Zootopia 2

[The Disneynerd]

While I liked Gazelle, i dont like how they brought back the SAME Zoo popstar for the sequel, it kinda limits the Zootopia universe. Why not introduce Usher, i mean Otter, Selena Goatmez or whatever, Gazelle cant be the only Popstar there lol

[Sotiris]

Gary from Zootopia 2 makes an appearance during the Moana 2 end credits.

https://x.com/zotopia2news/status/1860854273019617625

[Farerb]

They really like that snake, don't they?

[Sotiris]

Enough with the nods and the Easter eggs. It's clear after Wish, they don't know how to do them right.

Q: Will Duke Weaselton be returning, or will we have a completely new character voiced by Alan Tudyk?

Jared Bush: Duke will be back. With more bootlegs.

Source: https://x.com/thejaredbush/status/1867989629825085741

Q: Can you please give us a random fact about Gary the snake or an out of context line or image?

Jared Bush: I don’t want to give away too much, but I will say he is a scene stealer and in his performance there are nods to Disney Animation's legacy of fantastic snake characters.

Source: https://x.com/thejaredbush/status/1867979470679814607

[Patricier21]

Well, I actually love wish, but either way, they’ve done the one before that complicated to say they can’t go back to that kind of thing? Besides they’re already doing this in the first Zootopia, so why not continue doing this kind of thing?

[Farerb]

In this sequel, Nick has successfully graduated from police academy and is now a police officer, and Judy once again team up to tackle a new mystery in Zootopia. Judy and Nick decide to go undercover to search for wanted criminal Gary the snake. They go undercover in a new area of the city, where their bond will be tested more than ever. Judy and Nick then find themselves tackling a huge mystery surrounding the "dark past" of Zootopia, hidden by Gary the snake and the reptiles...

Source:
https://www.disney.co.jp/movie/news/20250116_01

[PatchofBlue]

Not totally sure what "dark history" they're going to reveal about Zootopia given that we kinda already discovered in the last movie that it's not exactly paradise. We can assume it'll be about reptiles being subjugated by mammals or something along those lines. There may be some surprises that fill in the blanks, butright now it's feeling a little like Inside Out 2 where the sequel is tainted by the backwash of the first film.

Anyways, I forget that the film is coming out THIS YEAR. My mind still wants to seat this thing next to Frozen III some years off.

[Pokenonbinary]

I'm the only person that didn't liked the first one and just liked the world building?

I love the city itself but the movie was very meh to me

[Lavendergolden]

I'm the only person that didn't liked the first one and just liked the world building?

I love the city itself but the movie was very meh to me

Not just you. I think the mystery is meh and the characters pretty dull. The racism allegory is beaten over our heads and I think not a good fit because predators like foxes actually do prey on bunnies for sustenance. Minorities like black people are not inherently more dangerous than whites, even if they're coded that way by systemic racism, so treating them as equivalent to predators is actually really offensive. But whenever Disney tries to tackle race issues, they always offend and do more harm than good. They need to avoid that altogether and stop with their agendas and messaging because they're so terrible at it.

The city was okay but I don't think it was very iconic.

[PatchofBlue]

I mean ... ANY allegory becomes problematic if you take it too literally. ("What do you mean your favorite movie is "The Seventh Seal?" Are you saying that all you have to do to cheat death is just be good at playing chess? Do you have any idea how insensitive that is?") I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I don't see a lot of people making any connection between real-life predator/prey dynamics and minorities somehow being more prone to violence. There are much more specific applications, like the fact that predators are literally minorities in Zootopia and so have less of a voice, that the film builds its thesis on.

[Pokenonbinary]

I'm the only person that didn't liked the first one and just liked the world building?

I love the city itself but the movie was very meh to me

Not just you. I think the mystery is meh and the characters pretty dull. The racism allegory is beaten over our heads and I think not a good fit because predators like foxes actually do prey on bunnies for sustenance. Minorities like black people are not inherently more dangerous than whites, even if they're coded that way by systemic racism, so treating them as equivalent to predators is actually really offensive. But whenever Disney tries to tackle race issues, they always offend and do more harm than good. They need to avoid that altogether and stop with their agendas and messaging because they're so terrible at it.

The city was okay but I don't think it was very iconic.

Yep many people hate that zootopia is about reverse racism and copaganda

[Lavendergolden]

Not just you. I think the mystery is meh and the characters pretty dull. The racism allegory is beaten over our heads and I think not a good fit because predators like foxes actually do prey on bunnies for sustenance. Minorities like black people are not inherently more dangerous than whites, even if they're coded that way by systemic racism, so treating them as equivalent to predators is actually really offensive. But whenever Disney tries to tackle race issues, they always offend and do more harm than good. They need to avoid that altogether and stop with their agendas and messaging because they're so terrible at it.

The city was okay but I don't think it was very iconic.

Yep many people hate that zootopia is about reverse racism and copaganda

I didn't realize how evil cops were back then so that part didn't phase me until recently. My friends from around the world told me they boycott police movies because the police are such a corrupt and dangerous institution in basically every country so that opened my eyes. Hence why I said I would not support such a movie or anything that glorifies cops. I think Disney does a lot of propaganda for the police and corrupt government institutions like the FBI. For example, hearing that the live-action Mulan's motto was the same as the FBI motto as part of American propaganda. I can't think of any country in the world with as much propaganda as America. To even push it in a Chinese film, it's no wonder China promptly rejected that film! The Chinese are very astute. They will not be easily fooled.

[The Disneynerd]

"Q: Will Duke Weaselton be returning, or will we have a completely new character voiced by Alan Tudyk?

Jared Bush: Duke will be back. With more bootlegs."

When we get Weasels Bootlegs 2.0, they gotta make sure to get rid of references of their potential standalone movies to avoid the "Giraffic" situation and they can already throw in Moana 3, 4, Frozen 5 and Encanto 2 (Elefanto? )just in case.

Would be funny if they throw in their flops like "Fish" or "Stange Zoo" and he could say those Bootlegs didnt sell well

Im gonna give WDAS one last chance with this one (again) as Zootopia was one of my childhood favourites. I think tackling racism through animals was clever and a save choice. Thats one of the things you shouldnt overanalyze i guess because its just a metaphora and metaphoras lose substance or sense when you overthink it. The only critique i could give this film is that I just think Zootopia alongside every "mystery: whos the killer " type of flicks age more poorly as your kinda over the whole suspense after first watch, especially when the whole story is build on that, but i still like it

Thats what I love about Law and Order, that they get the killer already in the first half, and then the majority of the runtime the legal system struggles to see wheter the act was justified or not, and how to classify that, which sometimes makes them even question their own norms, being more than just black and white. That would be interesting to see getting done with something like Zootopia.

About the corruption of cops:
Technically the movie leaned kinda on that. Judy thinks at paper it looks like being a cop is just doing the right thing and atresting thiefs and criminals, but as the story moves forward, she sees the bitter cracks of the system and how cops dont just are problem solvers, but can also support to devide people and abuse their powers and have to be loyal to corrupt Systems, which is part of why she quit. But if the governent is watching: I LOVE cops!

[DisneyFan09]

Enough with the nods and the Easter eggs. It's clear after Wish, they don't know how to do them right.

Agreed. If there was one thing that was genuniely bad about Wish, it was the Easter Eggs. They were awful, tacky and not particularly executed well. Especially with Peter Pan.

[Disney's Divinity]

Looking forward to this, feels like the sequel has been put off if anything. I'm guessing the wanted criminal isn't the real villain. The hardest part for this movie is keeping the stakes as high. In the first, you thought (like with any mystery) that any character could be involved. You're not going to feel that possibility about several of the returning characters here.

[Lavendergolden]

I mean ... ANY allegory becomes problematic if you take it too literally. ("What do you mean your favorite movie is "The Seventh Seal?" Are you saying that all you have to do to cheat death is just be good at playing chess? Do you have any idea how insensitive that is?") I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I don't see a lot of people making any connection between real-life predator/prey dynamics and minorities somehow being more prone to violence. There are much more specific applications, like the fact that predators are literally minorities in Zootopia and so have less of a voice, that the film builds its thesis on.

Sorry, I didn't see your post before. Yes you're right but I do think it becomes a problem if racial allegories always keep making minorities out to be inherently more dangerous than the default or baseline humans. I think the mutants have a similar issue where they're used as an allegory of racial minorities and gay people but the issue is that racial minorities and gay people aren't born with powers that make them dangerous that they can't control. Gay people and black people are not dangerous at all to anyone around them just for existing, which isn't the case with mutants or predator animals. They are biologically conditioned to be more dangerous. Same with disability-born people. They have disabilities but these disabilities don't make them a danger to anyone. When people are conditioned to see these minority allegories over and over where the minority has special powers or talents that place them above humanity, they start to be conditioned to see real minorities in the same way.

It also depends on which circles you look at. When the movie came out, I didn't see it as a problem because most of my circle was white. They were used to this racial allegory and it was normal to them. Then I started browsing online and seeing what actual minorities would post and it was black and brown people, most at risk of being branded as dangerous, who were disturbed and felt this was a bad message and dehumanizing to them. Especially when coupled with the pro-police agenda since it's black and brown people most at risk of being targeted and killed. Zootopia is the ultimate glorification of cops and cop culture, right down to victimizing minorities, but they present it in a way that for the average white person, they can see this movie as being liberal and anti-bigotry when it really isn't. It just packages the message into a neater box so that children are indoctrinated with pro-police, anti-minority messages while thinking they are better human beings for it. Very insidious of Disney. The black and brown people I'm privileged to know in real life now do not like this movie and would never support it especially for the glorification of cops. After reading how the LA Mulan was glorifying the FBI by spreading its propaganda, I'm wary of anything Disney makes now because it's always pro-establishment. I will stick to China which may have national propaganda but doesn't hide it whereas western powers pretend to be morally superior but have as much propaganda, if not more.

[Lavendergolden]

Enough with the nods and the Easter eggs. It's clear after Wish, they don't know how to do them right.

Agreed. If there was one thing that was genuniely bad about Wish, it was the Easter Eggs. They were awful, tacky and not particularly executed well. Especially with Peter Pan.

Agreed. Also it was weird that they racewashed Peter Pan to make him more ethnic looking. I'm starting to feel that part of Disney's propaganda behind racewashing is to piss off enough white people that they start hating minorities for the racewashing. This is why Disney keeps doubling down on making everyone black or brown and ignoring European culture so that there is racial backlash and unrest towards minorities who don't actually care for the racewashing or approve of it. It's always fake white liberalism advocating for it.

[Lavendergolden]

Im gonna give WDAS one last chance with this one (again) as Zootopia was one of my childhood favourites. I think tackling racism through animals was clever and a save choice. Thats one of the things you shouldnt overanalyze i guess because its just a metaphora and metaphoras lose substance or sense when you overthink it. The only critique i could give this film is that I just think Zootopia alongside every "mystery: whos the killer " type of flicks age more poorly as your kinda over the whole suspense after first watch, especially when the whole story is build on that, but i still like it

About the corruption of cops:
Technically the movie leaned kinda on that. Judy thinks at paper it looks like being a cop is just doing the right thing and atresting thiefs and criminals, but as the story moves forward, she sees the bitter cracks of the system and how cops dont just are problem solvers, but can also support to devide people and abuse their powers and have to be loyal to corrupt Systems, which is part of why she quit. But if the governent is watching: I LOVE cops!

I have the same problem with mystery movies. They are interesting the first time you watch them but they lose rewatchability appeal if you know the killer/culprit. Especially when the villain in this case is a midget sheep.

Lol the last part made me laugh.

[PatchofBlue]

I can't speak for everyone, but the people I know who belong to historically marginalized racial groups aren't any more or less likely to have strong feelings against the movie. I'll take you at your word, but I might add that I just don't see that sentiment echoed at all among people I know. I see that kind of thing a little more on spaces like Twitter/X, but that's always been kind of its own space ...

I'm also not sure how tailored the movie is to make white people feel good about themselves. I'd actually argue the opposite. Judy has always felt like a deconstruction/rebuttal of the "white savior" figure that tended to emerge in these kinds of stories until very recently. She starts the film believing that she is in the right because she demonstrates a very entry-level form of allyship, one that mostly sets her above people who aren't as righteous as her. "I just can't believe there are still people with such backwards attitudes about foxes!"

But a big part of her arc is reckoning with the fact that she has absorbed latent prejudice against the people she thought she was helping. Moreover, she goes to great lengths to make proper restitutions--apologizing to Nick, and fighting to pull the curtain back behind the machinations that were punishing the offended group. There is also an expectation for continued progression, that these are thing she will have to continue to work on. These are not things that your basic white person wants to do, which is where the strength of the film really reveals itself.

I think we all lose when we stop trying to look for room for improvement with these things, but I also feel like they were deliberate with their phrasing, and the machinery of it all checks out.

Would be funny if they throw in their flops like "Fish" or "Stange Zoo" and he could say those Bootlegs didnt sell well

[Disney's Divinity]

Yeah, X is not real life. Most people don't hate police officers, and nobody sees movies like this or Mulan as police propaganda. Absurd to the extreme.