How Cinderella's 2005 Release was Restored Very Wrongly

[ajmrowland]

^actually, I think they'll keep at it with 3D. the fab four are their top sellers.

[Marky_198]

Since Disney did such a great restoration on Cinderella, I've asked them to restore one of my drawings, which was in dire need of repair:



There! Good as new.

Wow!!

That's exactly what they did with Cinderella!

Disney classic versus saturday morning cartoon.

Spot on. From the lips to the lines in clothes to the fingers.

[ajmrowland]

^yeah, it actually kinda looks that way, just a little more exaggerrated.

though it still looks only half like a saturday morning cartoon.

[Marky_198]

Have I mentioned how NERVOUS I am that there are going to be artistic changes made to The Little Mermaid during it's 3D conversion for next year?

I'm very glad I have the first dvd edition of TLM, the one with all the outlines and the colors we watched in cinema's. The one without promotional material, the menu starts immediately when you pop it in. The one that is not ruined by the new Disney yet.

For Cinderella, I think we have to find a way to put the laserdisc version on dvd and treasure it for the new generations.

[Marky_198]

though it still looks only half like a saturday morning cartoon.

I agree, in saturday morning cartoons you get to see the whole fingers and more outlines in clothes.

[ajmrowland]

^er.........yes, and the animation is much cheaper and regardless of color scheme, less artistic.

[ajmrowland]

Have I mentioned how NERVOUS I am that there are going to be artistic changes made to The Little Mermaid during it's 3D conversion for next year?

I'm very glad I have the first dvd edition of TLM, the one with all the outlines and the colors we watched in cinema's. The one without promotional material, the menu starts immediately when you pop it in. The one that is not ruined by the new Disney yet.

For Cinderella, I think we have to find a way to put the laserdisc version on dvd and treasure it for the new generations.

assuming you can actually remember what you saw in the cinema and not confuse it with old mastered laserdiscs, dvds, and cassettes.

[Marky_198]

assuming you can actually remember what you saw in the cinema and not confuse it with old mastered laserdiscs, dvds, and cassettes.

Definitely.

I have many books with screenshots, the original cinema cards, trailer material on other dvd's, which all looks exactly like what the film was back then.

Of course I had all the material when it came out and there was no difference whatsoever when I watched it in the cinema. Also, no-one else ever noticed any difference.

Or do you think they put the outlines in just for the cinema cards and screenshots in books?

[ajmrowland]

^none of which are actually the film print that ran in the projection booth in 1989. If you're really that dedicated to making such a point, then by all means, you're free to track down the copy of the movie that you saw in that particular cinema.

But I know better than to argue with you.

[Marky_198]

So what's your point in this thread?

That we are all stupid and that the outlines and details were never there in the cinema, they were just added for the screenshots, stills, books, trailers, laserdisc versions and cinema cards?

[The_Iceflash]

So what's your point in this thread?

That we are all stupid and that the outlines and details were never there in the cinema, they were just added for the screenshots, stills, books, trailers, laserdisc versions and cinema cards?

I think those all should be taken with a grain of salt. In trailers they even use different voice actors.

Some things we can base off of those sources, others not. Pinocchio's screenshots had the tell tale sign of wear. It looked very oversaturated. It shouldn't look like that. The candle and surrounding light shouldn't have looked nearly as washed out as it did. With grain, if there is excessive amounts of it, that's a tell tale sign that a nth generation print is being used. All those sources you listed aren't good overall identifiers of things such as color, brightness, saturation, etc.

[Marce82]

Hey everyone,

So several weeks ago, I posted that I had found a torrent of the laserdisc version of Cinderella. Sadly, it only downloaded one day, and it only got up to 25% of the entire file. I am still waiting for someone else to "source" the file...

Anyway... does anyone have a laserdisc-captured version of the film?

[The_Iceflash]

Hey everyone,

So several weeks ago, I posted that I had found a torrent of the laserdisc version of Cinderella. Sadly, it only downloaded one day, and it only got up to 25% of the entire file. I am still waiting for someone else to "source" the file...

Anyway... does anyone have a laserdisc-captured version of the film?

I actually have the laserdisc itself. I picked it up in 2008 as part of a 2 for $5 deal at a flea market. I also got Beauty and the Beast in that deal. Ironcally those two are the ones with the biggest restoration debates. I don't have a player though. I can't remember the aspect ratio of my BatB one at the moment.

[Marky_198]

I think those all should be taken with a grain of salt. In trailers they even use different voice actors.

That's a whole different story. That has to do with the rights/buy out fee for the actors.

We are talking about removing things here. When an arm and a dress are now one big blue patch, and in all the screenshots, stills, books, trailers, laserdisc versions and cinema cards form back then there is a clear separation and line that actually defines an arm, or the material of a dress, do you really think they added that line just for fun for all that material?

What are you thinking?

Is it that hard to admit something is clearly wrong with this restoration?

[Elladorine]

Once we have an actual screencap of the shot I posted on Blu-ray and if the detail is still indeed lost, I will personally attempt to contact Don Hahn via Facebook. Something short and polite of course, to ask if he's aware of the situation and if anything can be done.

Once again, overall colors are subjective. Missing line art and separated colors bleeding into each other are not. The original artists took great care to animate, ink, and paint the lines in. Camera tests were done to ensure everything was captured properly on film. And now . . . much of the intended detail is apparently lost.

[Lnds500]

Once we have an actual screencap of the shot I posted on Blu-ray and if the detail is still indeed lost, I will personally attempt to contact Don Hahn via Facebook. Something short and polite of course, to ask if he's aware of the situation and if anything can be done.

Once again, overall colors are subjective. Missing line art and separated colors bleeding into each other are not. The original artists took great care to animate, ink, and paint the lines in. Camera tests were done to ensure everything was captured properly on film. And now . . . much of the intended detail is apparently lost.

which one? the one she is running down the stairs?

[Elladorine]

which one? the one she is running down the stairs?

Yes, this one here:

[Lnds500]

which one? the one she is running down the stairs?

Yes, this one here:

yeah, that's still there but i can take a screenshot if you need proof

[PatrickvD]

Ugh, clearly the restoration was done by Bill Gates himself in Microsoft Paint™




It's depressing.

[Elladorine]

yeah, that's still there but i can take a screenshot if you need proof

I'm assuming the one I posted was from the DVD? I don't doubt that it's still there now but I'd like to have the actual shot from the Blu-ray so I can attach the proper comparison when I message him.

Obviously, no guarantees that he'll respond at all or that he'll have any authority over it, but I'm guessing he'll be more concerned than anyone that sends out automated messages on behalf of Disney.