Frozen: Part V

[PatrickvD]

[Mooky]

I still don't understand why people care about critics' ratings. Will the actual movie movie suddenly become better/worse if it gets a high/low rating? Why do you feel the need to have your opinion validated by critics? Don't belittle yourself, your opinion is just as justifiable as anyone else's. To save myself time, I'm going to quote something I wrote elsewhere (again):

If you really think RT's (and generally, professional) reviewers are objective, non-biased and neutral, well, I'd like to be that naïve and innocent again. It only means they have a formal education in film/writing (which doesn't say much in this day and age) and write reviews for money/living. I'm not denying their technical expertise in the slightest, but ultimately a quality/impact of a movie is dependent on end user's emotional and cognitive response to that movie.

Not to mention, critics are generally biased against certain directors and genres. Most often than not, a mediocre movie from a renowned director will get a pass ("fresh" mark), while a mediocre movie from a newcomer or a director against whom there's a bias (such as former music videos directors, children's films/animation directors, action and horror movies directors) will be proclaimed "rotten". Recent example: Prometheus. It got terrible early reviews at Cannes, general user comments find it to be below average, and yet it stands at 73% on RT, which no doubt can be attributed mostly to it being directed by Ridley Scott.

So, I don't understand why you give a flying f*ck about critics' reviews. Of course, it's always nice and reassuring when a professional critic agrees with your opinion, but in the end, their opinion is just that: an opinion (and you know what they say about opinions). Why should your assessment of a movie be any less important than that of a critic? If I had been listening to critics only, I would have missed on a lot of fine films.

Another thing, movies that are initially rated low by professionals later often tend to gain new appreciation and understanding or become cult classics, prompting reviewers to change their original negative mark to positive (i.e. The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Blade Runner, The Last Unicorn, Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, Pulp Fiction, The Shawshank Redemption). So in the great scheme of things, critics' reviews mean nothing. What matters in the end is audience's (your) emotional response to a movie, regardless of how bad or good it might be rated by critics.

Anyway, I just saw Frozen. I think it's the strongest of Disney's CG films so far and it probably would have been my favorite Disney film since Lilo & Stitch had it not been for a noticeable dip in quality from the moment "Let It Go" ends and Anna/Kristoff shenanigans start. Up until then the movie was practically perfect, and then Elsa's tragic story took a backseat to a clichéd "will they/won't they" love story. The film definitely needed a lot more Elsa, but I sort of understand the idea to keep her subdued or the mystery surrounding her would have quickly worn off. I also appreciated the gay subtext.

I also expected to be annoyed by the rest of the characters (Anna in particular), but they turned out to be what Tangled characters should have been: no aggravating cuteness/Mary-Sueness of Rapunzel! no teeth-gnawing self-righteousness of Flynn Rider! Even Sven didn't bother me as much as Maximus did. I'm still not sold on Olaf because I generally dislike cutesy, clueless characters, but he was pretty much harmless if not basically needless. But yeah, I really liked Anna and Kristoff.

I had already spoiled myself on the villain reveal, but it still left me cold. It was just kind of bizarre and uneventful, like a twist for the sake of a twist. If anything, Hans should have been given a better reason for his heel-turn, maybe because he truly believed Elsa was a menace (you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that). As it is now, it's sort of lame.

Songs were great, better than PatF's and Tangled's for sure. Standouts for me were "Let It Go" (visuals were amazing), "Love Is An Open Door", and the end part of "Do You Want To Build A Snowman". I didn't like the schmaltziness of "For The First Time In Forever" and its reprise(s), and "Fixer-Upper" sounded better in that snippet (still nice, though). "In Summer" was meh, but I liked the Sherman Brothers-esque vibe to it. I haven't seen the English language version yet, so my opinion on the songs may change.

What annoyed me?
- Marshmallow plot-point was stupid
- some of the pacing was strange (the songs seemed to follow one another by mere minutes)
- I didn't like how the source of Elsa's powers was left unexplained, it was too much like X-Men (even Elsa's power display alternated between Iceman's, Rogue's and Wolverine's); why didn't Anna or any other family member have similar powers?
- the royal family was basically living by themselves, it almost seemed like they weren't (or even needed to be) royals. Nobility, yes, but royals no. I mean, none of the servants ever noticed anything strange? King and queen riding off to see the trolls by themselves? I guess it was Disney's way of having a cake (read: princess) and eating it too.
- in parts, it definitely felt like on of the cheap Barbie movies -- very sappy.
- Elsa sure did learn to master her powers in a record time, didn't she? Some roughness to her creations would have been welcomed, they were way too polished (but I get it -- computer graphics, wow factor, etc.)
- I felt the story lost some of its gravity by having the plot be stretched over what seemed like only two or three days. I would have preferred a longer period of threat/winter, like 5 to 10 years or so, maybe by having Elsa run off when she's a teenager, and Anna looking for her when she comes off age. Current storyline definitely cleared some of my preformed misconceptions of the timeline and the logical problems it would have created (namely, how would/did Elsa survive/stay warm for so long, what would/did she eat?), and that would have irked me even more than what it is like now.
- general nitpickiness: stuff borrowed from other Disney films - the cast of Tangled being basically transplanted here (but SO MUCH better), horses being bearers of band news/wolf attacks (Beauty and the Beast), Kristoff and fleas (Aladdin. All of this was most probably unintentional, but I've seen BatB and Aladdin too many times to count so this was very noticeable to me.
- general nitpickiness II: unnecessary political (in)correctness - black royalty/nobility at Elsa's coronation dressed in clearly European-influenced fashions. Come on, Disney, you're better than that.

All in all, a wonderful, touching film. I teared up and choked up at some points, mostly because the sisterly theme reminded me of my relationship with my sister, I got all sentimental and stuff . I tried to get her to see it with me but she ended up being too busy, so I'll have to drag her to the cinema to watch it together.

Oh, and Get a Horse! was too much fun!

[TheBlibaBlob]

Man the HTTYD fandom are odd, they keep saying 'aw yeah! New HTTYD2 footage totally destroys Frozen, yadada...' What the hell? Some fandoms are just weird. I love HTTYD, just don't like fandom, but can't wait for HTTYD2. I'm glad the Frozen fandom are a little more sane.

[dollover]

I had no problem with Elsa's powers being unexplained. I'm actually glad it wasn't. What would it have added to the story? To me it would have just been a mildly interesting but useless piece of information at best. Whether she got them from her magic ancestors or was secretly cursed with them or whatever doesn't matter to the story they're telling one bit. It's not like Rapunzel where the reason for her magic hair is essential to the plot.

[PatrickvD]

With Frozen headed for a $90 million 5 day opening weekend I officially predict Giants to be fast tracked as the next princess fairytale musical.

The reason WDAS has set a bunch of empty release dates is because they were waiting to see if they would fast track a fairytale musical again based on Frozen's performance. And now that it's outselling Monsters University, they'll know what to do.

[taei]

- Elsa sure did learn to master her powers in a record time, didn't she? Some roughness to her creations would have been welcomed, they were way too polished (but I get it -- computer graphics, wow factor, etc.)

See.. That's what I thought until i saw it again and then I understood what happened.
The reason Elsa's powers were spiraling out of control is because she feared them.
In let it go, right before she builds her staircase, she says "And the fears that once controlled me, can't get to me at all"
So now that she loves her powers, she is in complete control over them. And the more happy she is about them and about herself in general, the more polished the outcome was. Same thing in The attack on her castle, everything was in shards because she was scared and angry. And when she was in the chamber, her powers aren't clear and polished, they're everywhere.

Her powers are basically the visual representation of her emotions.
I love how people complain that they wanted more Elsa in the movie. Imagine Disney making a deleted scene like this:
The Interior Designer: Elsa decorates her castle!
or
The garden: Elsa discovers the inner Gardner in her, and decides on which flowers she wants to grow.

[PrincessElsa]

Truthfully, I would have enjoyed those scenes a lot more than some of the business with Anna and Kristoff.

Here are a few ideas:

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/68481465475/

Many viewers who have seen Frozen have expressed how much they would have loved to have seen more of Elsa in the film.

The question then arises among some critics, however: what more of Elsa could the film have shown?

Much more.

First of all, the “Don’t feel, don’t feel” scene in Elsa’s ice palace, in which Elsa attempts to control her powers, after having Marshmallow eject Kristoff and Anna (for their own protection), needn’t have been so short.

That could have been an incredible sequence — indeed another song — a plaintive piece in which Elsa might have lamented that, “Yes, I am a monster after all,” as she believes herself to be.

Second, the creation of Olaf passes by in a flash during “Let It Go” — so brief a scene that many early viewers missed it altogether, when they were asked about it.

It barely exists, yet it illustrates the creation of one of the film’s most significant characters.

Instead of making it such a throwaway moment, consider this post (http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/62748380019/), which describes how rich and moving that scene could have been, had it been expanded.

Scenes of Elsa in her creative mode could also have been poignant and bittersweet, because they could have been laced with a hint of sadness, showing Elsa experiencing joy in her isolation but a touch of grief as well, when she reflects on what she left behind.

Some critics complain that Elsa would have had no one to talk to. But why should that have been the case? Remember: this is a character who can create sentient life — conscious, intelligent life, which is a staggering idea.

Why should her creations have been restricted to Olaf and Marshmallow? Elsa’s sidekicks could have come in any form, from animal-like to nearly human.

She could have created sentient companions in her ice palace to whom she could have poured out her heart and bared her feelings, as Rapunzel does to her chameleon, or as the Beast, in Beauty and the Beast, does to his cursed household.

She could have told (or sung!) of the love that she was denied her whole life. Imagine Elsa recalling moments in her life in which she longed to make a connection (not just to Anna, but a romantic connection too – perhaps to a boy whom she once saw through a castle window, and whom she crushed on, but knew that she could never interact with, and what painful longing that caused her).

Imagine her singing of how dearly she always yearned to step outside in the wide world and escape her life of confinement, even start a family of her own — things that even the lowest commoner in her kingdom could do, but that she could not.

In Beauty and the Beast, some of the most powerful scenes in the entire film are those in which the Beast speaks to his cursed servants, lamenting that Belle is “so beautiful, and I’m— Well, look at me!”; or later, when he is by himself, ruing that “She will never see me as anything but a monster.”

Frozen could have given Elsa powerful scenes such as this.

Or think of the gripping scenes in the Superman films (be it Man of Steel or the Donner movies) in which Clark Kent has poignant exchanges with the ghost of his father, in his Fortress of Solitude.

Or consider similar scenes in the Dark Knight films, in which Bruce Wayne has exchanges with Alfred. These interactions are fascinating and revealing, fleshing out the characters.

Elsa could have fashioned a mentor-like sidekick with whom she could have interacted in such a manner.

But in Elsa’s case, such scenes would have been even more compelling because she would have been interacting with a sidekick that she herself created.

Thus, her sidekick would have been an externalization of her own inner struggle. She would have been speaking with a part of her own soul.

That has never been done before in a Disney film.

At some point, she could perhaps have realized that she had created a companion that echoed the sentiments of her own father – and we do know that the memory of her father weighs heavily on Elsa’s mind.

Or, Elsa could have created a sidekick with a sarcastic side, to play off of her seriousness. Or a creation that externalized the feelings of her own conscience.

Or it could even have been Olaf himself who stayed with Elsa, once Kristoff and Anna were chased away. Imagine how touching the scenes between the two of them would have been, with Olaf trying to console Elsa after she learns of the eternal winter that she has unwillingly caused. The scene in which Olaf first encounters his maker is deeply moving, filled with emotion for both of them. It passes by too soon.

And all of this is not even getting into what many of us always wished for most: an Elsa romantic plotline, in which she at last found her prince, finally achieving the romantic love that she has been denied her whole life.

Literally any further scenes involving Elsa could have been endlessly captivating, in lieu of countless moments in the film aren’t nearly as interesting. Alternatively, such scenes could have added some well-deserved minutes to the running time

I expect to be fast-forwarding through "Fixer Upper" and several other portions of the film when I get it on DVD, which barely seem entertaining even on a first viewing. But I would have loved scenes like the ones described above.

[tsom]

Just saw Frozen in 3D, and I really enjoyed it! So far, it is on par with both "The Princess and the Frog" and "Tangled" in my opinion. I will need to see it more times. I actually liked "Princess and the Frog" and "Tangled" equally, and I thought both movies were extremely good.

Idina Menzel WAS the Snow Queen! Elsa was a great character -- poised and regal, but cold and icy. I loved Anna! Such a positive, optimistic, but flawed character. They were both very relatable. I loved Sven, and probably more than Maximus. I loved Olaf! Kristoff was charming, but I thought Flynn was more charismatic. Although, I thought Naveen was a better character than Flynn anyway.

The stand out songs were "Do You Want to Build a Snowman," "For the First Time in Forever," and "Let It Go." "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" was a great introduction song, but so heartbreaking. I loved it! "For the First time in Forever" was the song that I left the theater humming, but "Let It Go" was the creme de la creme of the picture. I was disappointed at the lack of a ending chorus, which was what disappointed me about "Tangled" as well. To me, an epic Disney film is not complete without that ending song. Shoot, even "Enchanted" had "Ever Ever After." "Frozen Heart" reminded me of "Fathoms Below," which was a nice nod.

The unexpected love story between Elsa and Anna was great! The whole time, I thought Anna would end up with Kristoff and Elsa would end up with Hans (kind of like Enchanted), but the twist shocked me. I also did not understand Elsa's ice palace. I mean, how would she eat?

For some reason, I thought both sisters would share screen time equally, so I was surprised there wasn't more of Elsa, even though I knew Anna was the main character.

Overall, great film but I need/want to see it again!

[Disney's Divinity]

Saw the film earlier. Overall, I left with more positive feelings than negative, but I’d rank this the lowest of the last 4 films (Frozen < Tangled <<< WIR < TP&TF). FathomsSpoilers below (not putting everything in black, so...)

I have to say my biggest disappointment was the music. I realize now I may have overrated Lopez because of Avenue Q (I kind of regret ordering the soundtrack the other day now, but I had faith I would enjoy it…), but maybe he just doesn’t work as well when he’s neutered like he is in a Disney film. Come to think of it, AQ doesn’t really have any ballads I love, and ballads are the soul of most (Disney) musicals. I was also surprised by how weak Menzel sounded on “Let It Go”; I wonder if she hemmed her voice so she didn’t sound too old for the part, but I was let down, regardless. Of the songs, hers is still the best, but I was left with the impression it could’ve been much better. Kristen Bell wasn’t a horrible singer, but “For the First Time in Forever” is a pale imitation of an “I Want” song. That’s another thing that’s bothering me--this and “Almost There” aren’t “I Want” songs, but more of “my dreams have come true.” The beginning song and scene strangely made me think of Pocahontas’ intro. “In Summer,” and “Love Is an Open Door” were serviceable, but honestly didn’t leave much mark on me now that I’m trying to recall them; I couldn’t recall the melody/lyrics of any song other than “Let It Go,” I’ll be honest. Overall, I don’t think this soundtrack is superior to Tangled or TP&TF. They’re all equally unremarkable.

As far as characters: Olaf didn’t bother me, actually, but I don’t think he works as well as Ray, for instance, and I still find his design awful. I liked Sven more, tbh. I was surprised the comedy was as charming and tasteful as it was, but I don’t think Olaf was introduced well. He just kind of walks into the story without much reason for being there. I also didn’t dislike Anna as I had expected. Her point of view was interesting, considering she was also damaged by how their parents decided to raise Elsa. I didn’t feel either way about Kristoff and I hated the trolls (especially their designs). Hans, Weselton, Elsa, and Oaken were all nice/entertaining characters, imo. However, I do feel Elsa was slightly undeveloped and she would’ve benefited from a bit more screen time. As far as the two sisters go, she definitely has more growth to go through, and we don’t really get that (the “Let It Go” independence moment feels artificial when she reverts back to being scared and hesitant of herself in every scene afterwards). I believe it’s this area that makes me put it below the other 3 above, because I didn’t gravitate towards any of the characters like I did Tiana/Naveen/Ray/Facilier/Vanellope/Rapunzel, although they had their moments and I didn’t hate any of them.

Also, I have to admit I really despise this trend of opening when the protagonists are children. I found the ending satisfying though (unlike a few people, apparently), but I thought Hans should’ve died. I don’t think we ever got to see Elsa realize onscreen that Hans was attempting to murder her, but I think he’s one of the few male villains Disney’s had I’ve enjoyed. I was actually unspoiled on that, surprisingly. I thought I knew everything that would happen in that moment, but I didn’t; for some reason, the spoilers from the books/promotion/etc. left me with the impression that he loved Anna and wanted to murder Elsa to protect her, whereas the film made it clear he had no feelings for her. The reveal scene was one of my favorites (even if the twist is a copout resolution of the love triangle). The overall film did resemble the movie’s history to me. It felt meandering and forced together, and of course the cast conveniently happened into the same place for most events. The “roadtrip” part of the film was more impressive than that found in TP&TF and Tangled, for me, I guess because the snow and ice gave more sight-seeing moments, which feel like a prerequisite for a roadtrip.

If I had to rank it, I’d give it 2.5 or 3 out of 5 stars, or 6/10. I didn’t have any special resonance with this film, but it wasn’t an awful film (like Chicken Little, Brother Bear, etc., for example). And just to be complete, even though my order changes sometimes… ( ):

1. Ariel
2. Tiana
3. Cinderella
4. Rapunzel
5. Pocahontas
6. Elsa
7. Anna
8. Mulan
9. Snow White
10. Belle
11. Aurora
12. Jasmine

[disneyprincess11]

The library scene is up.

MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS

http://worth-melting-for.tumblr.com/pos ... d-continue

[Musical Master]

Saw the film earlier. Overall, I left with more positive feelings than negative, but I’d rank this the lowest of the last 4 films (Frozen < Tangled <<< WIR < TP&TF). FathomsSpoilers below (not putting everything in black, so...)

I have to say my biggest disappointment was the music. I realize now I may have overrated Lopez because of Avenue Q (I kind of regret ordering the soundtrack the other day now, but I had faith I would enjoy it…), but maybe he just doesn’t work as well when he’s neutered like he is in a Disney film. Come to think of it, AQ doesn’t really have any ballads I love, and ballads are the soul of most (Disney) musicals. I was also surprised by how weak Menzel sounded on “Let It Go”; I wonder if she hemmed her voice so she didn’t sound too old for the part, but I was let down, regardless. Of the songs, hers is still the best, but I was left with the impression it could’ve been much better. Kristen Bell wasn’t a horrible singer, but “For the First Time in Forever” is a pale imitation of an “I Want” song. That’s another thing that’s bothering me--this and “Almost There” aren’t “I Want” songs, but more of “my dreams have come true.” The beginning song and scene strangely made me think of Pocahontas’ intro. “In Summer,” and “Love Is an Open Door” were serviceable, but honestly didn’t leave much mark on me now that I’m trying to recall them; I couldn’t recall the melody/lyrics of any song other than “Let It Go,” I’ll be honest. Overall, I don’t think this soundtrack is superior to Tangled or TP&TF. They’re all equally unremarkable.

As far as characters: Olaf didn’t bother me, actually, but I don’t think he works as well as Ray, for instance, and I still find his design awful. I liked Sven more, tbh. I was surprised the comedy was as charming and tasteful as it was, but I don’t think Olaf was introduced well. He just kind of walks into the story without much reason for being there. I also didn’t dislike Anna as I had expected. Her point of view was interesting, considering she was also damaged by how their parents decided to raise Elsa. I didn’t feel either way about Kristoff and I hated the trolls (especially their designs). Hans, Weselton, Elsa, and Oaken were all nice/entertaining characters, imo. However, I do feel Elsa was slightly undeveloped and she would’ve benefited from a bit more screen time. As far as the two sisters go, she definitely has more growth to go through, and we don’t really get that (the “Let It Go” independence moment feels artificial when she reverts back to being scared and hesitant of herself in every scene afterwards). I believe it’s this area that makes me put it below the other 3 above, because I didn’t gravitate towards any of the characters like I did Tiana/Naveen/Ray/Facilier/Vanellope/Rapunzel, although they had their moments and I didn’t hate any of them.

Also, I have to admit I really despise this trend of opening when the protagonists are children. I found the ending satisfying though (unlike a few people, apparently), but I thought Hans should’ve died. I don’t think we ever got to see Elsa realize onscreen that Hans was attempting to murder her, but I think he’s one of the few male villains Disney’s had I’ve enjoyed. I was actually unspoiled on that, surprisingly. I thought I knew everything that would happen in that moment, but I didn’t; for some reason, the spoilers from the books/promotion/etc. left me with the impression that he loved Anna and wanted to murder Elsa to protect her, whereas the film made it clear he had no feelings for her. The reveal scene was one of my favorites (even if the twist is a copout resolution of the love triangle). The overall film did resemble the movie’s history to me. It felt meandering and forced together, and of course the cast conveniently happened into the same place for most events. The “roadtrip” part of the film was more impressive than that found in TP&TF and Tangled, for me, I guess because the snow and ice gave more sight-seeing moments, which feel like a prerequisite for a roadtrip.

If I had to rank it, I’d give it 2.5 or 3 out of 5 stars, or 6/10. I didn’t have any special resonance with this film, but it wasn’t an awful film (like Chicken Little, Brother Bear, etc., for example). And just to be complete, even though my order changes sometimes… ( ):

1. Ariel
2. Tiana
3. Cinderella
4. Rapunzel
5. Pocahontas
6. Elsa
7. Anna
8. Mulan
9. Snow White
10. Belle
11. Aurora
12. Jasmine

Hey there Divinity, nice to hear from you. I'm quite happy that you have seen it, even though you and I have VASTLY DIFFERENT points of view on Frozen (which I loved) but you're prespective was nice to read and I agree with you that the BIG TWIST SCENE was one of the best in the whole movie. I still think that out of all of the films from TPATF-Frozen, this one is the strongest both story, character, and musically out of all of them (with WIR being the best non musical Disney movie).

But hey, nice to hear different opinions though.

EDIT: Here are my top 3 Disney films from 1967-present for me right now.

1. Beauty and the Beast
2. The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Frozen (edging out Hunchback)
3. Tangled and The Little Mermaid (with TLM beating Tangled by a good amount of things)

[Lady Cluck]

How did you find the pacing? That's my one (big) worry about the film.

Also, did you happen to notice if Hans glanced at the chandelier before misdirecting the crossbow shot? Read this somewhere.

I didn't have an issue with it. The "road trip" part really didn't feel that long to me but maybe I expected worse after reading people complaining about it. Anna, Kristoff, and yes even Olaf were all likable enough that I didn't mind it.

I'd give the beginning through "Let It Go" an A+ - it was flawless tbh

From there up until the siege on Elsa's castle a B+ - enjoyable but nothing extraordinary.

And the final act an A-. I actually liked the Hans reveal and the ending a lot, even the ice skating. It was nice and simple and stayed true to the theme. I can see why people felt it was rushed so that's why it's an A-, but it kept it exciting. Tbh a lot of Disney movies have really rushed endings if you think about it...

Overall, solid A. The beginning and ending are both good enough that they make up for the weaker middle, which was still good in my opinion. My only regret is that I knew too much about the movie going in to it so a lot of the element of surprise was gone. I couldn't resist the spoilers though I know I'm going to enjoy it more on repeat viewings.

I didn't notice the chandelier thing.

[tsom]

[quote="Mooky"]

I also appreciated the gay subtext.

What are you referring to?

- general nitpickiness II: unnecessary political (in)correctness - black royalty/nobility at Elsa's coronation dressed in clearly European-influenced fashions. Come on, Disney, you're better than that.

Ummm, not trying to be rude, but you do know there were black people in Europe back then, correct? Granted, it was a small population, but they were around. Some of them were even nobles. Again, it was a small population, but they were there. Plus, "Frozen" is a fairy tale and the kingdom of Arendelle isn't real.

[Patrick]

Did anyone else REALLY appreciate Disney poking fun at itself? I know this happened a few times but I can only remember this one example at the moment... I loved when Anna gets to Oakens Trading Post "and Sauna" and he conveniently stocked one dress and pair of boots. It's nice to see Disney draw attention to obvious elements used to transition the plot in a funny way. Even Anna's entire duet with Hans.

[Musical Master]

How did you find the pacing? That's my one (big) worry about the film.

Also, did you happen to notice if Hans glanced at the chandelier before misdirecting the crossbow shot? Read this somewhere.

I didn't have an issue with it. The "road trip" part really didn't feel that long to me but maybe I expected worse after reading people complaining about it. Anna, Kristoff, and even Olaf were all likable enough that I didn't mind it.

I'd give the beginning through "Let It Go" an A+ - honestly it was flawless.

From there up until the siege on Elsa's castle a B+ - enjoyable but nothing too extraordinary.

And the final act an A-. I actually liked the Hans reveal and the ending a lot, even the ice skating. It was nice and simple and stayed true to the sisterly bond theme. I can see why people felt it was rushed so that's why it's an A-, but it kept it exciting. Honestly a lot of Disney movies have really rushed endings if you think about it.

Overall, a solid A. The beginning and ending are both good enough that they make up for the weaker middle, which was still good in my opinion. My only regret is that I knew too much about the movie going in to it so a lot of the element of surprise was gone. I couldn't resist the spoilers though I know I'm going to enjoy it more on repeat viewings.

And again, I was really impressed by the songs, the well-rounded characters, and the amazing visuals. Some really beautiful scenes.

I didn't notice the chandelier thing.

I think I could help you with the chandelier scene: One of the Duke's guards struggles to shoot Elsa but Hans stops him by pointing the crossbow up (not knowing about the chandelier that would come crashing down).

Does that help?

Oh and I thought that the middle part was more enjoyable than I thought and the seige of Elsa's palace was intense. I'd give this movie a TRULY solid A as well.

[DisneyEra]

With Frozen headed for a $90 million 5 day opening weekend I officially predict Giants to be fast tracked as the next princess fairytale musical.

The reason WDAS has set a bunch of empty release dates is because they were waiting to see if they would fast track a fairytale musical again based on Frozen's performance. And now that it's outselling Monsters University, they'll know what to do.

So true. With that kind of opening, Giants is all but officially announced. Still, I don't like Disney Animation choosing projects based on another film's BO numbers.

[disneyprincess11]

So true. With that kind of opening, Giants is all but officially announced. Still, I don't like Disney Animation choosing projects based on another film's BO numbers.

Like someone said, if Frozen keeps doing great, I think we could still get Giants in 2016 to please people and probably earlier in March 2016. And like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Giants is announced around mid-late next year because really, people will be/are dying for their next fairy tale.

[Lady Cluck]

Could they really fast track production that much? Usually we only get delays

[taei]

On a side note.

You can tell that the Kristoff-Hans punch was cut out of the movie, because when Hans wakes up on the boat, he has his hands on his chin..

I wonder if we're going to eventually get an extended edition!!

[DisneyEra]

So true. With that kind of opening, Giants is all but officially announced. Still, I don't like Disney Animation choosing projects based on another film's BO numbers.

Like someone said, if Frozen keeps doing great, I think we could still get Giants in 2016 to please people and probably earlier in March 2016. And like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Giants is announced around mid-late next year because really, people will be/are dying for their next fairy tale.

BH6 is set for next November 7, while WDAS will have an off year in 2015 "thats Pixar's comeback year", that leaves 2016. What film will WDAS want to release: Zootopia or Giants? Considering Tangled & Frozen's monster-success, they're gonna go where the BO is.