Mars Needs Moms (ImageMovers)

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:31 pm

enigmawing wrote:Like I said, just . . . ugly.

And racist

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:51 pm

pap64 wrote:
rs_milo_whatever wrote: Can't they pay the bills by selling a better product? Yeah, it sucks that a lot of people will have to omit something off their resume, but they already got payed. A kick in the pants is a good thing, they can't expect us to give them millions of dollars on a condescending movie forever.
First of all, the ANIMATORS don't decide what movie they make. The ones that do are the producers, directors and the corporate people. They often do these projects because work is work.

I realize that the topic lies in a gray area, but all the fault should NOT lie in the animators alone, especially when all they do is get the movie made under the rules of the company and its producers. Again, not saying that the movie should be an extreme success, especially if it doesn't deserve it. Just saying that there is more to a movie than just a director, some producers and a corporation, that hundreds of people are affected by the poor decisions of these people, so regardless if the movie was great or not it demise shouldn't be of celebration because in the end EVERYONE is affected by it.

I do get what you're saying, but I don't think anyone here is celebrating the fact that the people were laid off.

But if we look further down the road... let's say this movie did okay. And then they made another one... and it did okay. And so on and so on. With each movie released, the "Disney" brand, that is so trusted by families, eventually would descend to be meaningless, because quality was seen less and less. Eventually, the studio would start having bigger issues than to have to close IMD. Worse case scenario, the general public would start to gravitate away from animation in general, because so many low-quality films were being released. That, in turn, would certainly lead to bigger laying-offs than this. The couple hundred people at IMD have probably already found new jobs. There are quite a bit out there right now in the animation world.

Like Big One said, I think we dodged a bullet.

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:26 pm

Sotiris wrote:
enigmawing wrote:Like I said, just . . . ugly.
And racist

Yep, just as I told Big One on Aim, it look like a Jamaican Rastafarians rapist.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:58 am

People are so quick to accuse things of being racist. just because it's a stereotype doesn't make it racist, or even inherently a bad thing.

Not that Ive even seen the movie, but one stereotypical character doesn't represent an entire race. Unimaginative, sure. but not racist.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:09 am

Kyle wrote:People are so quick to accuse things of being racist. just because it's a stereotype doesn't make it racist, or even inherently a bad thing.

Not that Ive even seen the movie, but one stereotypical character doesn't represent an entire race. Unimaginative, sure. but not racist.

I was trying to figure out how to say this. You said it well.

Stereotype ≠ Racism

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:29 am

yeah stereotype does not mean racist. people often get two confuse.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:01 am

Kyle wrote:People are so quick to accuse things of being racist. just because it's a stereotype doesn't make it racist, or even inherently a bad thing.

Not that Ive even seen the movie, but one stereotypical character doesn't represent an entire race. Unimaginative, sure. but not racist.

Perhaps not all types of stereotypes but racial and ethnic stereotypes are a product of a racist mentality/culture.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:28 am

Toon Tuesday: "Mars Needs Moms" Simon Wells has his priorities well in order
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief ... order.aspx

But when Simon and I spoke on Friday, he was full of fun stories about what it was like to work with Robert Zemeckis. How excited Wells was to making a movie with the man who had made Simon's absolute favorite film, 1985's "Back to the Future."

"Wendy and I pitched two very different versions of 'Mars Needs Mars' to Zemeckis. And Robert's initial reaction was 'Eh,' and 'Not so much,' " Wells explained. "Finally he told us 'Look, stop pitching me the movie that you think I want make and start telling me about your movie. The one that you want to make.' It was that version of this story, the one which stressed all of the adventures that a 9 year-old boy might have if he went to Mars, that Zemeckis eventually signed off on."

As for Disney's decision to pull the plug on this state-of-the-art production facility this time last year, Simon was somewhat philosophical.

"Decisions like that are made above my pay grade," Simon said. "Besides, I've worked in animation all of my life. So I'm used to studios suddenly opening and closing. I remember back in the 1980s when I working for Richard Williams. We were the animation studio that did most of the work on 'Roger Rabbit.' And the Disney executives told us that 'We love what you've done. You did such high quality work on Roger Rabbit that we're going to keep this studio up and running. We're going to find new films for you guys to work on.' And within a year, the place was closed. Mind you, it was nothing personal. That's just the way things are in the animation business."

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:01 am

Insiders at Disney are denying a Hollywood Reporter story that a lousy opening weekend for the Robert Zemeckis-produced animated film Mars Needs Moms sank Yellow Submarine, the 3D remake of the psychedelic animated Beatles film that Zemeckis had set up to direct at the studio in August 2009.

It is true that Disney won't go forward with the project, but insiders said that decision was made months ago. At that point, Zemeckis was given permission to shop the film elsewhere. This makes some sense, coming in the aftermath of Disney's announcement it would shutter ImageMovers Digital, the animation factory based in Marin County, CA. Disney announced a year ago it would shutter the 450-employee animation facility once work was completed on Mars Needs Moms. It's not immediately clear whether Zemeckis will try hard to dock Submarine elsewhere.

Source: http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/disney- ... submarine/

Disney closed ImageMovers Digital last March after Mr. Cook’s successor, Rich Ross, viewed footage of “Mars Needs Moms.” About two months ago, Disney quietly pulled the plug on what was to be Mr. Zemeckis’s next directing project there: : “Yellow Submarine,” a 3-D adaptation of the 1968 Beatles cartoon.

The company decided to proceed with “Mars Needs Moms” in part because it had already spent so much on it and in part because some executives, notably ones left from the Cook era, acted as cheerleaders for the project.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/busin ... l?_r=2&hpw

gardener14 · Post by **gardener14** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:46 pm

In the weeks leading up to the release of "Mars Needs Moms," Disney knew interest in the film was tepid at best. But no one was prepared for such a disastrous box office wipeout.

From a financial standpoint, "Mars" could be one of the biggest write-offs in modern Hollywood history, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Article titled: Why Disney's Mars Needs Moms Bombed
http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/905-w ... -bombed?nc

Mason_Ireton · Post by **Mason_Ireton** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:42 pm

I haven't seen it, but I'm not too freaked bout Disney losing BIG Lion King numbers that they expected to bring in. I'm actualy surprised that people didn't consider the Earthquake/Tsunami disastor as a reason for the movie's nosedive along with other movies that were released last Fri.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:55 pm

Mason_Ireton wrote:I haven't seen it, but I'm not too freaked bout Disney losing BIG Lion King numbers that they expected to bring in. I'm actualy surprised that people didn't consider the Earthquake/Tsunami disastor as a reason for the movie's nosedive along with other movies that were released last Fri.

I don't think the tsunami had that much influence on this weekend's numbers. After all, the #1 movie was a movie in which Los Angeles is almost destroyed and it managed over $35 million to boot. Rango also held up very well, so I imagine families were following the positive word-of-mouth it was generating. And I imagine the poor reaction to Mars Needs Moms will keep families and other movie-goers going to Rango for the next couple of weeks.

Mason_Ireton · Post by **Mason_Ireton** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:10 pm

I see your point Estefan, didn't quite get positive word on "Mars", true Rango held up pretty well over the weekend.

When I saw preview/images from "Mars" it seemed a bit... too realistic especialy the humans. I don't mind Mot.Cap. It was really ground breakin in Avatar. Perhaps Robert Z. should work on Roger Rabbit 2 and maybe a 4th Back To Future (that'd be awesome)

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:13 pm

Zemeckis has said he will never make Back to the Future Part IV. Like I said before, I predict Roger Rabbit 2 will be his next project, especially if he wants to gain Disney's trust again.

Mason_Ireton · Post by **Mason_Ireton** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:16 pm

No B.T.F 4? damn, I was hopin there'd be one, really enjoyed the triology.

So let me get this straight, Zemeckis was pretty much owned by Disney since Roger Rabbit, then pop ups in late 2000 with Polar Express/X-Mas Carol

Duckburger · Post by **Duckburger** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:57 pm

Not exactly, after Roger Rabbit he directed Forrest Gump, Death Becomes Her, Contact, Back to the Future II & III and Cast Away. He was also some sort of producer on the Tales from the Crypt tv show if memory serves me right.

I've always wondered why Zemeckis was so fascinated with motion capture animation. The technique is pretty cool, but the results are almost always horrible. I honestly don't see the appeal. And this film bombing hard at the box office comes as no surprise. I doubt anyone was expecting this to go well. Butt-ugly zombies being taken away by aliens. What... a brilliant premise.

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:02 pm

Duckburger wrote:Not exactly, after Roger Rabbit he directed Forrest Gump, Death Becomes Her, Contact, Back to the Future II & III and Cast Away. He was also some sort of producer on the Tales from the Crypt tv show if memory serves me right.

I've always wondered why Zemeckis was so fascinated with motion capture animation. The technique is pretty cool, but the results are almost always horrible. I honestly don't see the appeal. And this film bombing hard at the box office comes as no surprise. I doubt anyone was expecting this to go well. Butt-ugly zombies being taken away by aliens. What... a brilliant premise.

wow...it's basically this movie. boy goes to outer space to save parents...

Mason_Ireton · Post by **Mason_Ireton** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:02 pm

No way he did Forest Gump and Cast Away?? wow. Why do I have a different director in mind for those films??? not Speliberg.

TheValentineBros · Post by **TheValentineBros** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:44 am

disneyboy20022 wrote:

Wait, Jimmy Neutron? MNM stole the plot from Neutron? No way!

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:20 am

Kind of funny if you think about it that the cheap film made on a computer program you can buy at any Best Buy is the one that turns out the most visually appealing (released ten years ago, no less), is the bigger success, is more critically acclaimed and gets the Oscar nomination. Shows it's not necessarily how much money you spend, it's making your film the more visually appealing and getting the story and jokes to work just right that captures the audience's attention. Despicable Me, which was also very cheap to make, used the same logic.

FYI, I found Jimmy Neutron to be charming and quite decent. Wasn't fond of the television series, though.

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