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Sotiris wrote::roll: Another act that promotes and perpetuates ignorance, bigotry, and hatred. Sometimes I feel that things will never change for the better.
This makes me wonder, at what age should children become aware of the existence of gay people? Technically, if children are allowed to believe in a man and a woman loving each other, then what's wrong with them knowing of a man loving another man (or a woman loving another woman)? Yet, even as I type this, something inside me says "no". Perhaps children will find it hard to understand, anyway? I have 6 and 7-year old nephews. I wonder when my brother will decide they're old enough to know I'm gay.

Hmm ...
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Julian Carter wrote:I wonder when my brother will decide they're old enough to know I'm gay.
So, your family knows you're gay? Did you tell them or did they find out? How did they react?
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Sotiris wrote:
Julian Carter wrote:I wonder when my brother will decide they're old enough to know I'm gay.
So, your family knows you're gay? Did you tell them or did they find out? How did they react?
I told them. In the beginning I did that to ease the pain (when I was younger, at 13 or 14 years I felt that being gay was like a ... defect). My family was always accepting. The first person I told was my mother. She would comfort me and tell me not to worry. She probably told me to "shelve" the problem, and that I was still quite young ... maybe my sexual orientation wasn't yet set in stone (something many people told me as recently as a few years ago). I lost my mother soon after.

My brothers are fine with it too. My father reacts rather strangely to my being gay though. When I talk to him about it, he feels a little uncomfortable and he always seems to admit that he really doesn't believe I'm gay. I don't get mad at him for it. Truth be told I actually find it kind of funny. :lol: My father isn't anti-gay. He just doesn't seem convinced I'm gay. In his opinion I'm heterosexual.

But I don't care what he thinks. I love my father. He's the only parent I have left.
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Julian Carter wrote:This makes me wonder, at what age should children become aware of the existence of gay people? Technically, if children are allowed to believe in a man and a woman loving each other, then what's wrong with them knowing of a man loving another man (or a woman loving another woman)? Yet, even as I type this, something inside me says "no".
That's your heavy religious upbringing inside you, that you still need to shake off if you ever want to be happy with yourself. I don't mean this as an insult. I truly believe this. Because there is no rational justification for not instructing children about homosexuality. Like you said, heterosexuality is accepted, so why shouldn't homosexuality receive the same treatment? There is nothing inappropriate about it. If you believe teaching kids about heterosexuality is okay, but telling them about homosexuality is 'inappropriate'... you have issues with gays/being gay. What other explanation is there? I don't see any.
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@Julian: My family acted the same way, too, for a while. They would keep on saying "when you have a girlfriend/wife," etc. With my mom and sister, I just laugh and say, "You'll be waiting a long time for that, then."

It's best to kill their dreams quickly and consistently, imo. :wink: :lol:
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Julian, I came in to say that I did not know you had lost your mother, and I'm so sorry that you did. But I'm glad she sounded so kind and comforting, and I'm glad you have a loving family with you.

Also, decide for yourself what you believe, but if you do want to think logically, there is nothing different about learning that there are people who love the same sex the same way people love the opposite sex. Some people even feel they are gay from a very young age. I know I had my little crushes from at least 2nd grade, though I didn't know what they were, which is why knowing that homosexuality existed may have helped.

Only people that believe homosexuality is wrong or evil would not let their kids know until they're older when they learn about all the good or bad in the world, while some people wouldn't want them to know about homsexuality at all!
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CampbellzSoup wrote: While I choose to lurk in the shadows of the gay spectacle I do not renounce who I am, and will gladly hold my boyfriends’ hand out in public. I'm not ashamed of who I am, but I don't think the entire world needs to know that I'm gay...I'm Michael, being gay is just a part of who I am, not what I am.
Well to be honest, I used to label myself as bisexual for a long time, to try to just accept myself, even though I have very little sexual attraction to the opposite sex, it wasn't until recently when my parents found out I was gay that I began to accept myself. (they took me to a phsychiatrist who was honest enough to tell me that it was not a choice, something that I had to accept sooner or later) My parents still don't accept my true sexuality and they never will, so I never discuss it with them at all.
I am a proud gay man too but I'm from a region where we have no gay rights at all, which is sad. Me and my boyfriend almost always pass as best friends so it's great that nobody notices what's really going on between us, I hope that one day I too could get a chance to walk hand in hand with him on the beach someday. :)
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^ I hope you do too Jack. :D

More polling information on how much more gay people have been accepted over the last 4 years within the US, and how out of touch with society old people and Republicans really are:

http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2011/0 ... -marriage/
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U.N. council passes gay rights resolution

(CNN) -- In what the U.S. State Department is calling a "historic step," the U.N. Human Rights Council passed a resolution Friday supporting equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation.

The resolution, introduced by South Africa, is the first-ever U.N. resolution on the human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered persons.

It passed with 23 votes in favor, 19 opposed and three abstentions amid strong criticism of South Africa by some African nations.

Suzanne Nossel, deputy assistant secretary of state for international organizations, told CNN, "It really is a key part in setting a new norm that gay rights are human rights and that that has to be accepted globally."

"It talks about the violence and discrimination that people of LGBT persuasion experience around the world," she said, "and that those issues ... need to be taken seriously. It calls for reporting on what's going on, where people are being discriminated against, the violence that is taking place, and it really puts the issue squarely on the U.N.'s agenda going forward."

Divided opinion continues among some countries about whether the time has come to take up gay rights in the U.N. forum, Nossel said, "so this resolution is really significant as far as gaining widespread support for doing just that."

The State Department lobbied intensively for the resolution, and Nossel said the United States was pleased to see African leadership, from South Africa in particular, as well as strong support from South America, Colombia and Brazil.

The resolution also will commission the first-ever U.N. report on the challenges that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people face around the globe. Nossel said the Obama administration hopes it will "open a broader international discussion on how to best promote and protect the human rights of LGBT persons."

In March the U.N. Human Rights Council adopted a statement, supported by 85 countries, on gay rights called "Ending Violence Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity."

Friday's vote "marks a victory for defenders of human rights," said Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "It sends a clear message that abuses based on sexual orientation and gender identity must end."

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has made gay rights a key focus of the State Department's human rights agenda, expressing her view that "gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights."

At a gay pride event this month at the State Department, Clinton said, "Men and women are harassed, beaten, subjected to sexual violence, even killed, because of who they are and whom they love. Some are driven from their homes or countries, and many who become refugees confront new threats in their countries of asylum. In some places, violence against the LGBT community is permitted by law and inflamed by public calls to violence; in others, it persists insidiously behind closed doors."

Nossel told CNN, "it's not like discrimination or violence are going to end overnight" because of the U.N. resolution, "but now ... when there are proposals in parliaments or legislatures around the world to illegalize gay activity or repress people because of their sexual orientation, opponents can point to this and say, 'Hey, the U.N. has spoken out, there is a resolution that rejects this squarely.'

"That is the way these international norms are built," she said. "It's not from scratch. On women's rights, on minority rights, it builds up over time. So this is really a critical beginning of a universal recognition of a new set of rights that forms part of the international system."
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europ ... bt.rights/


19 countries in the UN Human Rights Council opposed the resolution, all Arab and African countries. This only further proves what a joke the UN 'Human Rights Council' is. Among its member are glorious nations like Uganda, China, Bahrein, Malysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia (where women today protested not being allowed to drive cars!) and, until the beginning of this year, Libya! :roll:
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Despite the lack of support from the obvious countries, I still feel this is good news as any international support for the LGBT community is.

In other news I'm really annoyed with the delays regarding NY's SSM bill still not getting a Senate vote. It does however appear to be getting a chance this week, where there would be a strong chance for passing.

And Liechtenstein legalized Civil Unions by 68.8% of voters.
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Good news all around.

I’m still don’t understand why a lot of times gay marriage (in the US) is left up to public vote. That’s like waiting on white slave-owners to pass emancipation. :lol: :roll:
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NY has become state number 6 to legalize SSM. The vote passed the State senate just a few minutes ago and the cheers could very clearly be heard from inside! The Bill passed 36-26.

EDIT: That vote was for the ammendments, not the actual bill, but the vote count (and cheers) were accurate. It's being discussed now.

EDIT 2: OK, now the bill has passed. 33-29.
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This is great news for NY! I'm thrilled that a state like NY, which is a really strong leader in this country, has finally passed this. Just recently Illinois legalized civil unions rather easily, and I'm hoping that this comes soon.

I also feel that Obama might end up making a big push for nation-wide gay marriage after all the good press is made about this. Recently he's said that in the past he hasn't agreed with gay marriage, but that his views have been changing. Legalizing gay marriage, tapping into the oil reserves, and bringing home troops from Afghanistan may give him a good platform for re-election.
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If Obama did push for nation-wide gay marriage, which I doubt he would, he would wait until his 2nd term when he would have nothing to lose.

It probably wouldn't matter though. The next Republican president would probably wipe all his work away--like they're trying to do now, before he's even out of office.
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Great news from New York!

Are any of you familiar with the extreme right-wing forum Free Republic? Heads exploded all over the place there last friday! I've never read such hateful comments grouped together. These people are saying the US, the world and civilization as we know it will end because of this... :roll:

Anyway, they can't stop progress!

To celebrate, look what they did with the Empire State Building that night:

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^ I saw that elsewhere online, it's beautiful! A nice touch for the new law and the Pride events in the city.

In other news Maine is now trying to overturn the vote preventing gay marriage from being legalized and Rhode Island could soon become the 4th state this year to legalize SS Civil Unions. However that law is getting serious criticism for having too much in the way of religious exemptions:

http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2011/0 ... nion-bill/
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Yay, our government masters are allowing us have our rights. Too bad marriage is something the government doesn't have any business being involved in the first place (Federal or State level).
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That's a beautiful picture, Goliath! What a great tribute to it finally being passed. :)

I was estatic when I heard about the decision after reading a lot of the articles online...of course, until I went and looked down at the comments. It just saddens me at how many hateful bigoted people there out there.

I think Golden Girls put why gay marriage is so important best in this clip:
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LMAO that guy was so freaked out ^^
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