Are You Gay 2? It's a New, More Fabulous Thread!

[Mooky]

You know, as absurd as that article sounds, it may hold some water. I'm not saying Disney turns kids gay or that kids can be turned gay, it's just that some Disney movies resonate better with gay boys making them more receptive to certain aspects of those movies. Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, because I didn't pick up on gay-subtexts of The Little Mermaid and Mulan till I was well into my adolescence. So who really knows if (gay) kids even notice these things.

As for me, I didn't get into Disney until I was about 9. I was more interested in stuff like Ninja Turtles or Robotech, so maybe I should I blame those shows for not making me straight .

[Goliath]

Any thoughts on the decisions made last week in Iowa and Vermont? Which state will be next? And will California ever regain its title of 'most progressive state' after Iowa surpassed them?

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I think it's great. 4 states down, 46 to go.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Gay men are invariably captivated by larger-than-life feminine images, and they do not choose men as their icons. Instead, they become enthralled with Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Bette Davis, and Bette Midler (tough, assertive, "phallic" women) or Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and Princess Di (tragic, misunderstood women). As children, they are captivated by images of Pocahontas, the Little Mermaid and Cinderella. Adulation of female icons permits an escape into the secret feminine fantasy of childhood, providing an evasion to escape the challenge of developing their masculine potential.

I found that to be pretty interesting. I mean, no duh about gay men choosing women as their icons and loving Disney princesses... but to say it causes gay children?

Thoughts/comments?

I rather disagree, with both your comment and theirs about the named women. Personally, I much prefer watching Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki in Supernatural, Tom Welling in Smallville etc.

Then again, I don't really associate myself very often with things that are considered gay as I've said twice before here. So I suppose my case might not count as much

[Disney's Divinity]

Any thoughts on the decisions made last week in Iowa and Vermont? Which state will be next?

How can I not have heard about this? I expect my conservative news station chose to overlook it.

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Any thoughts on the decisions made last week in Iowa and Vermont? Which state will be next?

How can I not have heard about this? I expect my conservative news station chose to overlook it.

Ew, why would you watch a conservative news station?

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't watch the news consistently, so I just stick it to whichever's on when I'm at the TV.

[Goliath]

Ew, why would you watch a conservative news station?

Well, why would you watch *any* tv station? News programs have stopped to offer real news for a loooooong time. It's all fluff, nonsense and status quo-propaganda. (I've been following American media for quite some time now.)

What are your thoughts on this ad that was put out by the 'National Organization for Marriage'? I think it's even more ridiculous than your average anti-gay marriage propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lZL5UIeMk

After all these years, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why somebody else's marriage would affect other's (especially straight people's, apparently).

[Flanger-Hanger]

I'd watch that, but after writing a paper on the issue in the states I've heard enough stupidity on the subject for one life time.

Glad to hear Iowa (you really ought to give Iowa, a try!) and Vermont joining the other two. Any updates on California's position? In my research they seemed to be reconsidering the idea.

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Ah yes. The "Rainbow Coalition"

How dumb are these people? Are they aware that a rainbow is the gay flag?

Unless... OMG, we have a man on the inside!



And as for the line "They want to change the way I live"

Really? Lady, no one is gonna force you to marry a lesbian.



It's all crap.

[SpringHeelJack]

Really? Lady, no one is gonna force you to marry a lesbian.

Actually, in the interest of honesty, I was going to force a couple of angry straight women to marry lesbians via shotgun wedding. Just so we have full disclosure here.

Also, California's constitution is easier to change than wikipedia. I don't think it will be too long before we have some progress there.

[Disney Duster]

This is kind of related to the whole "Disney movies making kids gay" thing and what I've been saying about how I feel gayness goes beyond liking the same sex, certain things in musical theater, sparklyness, or Disney films seem to resonate with us gay guys. By the way, I don't think Disney films make you gay. It's more like, you like the Disney films when you are young because you have been born gay, so naturally if you are born gay, you would show signs of being gay when you are young and watching "kid's films", Disney films.

So anyway...

For a while I wanted to make a thread about "How Disney Helped Me Realize I Was Gay" or something. People like me would write how Disney experiences seemed connected to them knowing they were gay. But I think that would have bad reactions.

I was going to write something like this, so I'll put it here instead:

Well, when I was 3, I watched Cinderella and The Wizard of Oz when I broke my arm on a playground. My mom says they were probably the first movies I saw, she and my dad rented them to make me feel better with my broken arm. But I must have picked them out, must have chosen them when I saw them. Why would a parent think a little boy would like Cinderella, unless they knew somehow before I was 3, oh man. You all know The Wizard of Oz is also said to be very gay, too? Even though it is beloved by everyone in the world, if it were to be tied to a specific group, gays would be that group. So anyway, I loved the films. So I tried to watch them again and again, and I asked for, and recieved, Cinderella on video for Christmas. My mom said she first wondered if I might be gay when I asked for a Cinderella doll for Christmas. I actually asked Santa for one in the mall. I was very young then. The Christmas after that, I actually think I remember wanting to ask for something Cinderella again, but I said "I don't know" when Santa asked what I wanted, because I thought he would think it was weird, wrong, girly, whatever. Yes, you learn quickly when you're young.

So of course I began to think liking princesses and some "girlier" things was wrong and bad, just like I would later find out me liking boys instead of girls was wrong and bad. My parents, thank God for them, they let me like what I liked, and got me things I liked, girly or princessy or whatever. But they also let me know I shouldn't be too open about it in public.

I also liked Pinocchio since I was little. And my favorite part was when his nose grew. And I didn't want him to become real, I wanted him to be a bad boy and do whatever he wanted. And as I grew up I realized - I think me liking Pinocchio being bad and his nose growing was...connected to...guys in general being "naughty" and a part of their body that kind of looks like that phallic nose growing! C'mon, his nose looks pretty phallic, and grows when he does the naughty thing of telling lies. I also had a Pinocchio plush that was about the same size as me when I was little. And it's only more telling that the commercial for the plush featured giggling girls loving him. But I slept with that plush, along with some other stuffed animals, at night, and I think I loved Pinocchio and treated him in a more caring way than a boy might treat his G.I. Joe. I don't know if I can say it was a romantic way, but it could've been the beginnings of it. I even dreamed about saving Pinocchio from all the people trying to punish him for being bad. Yup, I fantasized about saving him, caring for him, protecting him.

Anyway, later, The Hunchback of Notre Dame had a really gay connection to me. I think I thought Quasimodo was cute, and that's the fault of Disney for trying to turn all the good guys into appealing, cute characters. But then there's that scene where he's made fun of, jeered at, almost attacked by the townspeople, especially townsmen, and his clothes are partly ripped up, revealing some skin. And I...really liked that part. A lot. I think it even resonated with my desire to protect some guy from people trying to hurt him.

Oh, I almost forgot, I bet I partly liked Hercules so much because he was so cute. No, he was freakin' hot! But really, adorable. And the outfits he wore. Oh, yes.

Recently I feel I have fallen in love with a boy just one year younger than my adult self who's also in college and he has short black hair with enough hair to poof and curl in the front like Pinocchio...I care for him and want him to do whatever he wants, even be bad, hell I want him to be bad, and I care for him, want to protect him, and want to save him from anyone who tries to hurt him or make him feel bad. But he currently says he doesn't want me. ! Ah, life.

So that's Disney and my gay self...anyone want to say anything or share something along the same lines?

I feel like Disney is connected to me, and connected to me being gay, like I like Disney because I'm me, and I'm gay, and maybe I like Disney because I'm gay, I don't know how, but it all just connects. I was so happy to find out that Disney was considered something gay, something so many gay guys love, it made me feel normal, apart of something.

I feel kind of sad when I find out other gay guys aren't like me. It almost hurts when they don't like Disney, or Oz, or glitter.

I still believe if you are gay, there's more gay to you than just liking the same sex, you just don't realize it or don't think so. It doesn't have to be musicals or flamboyance. But some other things. But you can see why I love the strong bonding of identifying yourself with all these gay things. If all gay men could share was talking about what guys are cute, there just wouldn't be as much to talk about, as strong of a bond. Maybe it's like how straight men feel more manly thinking sports is such a guy thing, even though they know girls like sports too. It's not only a thing guys do, it's just...it feels like "a guy thing". I feel happy thinking I'm so gay, when I feel so many gay men are like me...

Well I wrote a lot. Once again, back to my Disney and me being gay story, anyone want to say anything or share something along the same lines? Or anything I wrote in this post...?

[Disney's Divinity]

I remember always wanting to watch Wizard of Oz as a child because I was obsessed with Glinda's dress. I drew a lot as a child, and dresses seemed to inspire me. TLM especially inspired me to draw because everything's so fluid underwater (and Ursula's tentacles). I remember the blue alien in The Fifth Element also giving me a kick for some reason.

Anyway, I don't remember any Disney films ever really resonating with me, in a personal way (instead of a "that was so awesome!" way) as a child besides The Little Mermaid. I also really related to Jim in Treasure Planet, though I was around 13 then. Not really because I was gay--I didn't really have an attraction for anyone until about 8th grade--but because I've always had a distant relationship with my father. We don't hate each other or anything, but we'd rather not be around each other. Because I think he's stupid and he thinks I'm strange. Hence my relationship with Jim and Ariel, though I think Triton's more likable than my dad.

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C'mon, who didn't love re-enacting all of Ariel's scenes when they were at the beach or in a pool...

Or in the shower, in your bedroom, in the car...


Ok, so I pretty much did it everywhere! Not unlike today, however...

[SpringHeelJack]

...I totally recreated scenes from "The Little Mermaid" as a child in the bathtub. Oh, young me. The things you did.

[Simba3]

...I totally recreated scenes from "The Little Mermaid" as a child in the bathtub. Oh, young me. The things you did.

My best friend Nate still emerges from the water like Ariel and does the hair flip every time we go swimming. He's 24. And gay. Did I even need to mention the last part?

[Flanger-Hanger]

Nate sounds amazing. I need cool gay friends like him.

For me it wasn't until recently (like 2005) that I really started liking Little Mermaid. I used to watch it all the time with my cousin but I never cared much for it then.

[stewie15]

I dont think disney is the reason im gay, but I dont think it helped either. When I was was around 4 or 5, at least once a week I would put on the BATB soundtract and reenact the entine movie song by song. I played all the characters, but playing belle was always my favourite. I also remember playing SB in kindergarden and not wanting to be philip because he didnt get to wear a dress. So I put the dress on and forced my friend (a girl) to put on the cape and be the prince. I one thing Ive always liked about the princeses were there clothes, I always hated that the disney boys never got to wear anything that nice.

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My best friend Nate still emerges from the water like Ariel and does the hair flip every time we go swimming.

Yeah... my friends all laugh when they go swimming with me. Apparently I swim like a gay merman even when I don't mean to.

[my chicken is infected]

C'mon, who didn't love re-enacting all of Ariel's scenes when they were at the beach or in a pool...

You've been spying on me all my life, haven't you? <_<