The Little Mermaid: Platinum Edition DVD Press Release

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Well, skimmed the DVDTimes review...

Political correctness strikes again as a weak knee is now digitally modified. :roll:

Seems small, though, compared to the other "complaints" (It's cropped! It's a bad restoration! It's a horrible sound mix! It's the wrong credits! It's the wrong blue castle! It's too bright! It's too dark! It didn't include a deleted song! It's not clean enough! It's too clean!)

I personally don't care. I'm getting the film in one form or another and being grateful for that.

Besides, I'm sure once this is out long enough, I can find copies of the LI at gamestop and buy that for the original audio and dirty priest - er, video quality. ;)

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I managed to buy it early today from my store that I work at so I'll leave my comments on the video restoration sometime tomorrow unless Luke beats me to it with his review.
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Hi people,

I'm the one who wrote the DVD Times review that was linked to a couple of pages ago, and I just wanted to stop by to clarify a few things.

I mentioned the aspect ratio cropping simply in passing, not necessarily a criticism. I know very well that we're bascially seeing everything that would have been visible in cinemas. The point, though, is that virtually every other Disney film animated in a ratio of 1.66:1 has been presented in 1.66:1 on DVD (Beauty and the Beast being one of the few exceptions), and that cropping The Little Mermaid to 1.78:1 (NOT 1.85:1 - 1.85:1 is a theatrical ratio, 1.78:1 is the ratio of a widescreen television) seemed unusual. Incidentally, this review of the French Platinum Edition includes screen captures comparing the new DVD to the old one, which quite clearly shows that there IS material missing from the top and bottom of the frame on the new release. A small amount, but it's there nonetheless.

Regarding my comments about grain, those who are describing it as "a degradation" and "layers of crawling film artifacts" seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the medium of film. The entire image is made up out of grain particles. No grain = no image. You can reduce the grain, but in doing so, you also reduce the detail. It may be true that the Disney artists didn't want their artwork to be "overlapped" by grain, but they knew the medium with which they were working and would, at the time, have had to accept the look of film as a necessary element of the end result. To go back now and start sucking it out is, in my opinion, tampering with history in order to get a superficially "cleaner" image. It's bad enough when the original artists, directors etc. are still alive, but in the case of films like Bambi, where most of those who worked on it have passed away or retired, and in any event will have had no say in the restoration, I think that these decisions to fundamentally alter the look of the film, whether by removing grain or overcranking the colours or whatever, are very wrong. It's a "what if" scenario and a very slippery slope. So what if the animators would have had the image grain-free if the technology was available to them at the time? Perhaps Orson Welles would have shot Citizen Kane in colour if he could have done so, or given it 5.1 surround sound, or included CGI effects. That doesn't mean we should go back and do these things now.

Hope I haven't ruffled anyone's feathers with these comments. The bottom line is that I like these films a great deal and am always disappointed when Disney goes back and makes changes to them, however minor they might seem to some people. I find it disappointing that, the more effort that gets put into these restorations, the less like the original films they look. The DVD of The Great Mouse Detective, for instance, looks absolutely beautiful, and I'm sure it wasn't subjected to anything like as much attention as The Little Mermaid.
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please get Lowry back.... :(

I hope they did 101 Dalmatians, they're best capable of handling the rough lines in that film. Did Lowry do Jungle Book?
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There really must be some kind of problem with me... Because, I've been a Disney fan for many many years and have seen The Little Mermaid maybe about a hundred times on VHS (it was my favortie Disney movie when I was a kid) and again watched the film several times on the Limited Edition DVD released in 1999.

And now, seing the movie in this new restoration and new transfer in this Platinum Edition DVD, it seems the me, who have seen this movie hundreds of times, the best the movie has EVER looked!

Now, I know I'm not a picture restoration and DVD image quality expert, but, as a real Disnet addict, I don't have much to complain about this new transfer. I think that's what matters the most to most of Disney fans, unless if, apparently, you also happen to know a lot (too much?) about image restoration to enjoy this new transfer of The Little Mermaid...

Bottom line is: the restoration will look ABSOLUTELY FINE to you even if you are an all-time Little Mermaid fan, as long as you're not a expert in image quality and digital restoration (those people are the ones who don't like the new transfer), I guarantee it!!
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It has nothing to do with being an "expert" - it has everything to do with being distracted by seeing artefacts that shouldn't be there in the first place. Believe it or not, I don't sit there scrutinising the picture to look for faults - I simply see faults and feel that, as a reviewer, it's my duty to report on them.
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I may end up buying this, and I'm sure I'll be able to "live with it" - but I basically agree. Trying to make these somewhat older movies look like they were made yesterday on a computer is problematic, to say the least.
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MMackenzie wrote:It has nothing to do with being an "expert" - it has everything to do with being distracted by seeing artefacts that shouldn't be there in the first place. Believe it or not, I don't sit there scrutinising the picture to look for faults - I simply see faults and feel that, as a reviewer, it's my duty to report on them.
I'm not questioning your "duty" as a reviewer at all and I understand that if you feel that the movie's been changed with "artefacts", you have to report them.

But again, you are a reviewer, who is used to paying attention to these kind of tings and difference in the image. My point was that most people won't notice any changes and will think the movie looks better tha never, and it doesn't mean they are not original Little Mermaid fans who loved and enjoyed the film in 1989.
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I side with most of the TLM dvd reviewers... I''m deeply dissapointed with the restoration and overall the DVD is a huge dissapointment... It's ONLY because TLm is my favorite Disney movie and because I dont have the LE dvd im still happy with the dvd.. and also because I didnt pay retail price... As a whole the TLM PE DVD is a dissapointment... Especially when you think of what a huge classic this movie is and how good it could have been if Disney had focused a bit more about the quality insted of the quantity!!
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Jordan wrote:Bottom line is: the restoration will look ABSOLUTELY FINE to you even if you are an all-time Little Mermaid fan, as long as you're not a expert in image quality and digital restoration (those people are the ones who don't like the new transfer), I guarantee it!!
Thank you!!! Someone had to say that!!!
I doubt all of us are going to sit there and watch out for flaws, and if people keep telling us there are flaws we will see flaws. That's what you call audiosuggestion ( did I spell this right?)!! :lol:
Everyone of us should wait and see!!!! And as I mentiond before no one of us owns a private movie theater!!! It's just a tv screen, and it will look fine!!!!
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Dottie wrote:
Jordan wrote:Bottom line is: the restoration will look ABSOLUTELY FINE to you even if you are an all-time Little Mermaid fan, as long as you're not a expert in image quality and digital restoration (those people are the ones who don't like the new transfer), I guarantee it!!
Thank you!!! Someone had to say that!!!
I doubt all of us are going to sit there and watch out for flaws, and if people keep telling us there are flaws we will see flaws. That's what you call audiosuggestion ( did I spell this right?)!! :lol:
Everyone of us should wait and see!!!! And as I mentiond before no one of us owns a private movie theater!!! It's just a tv screen, and it will look fine!!!!
Glad you agree lol :D :)

I also think that, reading all those general negative reviews about the restoration, "regular" people (whose eyes aren't trained to see flaws of a image restoration on a TV screen) are going to be disappointed even before seing it, but if they do see it, are gonna realize that the picture's just fine! Just read all the positive and happy comments of the UD forumers after seing the screencaps of this new restoration: everybody thought they looked amazing!!
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Exactly, if your eye is not trained to see things like that you won't ever see flaws. I never do. I only know that it will be better than my old VHS. I just watched it today and that is what I call crappy video quality, but I've never seen a DVD with a real crappy quality so that even I can see it. :lol:
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I'd say there's no reason to "quarrel" about this (and I'm not really saying that every one of you who raised his/her voice are actually "quarreling" - hope you see my point).

1. Of course it's going to "look fine" - and a lot of people (or even most) are going to be thoroughly pleased. Anything less would be "surprising", "unheard of" or "disastrous".

2. It's still possible to acknowledge that there are certain alterations made (on this and other titles) that in some way make the movie look different from what it was in the first place - and may be based on some "misunderstood" or "non-purist" understanding of the meaning of "quality".
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Mac, is this anywhere on the level of the hideous-looking BatB transfer? I can't even WATCH that disc anymore, despite my sheer and utter love for the movie itself.
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Lars Vermundsberget wrote:I'd say there's no reason to "quarrel" about this (and I'm not really saying that every one of you who raised his/her voice are actually "quarreling" - hope you see my point).

1. Of course it's going to "look fine" - and a lot of people (or even most) are going to be thoroughly pleased. Anything less would be "surprising", "unheard of" or "disastrous".

2. It's still possible to acknowledge that there are certain alterations made (on this and other titles) that in some way make the movie look different from what it was in the first place - and may be based on some "misunderstood" or "non-purist" understanding of the meaning of "quality".
I couldn't agree with you more. But my whole point was, commenting on your second point, that I'm fine with reviews or people "acknowleding" the differences of the image, but what I don't approve of is when you're just saying "the picture looks awful". You can acknowledge without being so dramatic about it, especially on something, that, as I was saying, most people won't even notice.
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Here's my deal with the whole subject of these "botched" restorations. Before I started reading these topics about amonth ago, when I would watch "Beauty and the Beast" and "Cinderella," two films that the majority agrees were given very faulty restorations, I never even noticed that colors had been tampered with. I grew up on these films, but what I pay attention to is the great characters and I get lost in the story. After reading all of the posts about "Cinderella" and seeing color comparison screen caps, I was upset... then I watched the film and still didn't notice it except for one scene when the clock strikes midnight and Cinderella's dress turns bright turquoise. lol. I understand that there are many people who notice these things right off the bat, but I'm either too distracted by the film itself or not attentive enough to notice these flaws. The people who notice these things should by all means complain to Disney, because I agree that these pieces of art (imo) should not be tampered with. Restore them and clean the film, but it's wrong to go in digitally and correct colors and make the film look like it was made yesterday. They always claim that the film "looks like it did when it opened," but I do agree that in recent years, they've gone too far. From the screen caps posted on this forum, I think the restoration looks really nice in terms of clearness and color, but I haven't seen it in motion so I really have no place to comment on it yet. I think that once the film comes out, the majority of us UDers, myself included, will watch it and be overwhelmed by the story. Then a percentage of us will start a topic about how bad the restoration is, cite examples, post screen cap comparisons, and then some of us will know exactly why some people are unsatisfied with the new restoration. But until that day comes, most of us haven't seen the PE restoration and thoughts are mixed with those who have. I guess it takes a critical eye to notice these things and most people don't have it.
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Exactly. Even those of us who are no experts (and I certainly don't consider myself one in the field of pq), but nevertheless appreciate quality, have reason to appreciate the fact that some people are very (or extremely) discriminating. That probably contributes to Disney and other studios raising the bar. But, agreed, I guess some of these commentators could be slightly less dramatic in their wording sometimes - in order not to alienate other readers who are not quite as much "in the know"...
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goofystitch wrote:Here's my deal with the whole subject of these "botched" restorations. Before I started reading these topics about amonth ago, when I would watch "Beauty and the Beast" and "Cinderella," two films that the majority agrees were given very faulty restorations, I never even noticed that colors had been tampered with. I grew up on these films, but what I pay attention to is the great characters and I get lost in the story. After reading all of the posts about "Cinderella" and seeing color comparison screen caps, I was upset... then I watched the film and still didn't notice it except for one scene when the clock strikes midnight and Cinderella's dress turns bright turquoise. lol. I understand that there are many people who notice these things right off the bat, but I'm either too distracted by the film itself or not attentive enough to notice these flaws. The people who notice these things should by all means complain to Disney, because I agree that these pieces of art (imo) should not be tampered with. Restore them and clean the film, but it's wrong to go in digitally and correct colors and make the film look like it was made yesterday. They always claim that the film "looks like it did when it opened," but I do agree that in recent years, they've gone too far. From the screen caps posted on this forum, I think the restoration looks really nice in terms of clearness and color, but I haven't seen it in motion so I really have no place to comment on it yet. I think that once the film comes out, the majority of us UDers, myself included, will watch it and be overwhelmed by the story. Then a percentage of us will start a topic about how bad the restoration is, cite examples, post screen cap comparisons, and then some of us will know exactly why some people are unsatisfied with the new restoration. But until that day comes, most of us haven't seen the PE restoration and thoughts are mixed with those who have. I guess it takes a critical eye to notice these things and most people don't have it.
Couldn't explain it better. Totally agree with you, especially with your last sentence :) That's what I meant by using the word "expert".

So having this PE of The Little Mermaid in my hands, I can assure you that you'll still enjoy the film with this restoration, just like you did with Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast :)
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I don't know what all the complaining is about. That's nothing. The last Disney DVD I bought had a freakin big hole right in the middle of the disk.
What's up with that?

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