls by themselves? I guess it was Disney's way of having a cake (read: princess) and eating it too.

Eh, not all royalty had to be ever grandeur like Cinderella's or Aurora's. Hell BatB is similar in that a prince and his subject somehow went unnoticed of existence by town folks. Frozen's is a similar situation that I think can easily be over looked and in fact I think is actually more believable and possible compared to BatB's

I knew someone would bring BatB up . I thought the difference compared to BatB was that the prince had an entire castle full of servants tending to him (I don't really take the stained glass depiction of prince opening the door to the beggar woman by himself in the prologue at face value --- it's obviously there for the sake of an epic feel), and that the effect of the spell caused the town to forget about the existence of the castle. The castle itself wasn't at a walking distance of the town either. Here it just seemed silly. This is a royal court, not just some royal countryside mansion, and nobody noticed huge snow heaps in the hall? But I guess I'm just fussy like that.

- in parts, it definitely felt like on of the cheap Barbie movies -- very sappy.

Nah. Though you should watch Barbie: Life in a Dream House. That show if freaking awesome and god tier.

Oh, I know, Barbie: Life in the Dreamhouse is gold, I love it. I was talking about movies like the aforementioned Barbie as The Princess and the Pauper or Barbie and the Diamond Castle. Sappiness and saccharine abound.

I guess mthe only think I think they could of done is make Elsa's life in her new palace a little bit longer.. It felt like he time as "the Snow Queen" was rather pretty short. Which I guess I can see why people wished more Elsa screen time.

Nah, you're not alone on this one. It appears to be the common complaint about the film.

[PatrickvD]

I just noticed Disney will have 5 movies grossing over $200 million at the American Box Office.

One more complaint about their marketing and I will explode. They're ruling over Hollywood and all the other studios are on the sidelines now.

[Fran]

Friday numbers: 27.7-28.5 m (estimate)

First Tangled friday was $19,548,825

[PatrickvD]

Friday numbers: 27.7-28.5 m (estimate)

First Tangled friday was $19,548,825

Frozen has a legitimate shot at $300 million due to the winter theme (christmas) and zero competition in the family entertainment department. The market is wide open.

It would join the elite ranks of The Lion King and Finding Nemo as the only non sequel animated features to gross north of $300 million.

[disneyprincess11]

You know, I've been thinking.. What if Frozen Heart is actually explaining the source of Elsa's powers?
"Born of cold and winter air
And mountain rain combining
This icy force both foul and fair
Has a frozen heart worth mining"

She could have born under the circumstances of cold and winter air with mountain rain combining. And that pretty causes the icy force to be with her..

Just a theory.. >__>

If that's how Elsa got the powers, why didn't they make it more clear in the movir?